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Old 02-13-06, 02:25 PM   #1
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Xootr Swift 1st impressions, questions

Hi all,

Thanks to comments read here, I just purchased, and received last week, A Swift folder. I've ridden it maybe 20 miles and can report I'm pretty satisfied, but don't have much to compare it to. No one around has anything to compare it to.

Out of the box, the headset was too tight, I fixed that easily. The quick release skewer (front wheel installation) was a very tight fit in the axle. I had to twist/thread it to get it through. The front wheel (sealed bearing seal) did squeek, but after about 10 miles it went away. It also was very quiet at higher speeds (15? or so, no speedo), which was an incentive to push harder. The rear chain/derailer is noisier than I like and I found that moving the wheel back required adjustment of the brakes. I moved the wheel back about 3/8 inch and I think (highly subjective) this position is quieter. Any ideas/ comments about getting this position to be as quiet as possible?

To do: change saddles, don't like the stock saddle, too wide (my thighs rub), too cushy, my sit bones aren't supported.
To investigate: 1) changing stem to longer one, possibly with a rise in it. 2) convert to single speed using spacers and single cog on stock hub (for now). 3) Bar ends. Have had straight bars on bikes before and really like bars ends. 4) Moustache bars? I have wanted to try M-bars and have one in the garage, so maybe on the Swift. 5) Changing tires? A friend recommended hostelshoppe.com and they do list a large number of 406 mm tires. 6) suspension seat post.

comments, advice, welcome, thanks, John.

PS. do folks use the read confirmation feature when sending a message to another list member? Is it generally used or generally not used, or varies from person to person?
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Old 02-13-06, 02:42 PM   #2
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John- Welcome to the forum! Now did you buy a Xootr from Xootr or a Swift from Peter? Similar animals but could be very specs of tune. That would help a lot.

My wheels never squeaked and I have a rear internal hub. I also have ridden several Xootr version of the Swift and never heard any squeaking. Maybe the lube wasn't totally distributed in the hubs? What kind of temps where you live?

As for tires, what tires are you looking for? Be specific in do you want fast, cushy, fast and cushy, etc. For absolute speed, buy the Schwalbe Stelvios. If you want fast and cushy, buy (in this order) Schwalbe Big Apples(and air them to the upper range), Tioga Comp Pools, Schwalbe Marathon Slicks and Schwalbe Marathons. If you want VERY cushy ride buy the Schwalbe Big Apples and run them at about 2-2.5 bar (30-40psi). Downright plush in my book. Any Dahon dealer will have the Schwalbe brand. If you can't find them let me know and I'll list a few dealers.

You can get longer seat stems and handlebar stems from Xootr. Single speed take a look in the Swift thread. They Psyco (sp?) store in Canada has a lot of single speed stuff and nice carbon fiber bar ends that I ordered for my Swift. Did you get my reply regarding the Thudbuster to your PM? As for saddles, you have so many options it is crazy. I am finally starting to love my Brooks but it takes a while to break in. It isn't too wide but give me good support.

All in all the Swift/Xootr is a swift bike (pun intended). It is pretty fast out of the box. Get some good tires on it and you will be very impressed.
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Hi John,

I don't know that much about (Xootr) Swifts, but I am sure 'Waveshrdr', 'Stargazer' and other 'SWIFTAHOLICS' will drop a note on this thread.

Welcome to the forum !

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Hi John,

I don't know that much about (Xootr) Swifts, but I am sure 'Waveshrdr', 'Stargazer' and other 'SWIFTAHOLICS' will drop a note on this thread.

Welcome to the forum !

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OKay, Waveshrdr was just ahead of me ! Good !
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thanks Waveshrdr and Tomaso. I bought a Xootr Swift. I mentioned the front squeek because it was covered in a faq I read either online or in the little book that came with the bike. It's the seals on the sealed bearings. I got your PM about the Dahon seat post (Waveshrdr), thanks. I have several saddles I like and will do some swapping and testing. I'm close to buying a Brooks with springs to try out. I have a Brooks pro on a fixed gear bike of mine and love it and the bike. tires? no real complaints just yet, but feel the stock Kendas at 80 psi are slower than I'm used to on my commuter bike (26x1.5 specialized armadillos, pumped to 80psi). I should put 100 psi in them and see how they handle and ride. But thanks for the post, I'll save the info. I have been reading the old Swift posts, that's a large part of the reason I bought the bike! I was very interested in trying one once I read the good comments.
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johnfhess,
Congrats on your new bike! I am jealous! You can't get much better info than what Wavshrdr gave you...he's the best. As far as the rear chain/derailler noise, are the hi and low limit stops adjusted correctly (I'm assuming you already futzed with the microadjustment)? I don't own a Swift (but plan to) but I had to do fiddle quite a bit with the deraillerr adjustment on my bike to get a nice, quiet ride.
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I test road one. Only complaint was that steering seemed a little twitchy. I think it was the very narrow flat bars. Otherwise, I thought it was a pretty cool ride.
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Old 02-14-06, 12:32 PM   #8
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Hi John:

I own a Dahon Vietesse D5 in addition to my Xootr Swift. By comparison, my Dahon is a very different ride, particularly in frame and handlebar rigidity. With all the extra joints in the Dahon in the frame and handlebar assembly, the bike just isn't designed to put a whole heckofa lot of force into it. My favorite comparison is in uphill out-of-the-saddle sprints: on my Swift, no problem...I can thrash-away on the bike and it responds with clean, forward motion. On the Dahon, let's just say that I think it's much safer to stay seated and use the low gears. Overall, the Dahon just isn;t as serious a bike as the Swift (I've also test-ridden a Helios 8, which was even more flexy than my Vitesse). For bopping-around town, my Dahon is fine. When I wanna get serious on city streets, it's the Swift.

BTW: I received the single-speed wheel from Peter yesterday. It's basically the same stock Quando freehub wheel, only with a solid axle swapped-in, and a Shimano BMX cog with what looks to be 2 custom aluminum spacers (15mm/16mm) and a lockring. I threw the wheel on for measure, and found that the spacers weren't machined perfectly flat, which held the cog in a slightly crooked angle to the chainwheel. When you spin the wheel, the cog follows this funny crooked wobbly line. Also, the chainline was off by about 3mm inboard. It wasn't really a big deal, as I was going to toss those parts anyway for the cog/spacer kit I bought from Endlessbikes.

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