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    Calling Raleigh 20 weight weenies

    So, I've stripped down and removed stuff, swapped some parts here and there, but basically I don't care what my Raleigh 20 weighs since it's a fun ride around town.

    But today I was pushing it up the stairs and gawd, it felt heavy. I put it on the scale----31.4 pounds!! Is it just the S-A hub that does it?

    What have you all you guys with the modded out frames managed to get your 20 down to? I know a weight weenie Twenty rider is an oxymoron, but I can't help but be curious....
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    I've never managed to weigh mine but it's definitely a lot lighter as a fixie than with the sram 7 hub. Things I did to help the diet:

    1) Ground off the kickstand
    2) Ground off the pump fixings on the seat tube
    3) Ground off the chainguard angle bracket
    (all with a dremel. Took a bit too long)

    4) Fitted carbon seatpost and lightweight saddle
    5) Lightweight alloy bars and stem; originally I had an adjustable Kalloy stem but this weighed a ton.
    6) Took off rear brake, mudguards (Summer) and rack

    Sadly the susp forks added to the weight. I'd love something better but carbon bmx ones are supposedly pretty fragile and I like having a bit of bounce up front.

    Folding Stelvio tyres save a bit of weight too, as would some carbon cranks and eggbeater pedals...

    But as they say - no matter how fast you make a pig go- it's still only a fast pig and not a greyhound...

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    My Raleigh is around 31lbs too, but there is a guy, Bill Milam, on fixedgeargallery who's fixed gear twenty weighs a reported 25lbs. I have thought of trying to get it under 30lbs, but decided that it's not worth the money it would cost me. I enjoy my dual 3x7 drive too much to part with it, as well,
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    Quote Originally Posted by juan162
    My Raleigh is around 31lbs too, but there is a guy, Bill Milam, on fixedgeargallery who's fixed gear twenty weighs a reported 25lbs. I have thought of trying to get it under 30lbs, but decided that it's not worth the money it would cost me. I enjoy my dual 3x7 drive too much to part with it, as well,
    juan162
    I looked at FGG and I found a twenty here who claims a weight of 22 pounds!

    Fixed Twenty
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    Hey - I'm the guy on fixed gear gallery with the "25 lb" fixie - except it weighed 22 pounds as a fixie.

    Hi guys - Bill Milam here. Like many of you - I ground off all the unused metal bits on the frame - including the kickstand mount (lots of work).

    But a couple of things that helped lower my bike weight were - custom built fork, super light Roox seatpost, extra light weight handlebars, and the regular alloy bits. The only thing used from the original bike was the two frame pieces and the seatpost clamp.

    I used the word "weighed" in past tense since it has now morphed into my city folder with a Sturmey Archer alloy ELITE 5-speed rear hub with drum brake and now sports Nitto B-115 bars and dual brake levers. The Brooks Pro saddle has been also switched out for a Honey Brooks Flier. Fenders are added as conditons warrant.

    I still have a small wheel folding (err - take apart) fixed gear bike - an old Sears ToteCycle - that actaully has better geometry and a more stable ride than the Raleigh Twenty. Also an early model Dawes Newpin (Kingpin folder) is on its way to my home and that one may become the "folding fixied de jour".

    My Raleigh Twenty and the custom fork running 406 tires (Primo Comets 1.75") put the bottm brackete height at just under 10 inches and I ended up scraping the pedals at least once per ride eerie on a fixie. I rode this bike as a fixie for over two years and loved it. I like even better now as a multi-gear city bike.

    Thanks for mentioning my Twenty Fixed gear.

    ... Bill Milam

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    Does it still have the "Tariq device"? How it holding up?

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    The "Tarik" device - Yes it is still there. Tarik Saleh has a Twenty with the same fork that I have and he used a piece of PVC pipe to use as a threadless headset spacer - I copied this - hence the "Tarik" device.

    I just painted the PVC an aluminum silver color to make it look like an alloy rather than white plastic.

    And yes - the PVC has been doing its job nicely for over two years - no probs. But someday - I would like to replace it with a proper bit of aluminum tubing.

    ...Bill Milam

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblecyclist
    Hey - I'm the guy on fixed gear gallery with the "25 lb" fixie - except it weighed 22 pounds as a fixie.
    Hi Bill,

    Sorry for the misrepresentation on the weight. I'm curious tho'...how much does it weigh with the 5 speed hub?

    BTW, although I looked at many Raleigh Twenties before deciding to get one of my own, your Twenty is probably the one that pushed me over the edge to get one for myself...cool bike.

    juan162

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    Juan162 - thanks for the kind comments on my Twenty. As you know converting a Twenty is a LOT of work and it is always a sort of "payback" when someone makes a positive comment on your build.

    Weigh with the SA Elite 5-speed hub - haven't weighed it yet. Amazing - I haven't weighed this bike....DUH. I just bought a Samsonite Oyster suitcase at the Goodwill store ($4) and have the bike disassembled to fit it into the luggage. I'm out of town for the next week - but as soon as I get back, reassemble it - I'm gonna weigh it and report back to you. Amazing - when I built it up as a fixie I was sooo curious about the weight - but once I converted it over to my city bike - I did not put a high priority on weight.

    The Twenty will be accompanying me on a couple of business trips this Spring and Summer - hence the luggage test-fit. Until the test-fit, the Twenty lived in the back on my '91 Honda Civic hatchback - always ready for an impromptu ride. I've sold the Honda about three weeks ago and haven't replaced the car yet -so I do not have a way of carrying the bike with me everyday (I now carpool). Until I discovered this list about three weeks ago - I forgot just how much I like my Twenty and miss having it with me.

    Thanks,
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    You're amongst Twenty friends nay fanatics on this site. Love your bike! Welcome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by humblecyclist
    Juan162 - thanks for the kind comments on my Twenty.

    I'm out of town for the next week - but as soon as I get back, reassemble it - I'm gonna weigh it and report back to you.

    Thanks,
    ...Bill
    Bill,

    The compliments are well deserved, and I will await your report on its weight. I'm curious because I am going into stage 2 of my twenty build and am curious to see what I can expect if I start to cut weight, but keep my internal gear hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblecyclist
    Hey - I'm ...... warrant.

    I still have a small wheel folding (err - take apart) fixed gear bike - an old Sears ToteCycle - that actaully has better geometry and a more stable ride than the Raleigh Twenty. Also an early model Dawes Newpin (Kingpin folder) is on its way to my home and that one may become the "folding fixied de jour".

    My ........ city bike.

    Thanks for mentioning my Twenty Fixed gear.

    ... Bill Milam
    BETTER geometry you Say?!! More stable ride than the Twenty is it?! Pah!

    Prove it! I need pictures!!
    http://www.rhizomes.nl/twenty.html
    My Tweaked and modded Raleigh Twenty. Lots of pictures and lots of general info on for example a different & Cheap Bottom Bracket solution as well as fork solution.

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    Hi All,

    My Twenty, Goldie (check the Sig), is about 26 lbs of pure fun!
    It sounds a bit heavy compared to my 22 lbs Brompton, but compared to my other hack bike, a 31 lbs MTB, it's svelte! But for the price, it's worth it's weight in gold!
    Though, that weight is likely to rise as I intend to put both mudguards and a rack on it, sometime...

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    I just declared spring and took off my rear mudguard! I sanded off the rest of the black powdercoat on the rear rim too and it looks sweet!....

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    Vince - this link is to my Sear's ToteCycle.

    http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2004/f/milam.htm

    I have it set up as a fixed gear grocery hauler bike. You really can't tell anything about the ride from the photo - but one design feature that does standout versus the Twenty is the longer chain stays (forget that they are curved) which yields a much longer wheel base. I think the longer wheelbase reduces the "skittish" or "squirrly" ride that others sometimes report when they ride a Twenty (note: we Twenty owners just call it "quick steering"). It also has a longer effective top tube as compared to the Twenty and I can comfortable stretch out a bit more.

    The Sear's ToteCycle is a strange beast - terrible build quality compared to Twenty - but it's ride quality is smooth and predicitable and I can ride it "no handed" quite easily. I bought the bike for cheap and had fairly "low" expectations of it - and was blown away by the ride and the simple but solid joint (the bike dis-assembles into TWO pieces rather than folding).

    I see these ToteCycles occasionally go for low $$ on eBay (<$50).

    I'll have to take more photos of it and post them.

    Thanks,
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    Ah, yes i had seen that bike in FGG before. I does look long and hence comfy, maybe a nice break away tourer?

    However it also looks like it weighs a tonne (does it?) and some parts (dropouts/the back end) don't look all that hot i terms of finishing/joining, plus the downside of that huge headtube is that sourcing a new fork is probably even more hellish than for a 20.. But i am biased, i have never ridden that bike and i do like the quick steering of the 20 (i can cycle no handed no problem, since i have a new fork/headset) and like that it's wheelbase very much: it is long enough to be comfy yet short enough to make a compact package. What also really helps is that i have a real long adjustable steerer tube (can't think of the proper name right now ha ha) so i can stretch upward and forward enough.

    Say, could you do me a big favor and give me the axle to axle (wheelbase) distance of that bike, i'd be most interested! Thx.
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    Question was raised about the wheelbase of the Sears ToteCycle. I just measured the wheelbase at 43.25 inches and that is with the rear wheel at the front of the dropouts. The distance from the center of BB to the rear axle center as it sits now is 18.75 inches.

    This baby is way stetched out. It has a longer wheelbase and chainstay length than my Trek 520 or my son's Surly Long Haul Trucker - and both of these are long wheelbase touring bikes.

    The rear dropouts look like cheap poor quality welds against cheap flattened mild steel tubes. If I were to get a wild-hair about doing any distance riding on this bike - I would definitely get one of my friends to "reinforce" the dropouts.

    Without the basket - it weighs just under 27 pounds as a fixed gear- not too bad for an early 60's "gas-pipe" frame with built in luggage rack and steel long rise stem.

    I don't see why college campus aren't just littered with these old small wheel folders. Most kids on campus only have short distances to ride and must manueuver through the crowds at class change time. These old folders are cheap, heavy duty, and have already stood the test of time by just being in rideable condition after 35-40 years of use.

    ...Bill Milam

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    27 pounds ain't bad at all!

    It is stretched indeed, that is one looong wheelbase, pretty cool. It sortoff looks like a lowrider or chopper bike because of that long chain and such.

    However it is the first of it's kind i have ever seen. Are you sure there is a lot about?
    Maybe Sears sold them for only a year or two? Cool ride though, like nothing else, sometimes it reminds me a little of a Moulton.
    http://www.rhizomes.nl/twenty.html
    My Tweaked and modded Raleigh Twenty. Lots of pictures and lots of general info on for example a different & Cheap Bottom Bracket solution as well as fork solution.

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    I wonder who built those bikes for Sears? They were almost definitely contracted out, that was Sears' favorite MO.

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