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    What is a Raleigh 20 worth besides what I am wiling to pay for it?

    Hi,

    I recently found a Raleigh 20 that is in very good condition. It has brand new Schwalbe Marathons on it and appears to ride quite well. What is this bike realistically worth? From what I can see it needs nothing and only has a few nicks in the paint that are quite minor. It rides well.

    Anything I should inspect more carefully that might be problem areas?

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    Since you said it rides well twice, I assume you liked the ride. Check the threads on this forum, I think you'll see that average US west coast prices are in the $75 to $200 range for a Raleigh 20 in good condition. Is it all original, or have the wheels already been replaced?

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    I "followed" several Twenties on Ebay, making low bids of my own, before finally getting one for about $130 plus shipping. Not long after that, I saw one that was apparently in similar condition go for $80. I also saw one that looked to be in great condition go for well over $200.

    Beside the wheels, two things that most enthusiasts seem to upgrade are the headset and bottom bracket. Having read your posts on other subjects, I suspect you're well aware of this already, but if they've already been replaced, that would certainly increase the value.

    I look forward to your future posts on what you do with this bike.
    You're right, I do have more bikes than I need.

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    The bike looks virtually new with new tires. The rims look original with only minor pitting. The guy was asking $150 for it. All the chrome looks in good shape. Out of 10 being perfect I would give it a 8.5. BB seems tight but I have heard that it isn't finding replacments. Maybe I misunderstood that last part when I read it but it seems they are very unique and sort of hard to source. If I am wrong I am sure someone will let me know.

    Thanks for the input.

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    DaFriMon - It could be a cool project bike. Problem is I don't know if really have time for another project bike. Since we still have snow here (hopefully gone by this weekend) I can't really keep anything on my front porch. As it is my garage is filled with bikes hanging from the rafters and on the walls. Bikes are now occupying space in the living room and front hall.

    My sons have now taking to keeping "their" folders in their rooms. Heaven forbid their sister my try and latch on to one of their favorites. On the plus side one Brompton is gone and the other is listed for sale on eBay. Next will be my Dahon Gotham City. Once spring is here and I can work outside I can re-arrange things to make room for and as I sell off a few bikes that will help too. I'll probably sell my last 2 Dahons in a week or so too.

    However at the moment I don't know where I would put the thing but it truly is in very good shape so I'd hate to let it slip away especially with $50 in new tires and tubes on it. I rode v1nce's while in Europe earlier this month it was a pretty fun ride.

    I'll probably buy it when I go back to look at it tonight. It was well maintained from the looks of it. Any idea what a BB would cost to replace on it?

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    I paid $145 for mine, the seller was originally asking $175.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    Any idea what a BB would cost to replace on it?
    V1nce and/or Little Pixel have info on BB options on their web sites. I think the high end of a BB replacement is the Phil Woods option; Sheldon Brown / Harris Cycles sells the Phil BB for around $100, cranks and chain ring extra; other options are less expensive.

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    Thanks! That gives me an idea of what I could end up sinking into it.

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    V1nce has the low cost dutch option for new a bb on his site; I went the 'spensive Sheldon Brown recommended Phil Wood/Shimano UN72 option which though good cost as much as the bike. So for now though I'd say if it aint broke don't fix it!

    The nylon 'bearing' at the top of the headset is a typical 70's UK 'el cheapo' solution and may show signs of aging but if it works it works. If it's as good as you say it's probably only ever done a few miles and is probably fine for several more.

    My frame cost me £75 GBP though I've since bought and sold a better one for £30 so it's a very fluid ebay market here not that is much use to you over there. I really wish I could work out a way to export a few - it seems you're all crying out for them and there are so many for sale here it's mad.

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    Well I may be in the UK in about a month so I may hold off and look while I am there. It looks like it could be quite an interesting project. I could go somewhat crazy with it and put in a Schlumpf and an 8spd Nexus. It wouldn't attract much attention but would be a blast to ride. Main thing I noticed of the ones I've ridden is that they don't have much weight on the front wheel when I rode them so I had to be careful I didn't wheelie over backwards if pushing hard on the pedals. Definitely a fun bike though. Thanks for the info.

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    LittlePixel, there have been some old and rusty Raleigh folders for sale nearby, but apparently they have a vertical split rather than the horizontal flanges. I had not bothered to look at them as they sounded a bit rough. Where does this model fit in the range. I am curious about peoples love for the Twenty, how do you compare the original and the modified ones with the modern bikes.

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    Twenty

    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    Well I may be in the UK in about a month so I may hold off and look while I am there.
    If eBay auctions are too much it's well worth looking in a local paper - or the national small ad rags "Exchange and Mart" and "Loot"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    It looks like it could be quite an interesting project. I could go somewhat crazy with it and put in a Schlumpf and an 8spd Nexus.
    That would be a nice stealth bike... hehe

    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    Main thing I noticed of the ones I've ridden is that they don't have much weight on the front wheel when I rode them so I had to be careful I didn't wheelie over backwards if pushing hard on the pedals.
    I think my no-name susp forks seem to counter that. I also have quite a forward position—maybe a longer stem would help here, so that the centre of your riding weight is that little bit more forward. Or you could fill your front inner-tube with concrete
    Seriously though - I've heard that that gunk you can add to a tube to seal punctures on the fly is quite heavy. Maybe that would help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd
    LittlePixel, there have been some old and rusty Raleigh folders for sale nearby, but apparently they have a vertical split rather than the horizontal flanges.
    Bona-fide Twenties only have a horizontal split; anything with a vertical split is either a knock off or a later "Bianca" type Raleigh frame.
    Was the whole tube formed from one 'u' shaped tube? If so it's probably a Bianca (or one of the million other names they used)

    It's generally regarded that the vertical hinge prior to advancment by Dahon et al are a bit flexible for anything other than trips down the shops, but they can't be *so* bad nor they'd never have got built. I'd say go and have a look - see what your heart tells you.

    Quote Originally Posted by edd
    I am curious about peoples love for the Twenty, how do you compare the original and the modified ones with the modern bikes.
    You aren't alone in your curiousity. If you get one you'd probably initially wonder why people rave about them. Running stock there is a lot of room for improvement. When people rave about twenties I think they are mainly enthusing about the frame. It's got a nice geometry, stiff ride with that horizontal hinge and with the right blend of upgrades it has a good smooth fast ride. It's fold is pretty crap—it's no brompton in terms of folded size and it weighs a lot so this is where it falls down compared to modern bikes. But it's also about it's retro appeal.

    Which is nicer? A 1960s lotus Elan or a Showroom freash Mazda MX5 Miata?
    It all depends what you want really!

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    I think my no-name susp forks seem to counter that.
    Where did you source these from, Huw? I am planning on getting some suspension forks (ideally with disc mounts) but they're not easy to come by. I guess I could cannibalise a kids bike, but I would rather not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    V1nce and/or Little Pixel have info on BB options on their web sites. I think the high end of a BB replacement is the Phil Woods option; Sheldon Brown / Harris Cycles sells the Phil BB for around $100, cranks and chain ring extra; other options are less expensive.
    I did the Shimano un72/phil wood retaining rings thin here in the states. You can get still get the shimano un72 from several online places for between 17-25 dollars. The phil wood retaining ring is $43 and change from harris cyclery.

    http://www.bicyclebuys.com/HTML/BottomBrackets.htm
    http://www.flyingrhinocc.com/Home/DCBS_4.htm
    http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/bottombrackets.html

    juan162

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear&Trembling
    Where did you source these from, Huw? I am planning on getting some suspension forks (ideally with disc mounts) but they're not easy to come by. I guess I could cannibalise a kids bike, but I would rather not.
    I reccomend watching ebay regularly and checking out recumbent folder shops online. I got my sprite trl suspensiong fork from Gaerlan Cycles here in the US. There must be a similar store in your part of the world.

    http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/frame/forks/fork.html

    juan162

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    For what I've already spent on my Twenty, initial cost, shipping, new wheels (with upgrade from 3 to 5 speed hub), pedals, stem, bars, fenders, miscellaneous small parts, and, oh yes, I just bought a Brooks B67 saddle for it . . . .

    I could have bought a second Dahon Speed P8. Or a nicely equipped Downtube. Or had most of the price of a Xootr Swift.

    Instead I've got a practical city bike that rides quite nicely and has a lot of retro charm. Works for me, but it wouldn't have been a smart decision for someone who just wanted a good deal on a folding bike. And no, it doesn't fold very small. It fits in a large car trunk, but it wouldn't be the best bike to take on a bus.

    I'm kind of on the fence about upgrading the bottom bracket. The original one seems to be in such good shape for now that I hope to get a year out of it without doing anything more. Then I'll have to decide whether just to overhaul it or take one of the more expensive solutions. What I'd really like to do is find a cotterless replacement spindle that would work. Sheldon Brown says this is possible, but I haven't heard from anyone who's found a specific one that works. I have no problem with periodically opening up a bottom bracket and putting in new bearings and grease, but dealing with cotters is a pain.

    I feel somehow that I *should* upgrade the headset, but truthfully, that old crappy one isn't working badly for now. I replaced the bottom bearings, and cleaned up that nylon bushing on the top. Getting a shop to press in a new headset shouldn't be too much of a problem, anyway.

    The extensive upgrades done by Little Pixel, Cheg, and others, have been an inspiration, but it's not practical for me to do all that they've done, much as I respect it.

    The original question was how much to pay for a Twenty. I answered honestly how much I'd paid for mine, but I should have stressed the temptation to spend several times that upgrading afterward.
    Last edited by DaFriMon; 03-29-06 at 05:50 AM.
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    I would say, take 120 USD with you, try to get $100 for the bicycle and if the guy agrees for $120 I think it is a fair price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear&Trembling
    Where did you source these from, Huw? I am planning on getting some suspension forks (ideally with disc mounts) but they're not easy to come by. I guess I could cannibalise a kids bike, but I would rather not.
    They are made by Chilli Works (Chili?) and I got them from ebay from a vendor that specialises in end of line and bankrupt stock. I think I paid £15 for them; what was good about them was the steerer was already threaded and plenty long enough for the Twenty's longer-than-average head-tube.

    Am liking the idea of a Twenty with a disc up the front. That's probably a first...
    Huw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    I could go somewhat crazy with it and put in a Schlumpf and an 8spd Nexus. It wouldn't attract much attention but would be a blast to ride.
    You'd have to go 'somewhat crazy' as neither unit would fit without extensive frame mods.. another platform would be a better choice for those choice mods...like a Jet XP...wooo hooo!

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePixel
    Am liking the idea of a Twenty with a disc up the front. That's probably a first...
    Huw
    It certainly would be interesting, but I don't think I would use the original forks.
    I'm contemplating putting in a Sturmey Archer hub brake, and am already scared the forks will fold a lot easier than the bike will?

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    Sadly the guy didn't take my offer. Another person arrived and gave him his asking price. I didn't want to have a ton of money in it though. I would have seriously thought about a hub with more gears thought like Vince did on his. Nice bike though. I will definitely pick one up later. I understand the appeal of them.

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    Don't worry, sooner or later you are going to have your Tewnty and chepear than this guy asked for.

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    Yes, I'll keep my eyes open. My Merc just showed up so I'll be busy for a little while anyway tinkering with it.

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    If ever you want i can get you a BB bracket. They cost about E 22 here. And i still owe you for that mirror! Slumpf would prob. be nigh on impossible, spreading the triangle (nexus 8) is pretty easy.
    http://www.rhizomes.nl/twenty.html
    My Tweaked and modded Raleigh Twenty. Lots of pictures and lots of general info on for example a different & Cheap Bottom Bracket solution as well as fork solution.

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