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    Sounds very fishy that superdeluxe. I'd def. hold out for a Twenty if at all possible. Almost none of the old skool folders compare in all the ways that matter. Maybe you can post a picture of this "SuperDeluxe".... I nver heard of it but who knows maybe Raleigh did market the Twenty under this name.. but i doubt it,.. are the dropouts kinda shaped like a diamond? I think almost al Twenty versions had this unusual drop out style. Also how does the folding mechanism look, this is pretty crucial.
    http://www.rhizomes.nl/twenty.html
    My Tweaked and modded Raleigh Twenty. Lots of pictures and lots of general info on for example a different & Cheap Bottom Bracket solution as well as fork solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killsurfcity
    so the bike i found near me, is called a "superdeluxe". it looks pretty generic... i looked, but couldn't find any other brand name. the guy at the shop was asking $75. seemed kinda steep for me for a no-name bike. anyone know this brand? it looks almost exactly like a raleigh twenty. if i can't find any info on it, i think i'll just hold out for something better.

    by the way, anyone know the other names that raleigh 20"s were sold under?
    I think they were sold under the BSA and brand name and maybe others. Raleigh bought or merged with several companies in the '60s and continused to sell under the old names for a while: Humber, Rudge, BSA, Carlton, Triumph, Hercules, Phillips, Sun, and Norman.

    The main thing that separates the 20 from other folders of that era is the hinge. If the hinge mating surface is horizontal it's probably a Raleigh product. If the hinge surface is vertical it's something else.

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    This page from 1970 should give some idea of some of the variations in spec and naming for essentially the same bike.
    Also look for Raleigh Bianca, Stowaway or Stow Away models.


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    Quote Originally Posted by v1nce
    Sounds very fishy that superdeluxe. I'd def. hold out for a Twenty if at all possible. Almost none of the old skool folders compare in all the ways that matter. Maybe you can post a picture of this "SuperDeluxe".... I nver heard of it but who knows maybe Raleigh did market the Twenty under this name.. but i doubt it,.. are the dropouts kinda shaped like a diamond? I think almost al Twenty versions had this unusual drop out style. Also how does the folding mechanism look, this is pretty crucial.
    based on what littlepixel posted, it is definitely not a raleigh, as it has a vertical folding mechanism (thanks for the info LP).
    i'm not going to risk this. it'd suck to end up banging my head against a wall to get components for what is ultimately an inferior product.

    thanks for the help guys!

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    Yeh odd how on that chart not a single model sports the hinge. Is that artistic license or...? Quite a bewildering variety of Twenties too, some of them seem to even have a slighty different geometry. It is quite interesting to check the British E-Bay. Quite a few affordable twenties at times.
    http://www.rhizomes.nl/twenty.html
    My Tweaked and modded Raleigh Twenty. Lots of pictures and lots of general info on for example a different & Cheap Bottom Bracket solution as well as fork solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1nce
    Yeh odd how on that chart not a single model sports the hinge. Is that artistic license or...? Quite a bewildering variety of Twenties too, some of them seem to even have a slighty different geometry. It is quite interesting to check the British E-Bay. Quite a few affordable twenties at times.
    Yeah, that's really odd... I wonder why they did it like that...
    I keep my ebay searches open to worldwide for that reason... sometimes i'll take a beating on shipping to get what i'm looking for, but whatever.

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    From http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hadland/twenty.htm :

    "A folding version of the Twenty, using the old Moulton model name 'Stowaway', was introduced in 1971. However, the vast majority of R20s were non-folding models. Unlike the parallel and largely simultaneous Continental small-wheeler boom, which was dominated by mediocre folding bicycles, the British small-wheeler boom saw folding and separable bikes taking only a small share of the small-wheeler market. "

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