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    Something has happened to Raleigh 20 folders.

    At lunchtime I went to lbs to buy a new blinkie. Out front are a pair of 20s. I think cute, his and hers. I look em over. They are in decent shape, but are both missing the chainguards. I look at the price.

    $275cdn each.

    I think Holy C he is out of his mind. When I get back to my desk, I search eBay. There is a good one with a bin of $325us.

    I paid $35 for mine a year ago.

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    i was in victoria not long ago and i saw a raleigh twenty in the window of a trendy, vintage clothing store. we folding bike riders are obviously on the cutting edge of the next big thing.

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    That is just insane! I swear if i could figure out a a way to buy 10 to 20 twenties in UK and ship them to US i could make 5 tot 10 times on my investment...! Still, i think it sad that a bike that was once for the plebs is now touted as retrocool and demands such prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by v1nce
    That is just insane! I swear if i could figure out a a way to buy 10 to 20 twenties in UK and ship them to US i could make 5 tot 10 times on my investment...
    I know - they barely fetch more than about 30 ($55 USD) here; They are still ridden mainly by older ladies. I am rare in being a male rider. I did have a second one I bought for a part it turned out I needed and when selling it on eBay I made a 10 profit for doing nothing so maybe they are starting to get more precious here too. Or maybe there was just a blip of fair-weather buyers trying to avoid public transport after the much exaggerated bombings here in july.

    Quote Originally Posted by v1nce
    Still, i think it sad that a bike that was once for the plebs is now touted as retrocool and demands such prices.
    Sad in some ways but cool in others; we probably are contributing to this by showing off how cool they still are, though I doubt they'll ever reach true retrocool status here.

    So how many do you think would fit in shipping container?
    We need a man in NY!

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    Hmm well tons would fit in the shipping container! (twist handlebar stack and fill in gaps with folded ones/frames only). As for a man in NY i am sure that could be arranged. But i am guessing containers they would cost heaps and wipe out the profits... i am not really at home in this type of thing.

    It would be nice to make a little money but still offer them in Us at affordable prices rather than premium....

    I could envisionon A Twenty NY Terror Critical mass crew!
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    the problem will be storage when they arrive. I would offer to receive them, but where would I put them while trying to sell? i could truck them to my place in PA, but then I gotta get 'em back here, etc. etc. etc. worth some thought, though.

    In fact, I am buying a place that may have substantial storage in the near future. the cogs are definitely turning.

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    Hmm, sounds cool. Would be nice to see people appreciating and pimping them. I am i outta the loop/no longer a cog ha ha?

    I do think that if you put them on-line and you live in NY of course it would takes some weeks but you could sell them pretty quick. You'd need a good E-bay add with pictures and links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_is_me
    i was in victoria not long ago and i saw a raleigh twenty in the window of a trendy, vintage clothing store. we folding bike riders are obviously on the cutting edge of the next big thing.
    I have seen that. I believe 600 block of Johnson, across from Market square. Very high rent area.

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    Perhaps boardwalk S1's will be next.

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    I recently paid US$150 for a Raleigh 20 listed on craigslist, the original asking price had been US$200, and he had already sold the first of the matching pair he originally had a week or two before. The bikes had been brought down to Portland from the Vancouver BC area, it's a 1975 model folder. I paid US$125 for a Raleigh RSW 16 a couple years ago. I think prices are higher in Portland because cycling is so popular here. Still, retail shops and resellers are going to be asking more, if you find one at a yard sale, you can probably still get it for cheap.

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    There is a Brazilian Bike Manufacturer called Caloi (it actually made all the way up to Jacksonville Florida, but I don't think it is popular anywhere else).

    In the early 80 they came up with a nice BMX bike called "Caloicross Original". You could buy one for aprox. US$80.00 back then (which was quite expensive).

    Time went by and in the late 90s someone X-rayed and tested one of the "Caloicross Original" frame and they found out that was the best BMS frame available in the market. It was a FEVER and prices went up to the equivalent of US$400.00 for just the FRAME.

    I still don't know if it was a Marketing strategy (they didn't make new "original" bikes, so I guess not).

    Somehow this thread reminds me of those little bikes and the good times...

    Rafael Guerra

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    Ok, I'm getting chest pains now. I got outbid on ebay Australia for a working Raleigh 20 that needed a new seat. No postage was specified, so I only bid AU$30.59. Got outbid by $1. That's about US$22, plus whatever the postage was. I'll go back to my corner and weep now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    The bikes had been brought down to Portland from the Vancouver BC area, it's a 1975 model folder.
    that's it, i'm going to put in a grievance to NAFTA. you people are stealing our heritage... this blatant disregard for my culture must stop!!!

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    It's got a Maple Ridge Cycle Ltd., Haney BC sticker on it.

    So what did a Raleigh folder cost new through the years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James H Haury
    Perhaps boardwalk S1's will be next.
    I really hope not. I already tried used bikes at first (here in Southern California you can't locate them anywhere since people are buying them up so fast). The Boardwalk S1 that I purchased a while ago is now getting to be just as attractive to thieves as any super bling bike. Unless you go for department store bikes, a good bike no matter what age or make like the Raleigh Twenty becomes too attractive and another major headache for the serious cyclist rather than a bike collector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    So what did a Raleigh folder cost new through the years?
    1976 model: US$129.95
    http://retroraleighs.com/catalogs/19...76-prices.html

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    here's an ad that had them going for $255 and a variety of pounds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_is_me
    here's an ad that had them going for $255 and a variety of pounds...
    That's NZ$255.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expatriate
    Ok, I'm getting chest pains now. I got outbid on ebay Australia for a working Raleigh 20 that needed a new seat. No postage was specified, so I only bid AU$30.59. Got outbid by $1. That's about US$22, plus whatever the postage was. I'll go back to my corner and weep now.
    It's odd to quote myself, but I felt an update was in order. The bike was relisted, and I was the winning bidder at AU$31.89. I'll post photos when it arrives, and will be asking all sorts of questions as to what direction to take as far as restoring or modifying. I hope you guys will accept me in your playgroup.

    [edit] I deal with international containerized shipments every day. A 40ft container holds 120 boxed petrol mini-motorcycles, (the Christmas gift that wasn't) so you could theoretically fit 50 or so folders into a 20ft container. Cost is generally US$4k, but that may or may not include port fees, Customs inspections, and duties. Unless you can get them cheap and score a deal on a container (or share a container) it's probably not a profitable venture. PM me or ask here if you need any specifics.

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    @ Expatriatie, congrats on the 20. Welcome to the cult! You will have to take few vows (Retrogrouchiness, Omerta, Modmanic, Forum addict) and there is no way back no *Evil cackling laughter is heard*

    Anyways,.. i am sure we will all be delighted to answer any questions (and push our pet peeves and agendas) for the 20....... ;-)

    Thanks very much for the heads up on the containers, i figured it might be very hard to make any cash this way. It is actually very usefull info for me as i intend to emmigrate to NZ or OZ from the Netherlands and share a container with a friend (to transport our irreplacable goods) and i always wondered what it would cost. Any chance you could hook me up when the time comes? That would excellent.

    Cheers.
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    When my bike arrives, I'll post a few photos and then the questions will begin in earnest. I don't know if it's best to restore it, or keep it as stock looking as possible while upgrading it for usefullness. Or perhaps go all out and turn it into one of those stealth racers that so many of you seem to own. I'm open to suggestions.

    As far as a container, I can put you in touch with a company that handles overseas moves. We handle the transport/packing and railing of aluminium to customers all over the world - from a hole in the ground in Australia to your A/C unit, mobile phone, bike, window frames, and $1 million exotic cars. PM for info when you're ready to move.

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    I've kept mine original except for a few choice mods - better pedals, new Brooks seat, new tires and brake pads, overhauled the Sturmey hub, lowered the gear ratio by changing out the 15T sprocket for a 19T, planning on changing out the rims soon. I like the look and functionality of the fenders and chainguard so they are going to stay. I'm keeping the orig. BB, crank, front fork and headset for now too.

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    I'd like to keep the fenders and chainguard too, if possible. But the cranks/fork/stem/bars will probably get replaced at some point. I'll also be looking for suggestions regarding gears. Is the 3 speed sufficient?

    Here's the auction photo:



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    Nice - I think that's the nicest color.

    In case you haven't seen it: http://home.comcast.net/~cheg01/r20.html

    I've had 3, 6, and 18 gears on mine. Right now it has 6. Some think one is enough. The most important improvement is alloy wheels instead of steel. Higher pressure tires are also good. The rest is optional. Have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expatriate
    I deal with international containerized shipments every day. A 40ft container holds 120 boxed petrol mini-motorcycles, (the Christmas gift that wasn't) so you could theoretically fit 50 or so folders into a 20ft container. Cost is generally US$4k, but that may or may not include port fees, Customs inspections, and duties. Unless you can get them cheap and score a deal on a container (or share a container) it's probably not a profitable venture. PM me or ask here if you need any specifics.
    What do you suppose it would cost to ship a single R20 frame (just the frame sections and the hinge bolt) to the US?

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