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    A Giant Confusion?

    I have a Giant Halfway RS and find it a delight to ride. However, I sometimes wonder about Giant's strategy on folding bikes. Depending on which of their websites you visit, you get a very different offering. For example:

    http://www.giant-bicycle.com/ch/030.....asp?range=130 [*]New Zealand - just the 7-speed monofork hardtail http://www.giant-bicycle.com/au/030....asp?model=9965 [*]Japan - the best selection of all, with some I've never seen before
    http://www.giant.co.jp/2005/index2.html

    Strange.

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    Hey Shilun! Additionally, Canada, a market about 10% the size of the USA but equally as wealthy, only gets the standard Halfway, sans RS and none of the funkiness seen elsewhere.
    http://www.giant-bicycles.com/cn/030...30.000.000.asp

    Giant-Japan's "MR" series is intriguing! Full suspension too.
    Based on my limited knowledge running a small company, I'd suggest Giant projected small enough sales figures of their specialty bikes that it wasn't worth their time and effort to offer them in certain countries.

    Sadly, I tend to agree regarding Canada. People here "don't get" - at least on high end folders.

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    BIG CONFUSION. BIG.

    The second largest Japanese population (right behind Tokio) is actually OUTSIDE Japan. It's in São Paulo, Brazil. Giant doesn't even have an official site in Portuguese for Brazilians, just a local distributor in Brazil. Guess Where? São Paulo.

    Trying to find other Halfway RS owners, I contacted some friends from Brazil (Rio and São Paulo as well) and asked if they heard of the RS. Nobody ever heard of it, just the regular Silver Halfway, which is not popular at all. On the other hand, the MR20 Lite is quite popular down there. They pay over 2500 dollars to get them from Japan!!

    A folding bike is quite a match for the two big cities in Brazil that I mentioned (Rio and São Paulo). With over 6 million people each and a nice public transportation system (integrated bus/train/subway/vans and even boats), avoiding using your car is more than an ecological choice, it's actually an advantage. Dahon is with a full site in Portuguese and as far as I know, most bike shops are now advertising and selling Dahons (Being "Gothan City" and boardwalk their top sellers). There is a Brazilian folder that is gaining some space down there as well:







    The message boards in Portuguese (inside www.orkut.com) already have Dahon communities and folding groups. BUT WHERE IS GIANT? over 170 million people, SEVERAL states bike friendly and Folders gaining space and nothing from Giant.

    Here is a picture of Rio. You can see, between the sand and the asfalt, a nice "cicleway" (that's what we call it there, so please forgive my poor translation) that is AT LEAST 100Km. (you can see 3 red areas of the pavement next to intersections). People actually use it to commute to work (as well as for fun) every day.







    I'll be there in December and I can tell you I will be the only one riding a Giant. If I am lucky I'll spot a MR in São Paulo.

    What's wrong with Giant? What about accessories to the halfway? If I win the lottery I will definately go to Japan for the Tokyo Bike show 2005 (november 3rd) to check their foldings. I am pretty sure the MR20 Lite will be there, tempting me. But does Giant deserve my money again?

    Rafael Guerra

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    Rafael, your analysis is right.

    The problem is, the top 4 (C'dale, Giant, Specialized, Trek) are too busy making money elsewhere.

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    And look what I found:

    http://www.worldbike.info/2005/folding.html

    The official Giant site don't list them in this country, but you can find the bikes in a LBS.

    Go figure.

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    Rafael
    Nice find I would like to get hold of a Halfway RS I might have to visit Thailand !

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    Mr Folding,

    Where are you at? If you are in the US, all you need is a contact in the military. You can get your Halfway RS out of Japan for almost the same price as if you were there (I actually had someone ready to buy mine for original price + US$50.00).

    I was a little disappointed with Giant's Customer service, but the LBS + Giant's Marketing Department made me change my mind with time. I am really happy now and not planning on trading my bike (as I were I while back).

    Good luck on your search. Halfways are Amazing little things. I still don't know if I like the 7s or the rs the most.

    Rafael Guerra

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    Rafael
    I live in Australia and have had a good look at the standard 7 speed Halfway. I think eventually that`s what I will buy. Also am keen on a Dahon speed D7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Folding
    Rafael
    I live in Australia and have had a good look at the standard 7 speed Halfway. I think eventually that`s what I will buy. Also am keen on a Dahon speed D7.
    I run a Halfway RS, but I've been thinking lately that perhaps the standard 7 speed plus a thudbuster seatpost might offer the same level of comfort at a reduced weight and with a better fold. Pricewise, there's probably not much in it either. Since Rafael has one of each (RS & Standard), I guess he's the best person to comment on this idea.

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    Here's a Craigslist Link for a newish Giant Halfway. Price looks nice. Also for the retro folder fans there is a 3sp Sturmey Peugeot for $80. Craigslist has quite a few folders this week. Here's a new Dahon Speed TR with SRAM DualDrive. Even a Breezer with 7spd hub gear.

    Bruce
    Last edited by BruceMetras; 11-09-05 at 09:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shilun
    I run a Halfway RS, but I've been thinking lately that perhaps the standard 7 speed plus a thudbuster seatpost might offer the same level of comfort at a reduced weight and with a better fold. Pricewise, there's probably not much in it either. Since Rafael has one of each (RS & Standard), I guess he's the best person to comment on this idea.
    There is a significant difference between the level of confort between standard 7S and the RS. I am actually in the market for some seatpost for the 7S (I felt really bad when my girlfriend and I switched bikes for a weekend). I don't have a personal experience with the thudbuster seatpost, but I read good things about it, specially for hard tail bikes. Not sure if this will help with anybody's decision, but here is my perception of these two bikes:

    Giant Halfway 7S:

    - Better fold. I can't imagine a place where the 7S woud fit and the RS would not, but it DOES look a lot better and makes it a little easier to carry than the rear suspension;

    - significantly lighter than the Rear Suspension;

    -it's a "real" Halfway. You can replace tires both front and rear without the need to remove the wheel. For serious touring that is priceless.

    Giant Halfway RS:

    -better ride on bumpy terrains. I am not sure if a cushioned seatpost can make a 7S as confortable as the RS. (I'll get back to it in a week or so).

    -More options to customize. You can change the chainring, you can upgrade the rear hub, you can play with gear numbers, you can add a stronger rear rack, etc...

    Basically, the Giant Halfway 7S is PERFECT as a city bike and urban touring. The frame, the cantilever technology, the size when folded, the (included) bag, everything is right on. Now it is undergeared and hard to upgrade (even a larger chainring wouldn'd fit).

    For me, the perfect bike would be a RS with cantilever rear wheel to make life easy when you get flats and more gear options. Giant replaced the RS with the MR 20 (and MR 20 lite), but according to Shilun, it does not fold nicely (apparently it looks like it deserved an extra fold or something)

    Time to go. See if I can get good clients at work today to "sponsor" the thudbuster seatpost, Sram dual drive and some other stuff. If I can get the extra money I may upgrade everything even before my trip.

    Rafael

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceMetras
    Here's a Craigslist Link for a newish Giant Halfway. Price looks nice. Also for the retro folder fans there is a 3sp Sturmey Peugeot for $80. Craigslist has quite a few folders this week. Here's a new Dahon Speed TR with SRAM DualDrive. Even a Breezer with 7spd hub gear.

    Bruce
    I was curious, but the Peugeot link doesn't work. I think Breezer has discontinued the i7, it's not listed on their web site anymore, just the i3 and the itzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    I was curious, but the Peugeot link doesn't work. I think Breezer has discontinued the i7, it's not listed on their web site anymore, just the i3 and the itzy.
    Looks like the Peugeot got relisted with a $5 price drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shilun
    I run a Halfway RS, but I've been thinking lately that perhaps the standard 7 speed plus a thudbuster seatpost might offer the same level of comfort at a reduced weight and with a better fold.
    I contacted the manufacturer of Thudbuster. There is no way to fit their tubes into the Giant's seatpost size.

    Is there any other method of seat cushion out there?

    Rafael

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Guerra
    I contacted the manufacturer of Thudbuster. There is no way to fit their tubes into the Giant's seatpost size.

    Is there any other method of seat cushion out there?

    Rafael

    Brooks with springs?

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    Yep. I think that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Guerra
    Yep. I think that's about it.
    From: http://www.thudbuster.com/products.html

    Does your bike require an unusual size seatpost? Or, maybe you want to use one Thudbuster on two different bikes. Our extensive stock of custom shims will help you fit a Thudbuster to nearly any bike made.

    * CNC-machined aluminum
    * Choice of 2 different inside diameters
    * Choice of 24 different outside diameters

    Surely there must be some way of fitting it to a Halfway?

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    Halfways come with a 28.6mm, 25 inches long.

    The only long tubes they make is for the Dahons, 34.0mm. They do have the 28.6, but they cannot make it long enough. There is still hope. I am trying to reach one specific person at Thudbuster that may be able to put something together for me (his name is Doug, in case you are interested).

    As soon as I find out, I'll let you guys know.

    Rafael

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Guerra
    For me, the perfect bike would be a RS with cantilever rear wheel to make life easy when you get flats and more gear options. Giant replaced the RS with the MR 20 (and MR 20 lite), but according to Shilun, it does not fold nicely (apparently it looks like it deserved an extra fold or something)
    Rafael
    It looks like this. What do you think?

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    You are correct. It should have another fold. I would buy it if it could be something like this:

    Maybe one day...
    Last edited by 14R; 11-12-05 at 09:43 AM.

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