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Old 01-29-07, 06:52 PM   #1
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Standing & Cranking Up Hill on a Folder

Is that a problem? Do YOU stand and crank up hill?
I've only had my Pocket Pilot for a few days, but cranking up a steep hill seemed a bit dicey. A lot of creaking noises compared to my litespeed. Maybe my bike is haunted!
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Old 01-29-07, 07:25 PM   #2
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my downtube hasn't had any problems when I have done so, but I almost never mash, I lower gears and spin. Then again, I don't have the foothills So. Cal has in NYC.
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You can't really stand on a Strida, but I sure as hell can stand and crank on my Raleigh 20.
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I'm sure a Pocket Pilot can handle standing and cranking. I've never dealt with any real hills on my Boardwalk, but as long as I keep the bars set relatively low, I don't get too much worrying flex.
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I ride a fixed gear Xootr in the hills of southern Indiana, so standing and cranking is a mandatory part of every ride. There were some creaks and groans at first, but greasing the likely culprits and tightening down the clamps fixed everything. Now if only I could silence the panting and groaning coming from the motor.

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If creaking is the only problem (as opposed to flex), check with BF. There are probably some components that need to be greased or tightened. Happens all the time on my Swift.

I know Swifts are built solid enough that you can stand and/or pull on the handlebars; I assume this is also true for BF and other expensive folders / separatables (Moulton, Airnimals etc). Not a good idea on the low-end Dahons though, since the handlebars are very flexy.
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Old 01-29-07, 09:08 PM   #7
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If you have multiple gears, the "right" way to go uphill is to shift down and spin like mad. That's true regardless of the bike: DF, folder, or 'bent. Standing and mashing is poor use of your muscles. And if the bike is creaking, it's probably not good for the bike - overstressing some parts perhaps?

BUT if you have a single speed, you might not have a choice I have yet to tackle anything more than an 8% grade on my Strida - and only a very short stretch at that.
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It's not a problem for me and my Downtube. I do it all the time and feel very secure with it. With the hills around here, and the company I keep when I ride them, mashing is sometimes necessary.
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My experience with Fridays is that they feel best climbing out of the saddle. But they shouldn't squeak.
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No problem standing up and cranking on the NWT. Just for reference, I am about 6' and 195 pounds.
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My experience with Fridays is that they feel best climbing out of the saddle. But they shouldn't squeak.
I said creak, not squeak! I've got a goblin, not a mouse, living in my drive train!
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Old 01-29-07, 10:37 PM   #12
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I'm not sure that I know the difference twixt squeak and creak. The Friday-specifc stuff is that the bottom hinge can make noise. To cure this, remove the hinge nuts and washers, add a dab of lithium grease to everything, and tighten it back up again. Also make sure the rear hinge quick-release is good and tight. If that doesn't cure it, it could be a non-Friday specific thing: make sure pedals and crank bolts are tight, and that the wheel spokes are properly tensioned.

You can really stress the drivetrain climbing out of the saddle. If something is going to squeak/creak, that's when it's gonna happen.
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Pocket Pilots don't have folding seat masts.
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Old 01-29-07, 11:06 PM   #14
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Not seatmast. Rear triangle, which I assume is the same as other Fridays.
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Old 01-29-07, 11:34 PM   #15
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The only thing that creaks when out of the saddle on my fixie Swift are my aged knees.

Seriously, though, the linkage in the rear traingle of the Friday is most likely the culprit. A curious Friday owner stopped me on the train one day to examine my Swift. He said the rear triangle on the Swift is much stiffer than that of his Friday. I wouldn't worry about it, though. It's a great bike, and the legions of faithful Friday owners out there can attest that the bike is reliable and safe.
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Got it. Never thought of looking there. Found that my noise was always due to the seat mast hinge.
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Old 01-29-07, 11:43 PM   #17
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Don't need to with the Silver. Forget about any hill on the Brommie. I will try standing up without shifting next time. No creak just creepy driver buzzing by.

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Don't pull when you climb! You can damage your headset or break the stem. (Remember what the wise Greek said, "Give me a lever long enough, and I'll destroy your bearings.")
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Creaking could be joint between cranks and BB spline. I didn't do this properly when I first built my Twenty and it sounded pretty terrible - aluminium against hardened steel is quite a junction. I realised my mistake after one largish hill and so added liberal amounts of purple grease which totally sorted the noise which hasn't reappeared since with about 2000 miles of riding and two stripdowns.

And I second the opinion that a Twenty can 'take it' with the standing cranking on a hill thing. Totally. Built to survive nuclear wars these bikes!
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I opted for Trek folders as you can get out of the saddle and dance up the hills (admittedly, I do not waltz up inclines on the 76" fixed - this is more a case of mashing and staying in the saddle for as long as possible and exerting a lot of power at lower revs).

As for the handling, I have hardly any tuck under and the the bike rarely groans. I am 6ft 2" and 205lbs.

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Old 01-30-07, 12:52 PM   #21
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I never had the need to stand on the pedals, even on the hilly terrain surrounding my house. I find that the gearing is quite adequete.
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I never had the need to stand on the pedals, even on the hilly terrain surrounding my house. I find that the gearing is quite adequete.
I double that for my Dahon Speed 7. My commute home is all uphill, and I pedal seated all the way.

It would be nice to subtract a couple of inches for low gear, though...especially at the end of the week!

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Well, the original question was not whether climbing out of the saddle was advisable or necessary, but whether it should be possible. Although I rarely stand on the pedals, I haven't noticed any unusual noises on my BF Crusoe or Pocket Tourist when I do. I'd agree that the rear triangle is a likely reason if there is excessive noise. Is it also possible that the bottom bracket might be a little loose?
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I regularly stand up and pump my Merc 3 speed. With a bottom gear of 45 inches, I have to on a steep hill. The bike seems happy with this and the only creeks I get are the occasional ones from my knees.
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You can't really stand on a Strida.
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