Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 25 of 25
  1. #1
    Member knight9413's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    My Bikes
    Vintage Fuji Del Rey, Dahon Helios, Torelli Countach, Soma Juice 29er, Marin Muirwoods 29er, Pake C'mute, GT All Terra Tequesta, Origin-8 CX700, Trek Sawyer, Jamis Aurora
    Posts
    43
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    406/20" tires recommendation

    Planning to get some new tires for my old Dahon boardwalk... currently have the original stock dahon tire in the front and a wide (20 x 2.00) bmx tires in the rear. Thinking about getting the Schwalbe Marathon's (20 x 1.5) or the Kenda Kwest (20 x 1.5). Other considerations: Tioga Comp Pool, Primo Comet

    I actually want to change the front and rear rim to 451 and get some very narrow tires... don't know if this is even possible and worth doing...

    Anyways I think should change just the tires for now. Any suggestions or comments on what tires I should get?

  2. #2
    Senior Member Fear&Trembling's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    637
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    You will find a lot less options in the 451 size (and will you brakes still marry with larger diameter rims?), but there are plenty of choices in the 406 size. What distances are you planning on covering and what is the terrain like?

    In terms of puncture resistance, the Marathon Plus would be hard to beat.

    I have just fitted Conti Contact Sports (28/406). Apart from being difficult to seat on the rims, they roll well and the carcass is a lot tougher than the similarly sized Stelvios. Good for fast commuting on fairly even surfaces.
    Last edited by Fear&Trembling; 04-03-06 at 04:37 AM.

  3. #3
    Raleigh20 PugFixie, Merc LittlePixel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    London UK
    My Bikes
    1982 Raleigh Twenty Hotrod Fixie; 1984 Peugeot Premier Fixie, 2007 Merc Lightweight folder
    Posts
    1,961
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    My votes seeing as you seem to be talking about getting skinny fast tyres:

    For speed: Continental Grand Prix. Really nice tyre, rolls well - though you might want to run a puncture resisting strip between it and the inner tube. Nice amber walls, semi slick pattern. I love these tyres

    For looks: Schwalbe Stelvio (Mango Dahon edition). These are the same as the all-black Stelvio which is another good tyre - probably the skinniest in the 406 size, and these ones have cool mango yellow/orange stripes on them. Have a look at my Twenty site or any Dahon Speed 7 to see what they look like. Not as durable as the Grand Prix. I read a rumour in the 2006 Dahon brochure there'd be a red edition this year but have not seen any evidence on their new Hammerhead bikes to back that up.

    I've ridden Marathon Slicks (somewhere between the Marathon and the Stelvio) too but they were a little chunky for my fickle aesthetic tastes, and I still got punctures, and though a nice safety feature, I didn't really like the reflective scotchlite rings on the sidewall.

  4. #4
    Senior Member Tomaso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Antwerp, Belgium
    My Bikes
    Dahon Jetstream P8 + Dahon Impulse
    Posts
    106
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I've got Schwalbe Marathons on my Jetstream. I like them a lot.

  5. #5
    Senior Member cheg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Seattle
    My Bikes
    1974 Raleigh International (RIP), 1975 Raleigh Twenty Folder, 1983 Diamondback Ridgerunner, 2008 Davidson Custom Titanium, Burley Duet Tandem, 1981 Shogun Touring Bike
    Posts
    798
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    In 406, I like Primo Comets and Maxxis Hookworms. I tried Marathons and Conti Top Touring 2000 but prefer not to have raised tread due to rolling resistance. I have not tried anything narrower than 1-3/8", even on my 451 wheel.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Boston MA area
    Posts
    74
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    A few hundred miles ago I switched to Primo Comet Kevlar 1.50s and have been very happy with them (note: Comets come in both Kevlar and non-Kevlar versions) . Noticeably faster than my old tires, still pretty comfortable even at 100psi, with a reflective stripe. BTW, this was the best price I found for them and the Comp Pools:

    http://cyclingsolutions.com/mfg-subc...scid=45&mid=-1

  7. #7
    All ur bike r belong Enki james_swift's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    San Fransicko
    Posts
    816
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trocadile
    A few hundred miles ago I switched to Primo Comet Kevlar 1.50s and have been very happy with them (note: Comets come in both Kevlar and non-Kevlar versions) . Noticeably faster than my old tires, still pretty comfortable even at 100psi, with a reflective stripe. BTW, this was the best price I found for them and the Comp Pools:

    http://cyclingsolutions.com/mfg-subc...scid=45&mid=-1
    +1 here for the Comets. I have 900+ miles on my 20x1.35 Comet Kevlars, including the recent month-long (and counting) streak of wet-weather riding in SF, and have not had a single puncture!

    Check-out the nasty gash in my front tire that failed to punch-through:
    Last edited by james_swift; 04-03-06 at 10:57 AM.

  8. #8
    New usename ThorUSA brakemeister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Southern Illinois USA
    Posts
    2,469
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    http://www.thorusa.com/schwalbe1.htm

    usually folks like to upgrade to fatter tires instead of narrower ones :-)
    But narrow ones just feel faster ( and in many cases are actually faster )

    Dont go with 451 wheels.. the difference is really almost not measurable and the price for changing would be astronomical in relation to the benefit of swapping sizes. plus you limit yourself to a very few good tires...
    thats the reason actually I posted my tire link.... there you can see how many are available from Schwalbe alone ..... my favourites are the racers ,, they are 1.5 but seem to have superb rolling resistance ( while still offer enough cusion for my butt )

    thor

  9. #9
    Member knight9413's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    My Bikes
    Vintage Fuji Del Rey, Dahon Helios, Torelli Countach, Soma Juice 29er, Marin Muirwoods 29er, Pake C'mute, GT All Terra Tequesta, Origin-8 CX700, Trek Sawyer, Jamis Aurora
    Posts
    43
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Wow... This is really helpful... Thanks...

    it's most likely the primo or schwalbe... still a lot of choices... maybe i should close my eyes and randomly pick one of those...

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    526
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ditto to what brakemeister says. In addition, a change to 451 size also means a change in adjustment to your brakes, which may or may not be easy to do. 451 is slightly bigger...just big enough to not be in line with the brake mounts for 406

  11. #11
    Señor Mambo
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Fremont, CA
    My Bikes
    Bike Friday, Bridgestone MB-6 700c, Ti-frame Xtracycle, RANS, Brompton, Dahon, Downtube IXFS, ex-Birdy & a recumbent pedicab.
    Posts
    1,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Plain Comets are really awful and flat prone - personal experience. Most people have kinder comments about the kevlar versions, but I've never used those.

    I, too, like the Conti Grand Prix. Very thin, light tire - it's only knock is that some feel it is more prone to sidewall punctures, which do feel thin. It's also one of the skinniest tires around at 1 1/8".

    Schwalbe Marathons are bomb proof - it seems nothing can puncture them. Their downside is that they are heavy and I swear I can feel their sluggishness while riding. They're on my recumbent, however, because it's a pain changing tires on a recumbent.

    Schwalbe also has the new Marathon Racers which are supposed to be more durable than a Stelvio and lighter than or as light as a Grand Prix. While I've never used Stelvios, most in the recumbent community claim they are best used as a track/race tire, and not for general purpose riding; others will probably argue differently. In any case, I definitely will try the Racers once I need new tires.

    The only other issue which you may want to consider is your rim width: Stelvios, Grand Prixs, and most likely the new Racers [edit: Marathon Racers are 1.5"] will probably perform better on narrower rims. You sound like you have wider rims: I'd stick with tires that are 1.35" and wider.

    BTW, the Kwests are also nice rides, but I don't have many miles on them yet. If you get the 1.5" size, make sure you get the high pressure version (100 psi) as opposed to the low pressure version (65 psi).
    Last edited by spambait11; 04-04-06 at 03:17 AM.

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Matching tires and rims.

    How much range of tire size do you have for a given rim.
    I have 407 wheels that came with with generic 1.75 Kenda tires. Am I stuck with 1.75 for that
    rim or can I go to 1.5 Marathons or up to 2.0 Big Apples without changing rims?

  13. #13
    Member knight9413's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    My Bikes
    Vintage Fuji Del Rey, Dahon Helios, Torelli Countach, Soma Juice 29er, Marin Muirwoods 29er, Pake C'mute, GT All Terra Tequesta, Origin-8 CX700, Trek Sawyer, Jamis Aurora
    Posts
    43
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    ok... so it'll be the Primo, Schwalbe, or the Kenda's

    terain: flat, 99% tarmac
    distance: not much (10 miles/weekend)... i used to commute to work with this bike, but now i find my vintage road bike a little faster.

    I am not going to get 451 rims, but just curious... can you just install any standard size (135mm?) rear hub for dahon boardwalk like what this person does with his vitesse:

    http://www.geocities.jp/yayujin3/dahon-01.htm

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Providence, RI
    Posts
    68
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I like the Kenda Quests 406x1.5 (100psi) that came with my Xootr Swift, but they are a little heavy. When they wear out I'm thinking about the IRC Metro 406 x 1.25. They are light and not too expensive. Does anyone have any experience with them? Thanks
    Jonathan

  15. #15
    Señor Mambo
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Fremont, CA
    My Bikes
    Bike Friday, Bridgestone MB-6 700c, Ti-frame Xtracycle, RANS, Brompton, Dahon, Downtube IXFS, ex-Birdy & a recumbent pedicab.
    Posts
    1,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by hbob
    How much range of tire size do you have for a given rim.
    Sadly, this depends on the rim's interior width:
    Sheldon's explanation


    I have 407 wheels that came with with generic 1.75 Kenda tires. Am I stuck with 1.75 for that
    rim or can I go to 1.5 Marathons or up to 2.0 Big Apples without changing rims?
    Assuming you mean 406, most mass market bike rims will accommodate a wide tire range. If you currently have a 1.75" tire, I would not think twice about putting anything on from a 1.35" (e.g., Marathon Slick) to a 2.0"+ (e.g., Big Apple or Hookworm). On the wider end, your size is mainly limited by fork/brake clearance. However, narrow (race) tires will do best in narrow rims usually between 1" - 1.5" wide, because you don't want to deform the tire significantly by putting them in wider rims.

    As an aside, I'm also starting to dig the IRC Metro tires (1.25") which came with our Bike Friday tandem. Unfair bias alone always prevented me from buying the Metros as well as the high pressure Kwests until reports kept coming in that both were pretty decent tires. Since I'm riding the tandem around a lot nowadays (with my wife and by myself), I think the Metros do ride well and they're cheap to boot! However, it is a tandem, so this may not necessarily be the case for a single bike.

  16. #16
    Señor Mambo
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Fremont, CA
    My Bikes
    Bike Friday, Bridgestone MB-6 700c, Ti-frame Xtracycle, RANS, Brompton, Dahon, Downtube IXFS, ex-Birdy & a recumbent pedicab.
    Posts
    1,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanG
    I like the Kenda Quests 406x1.5 (100psi) that came with my Xootr Swift, but they are a little heavy.
    FYI: Kenda also makes a high pressure 1.25" Kwest (no personal experience):
    Calhoun Cycle


    When they wear out I'm thinking about the IRC Metro 406 x 1.25. They are light and not too expensive. Does anyone have any experience with them? Thanks
    Jonathan
    Whoa! Déjà vu.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by spambait11
    Sadly, this depends on the rim's interior width:
    Sheldon's explanation



    Assuming you mean 406, most mass market bike rims will accommodate a wide tire range..

    Sorry, I did mean 406. Thanks for the link to Sheldon's page. I was looking at his tire article but
    could not find the one on rim sizing.

  18. #18
    New usename ThorUSA brakemeister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Southern Illinois USA
    Posts
    2,469
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    unless you have real funky rims everything from 20 x 1/38 to 20x 2.00 will fit .. just make sure that you have a good fitting tube with the tire and not one which fits all


    thor

  19. #19
    Señor Mambo
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Fremont, CA
    My Bikes
    Bike Friday, Bridgestone MB-6 700c, Ti-frame Xtracycle, RANS, Brompton, Dahon, Downtube IXFS, ex-Birdy & a recumbent pedicab.
    Posts
    1,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister
    ...just make sure that you have a good fitting tube with the tire and not one which fits all
    GOOD advice.
    (Was screwed a couple times because I thought I could get away with not having to spend on proper sized tubes.)

  20. #20
    Senior Member Fear&Trembling's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    637
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I, too, like the Conti Grand Prix. Very thin, light tire - it's only knock is that some feel it is more prone to sidewall punctures, which do feel thin. It's also one of the skinniest tires around at 1 1/8".
    I agree, fast rolling but susceptible to sidewall puntures (I had two in the space of two weeks) - that is why I switched to the tougher Conti Contact Sport (also 1 1/8). However, I have switched the rear back to a Marathon Slick as the ride was too harsh.

    Schwalbe also has the new Marathon Racers which are supposed to be more durable than a Stelvio and lighter than or as light as a Grand Prix. While I've never used Stelvios, most in the recumbent community claim they are best used as a track/race tire, and not for general purpose riding; others will probably argue differently. In any case, I definitely will try the Racers once I need new tires.
    I did find the Marathon Racer more durable than a stelvio (greater puncture resistance and longer life) but vanity dictates that I still fit Stelvios to my Birdy...

  21. #21
    Raleigh20 PugFixie, Merc LittlePixel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    London UK
    My Bikes
    1982 Raleigh Twenty Hotrod Fixie; 1984 Peugeot Premier Fixie, 2007 Merc Lightweight folder
    Posts
    1,961
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Fear&Trembling
    I agree, fast rolling but susceptible to sidewall puntures (I had two in the space of two weeks) - that is why I switched to the tougher Conti Contact Sport (also 1 1/8). However, I have switched the rear back to a Marathon Slick as the ride was too harsh.
    My Continental Grand Prix sidewall has just failed. This is a new tyre with probably only 50 miles on it maybe less so I'm guessing it was a faulty bit of manufacture. Sadly bought off eBay so no comback with warranty there. Hmph. But they are good tyres in general.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fear&Trembling
    I did find the Marathon Racer more durable than a stelvio (greater puncture resistance and longer life) but vanity dictates that I still fit Stelvios to my Birdy...
    It's amazing the sacrifices we'll make to look cool isn't it? haha.

  22. #22
    Señor Mambo
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Fremont, CA
    My Bikes
    Bike Friday, Bridgestone MB-6 700c, Ti-frame Xtracycle, RANS, Brompton, Dahon, Downtube IXFS, ex-Birdy & a recumbent pedicab.
    Posts
    1,343
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Fear&Trembling
    ... but vanity dictates that I still fit Stelvios to my Birdy...
    Might as well, since you don't have many tire choices anyway.

  23. #23
    Member knight9413's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    My Bikes
    Vintage Fuji Del Rey, Dahon Helios, Torelli Countach, Soma Juice 29er, Marin Muirwoods 29er, Pake C'mute, GT All Terra Tequesta, Origin-8 CX700, Trek Sawyer, Jamis Aurora
    Posts
    43
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trocadile
    A few hundred miles ago I switched to Primo Comet Kevlar 1.50s and have been very happy with them (note: Comets come in both Kevlar and non-Kevlar versions) . Noticeably faster than my old tires, still pretty comfortable even at 100psi, with a reflective stripe. BTW, this was the best price I found for them and the Comp Pools:

    http://cyclingsolutions.com/mfg-subc...scid=45&mid=-1

    Thanks guys... I got my primo comets from cycling solutions, and took some pics of my boardwalk recently:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/77511130@N00/

    Didn't actually weigh it, but the bike seems to be lighter w/ the new tires. Anyways love comets.

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Boston MA area
    Posts
    74
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Glad they're working out for you. I'm approaching a thousand miles on mine and they still barely look used.

  25. #25
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    36
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    IRC Metros

    I have 1.25 406 100 psi Metros and they roll a lot better than 1.50 406 60 psi Kendas. I had 2 Metros w/ the light colored sidewalls go bad w/ thread separation. The blackwalls are ok.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •