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    Instead Of A ***, My Father Left Me A Folding Bike

    I think it is about time to bring up something that has been bothering me since makeinu's small apartment thread and how mean and petty even this forum is drifting to. The real, underlying reason why I purchase each bike new rather than used. Plus why I even went ahead and started to post, and developing 2 web sites on these bikes. It may not be a very nice reason. It is not popular (unless you are in the middle of when it hits the fan), it is not sexy or flashy, but here it is. The primary number one reason that I have purchased and upgraded folding bikes is in an event of an unexpected, unforeseen emergency such as a man-made or natural disaster I can shuttle food, water, prescriptions, pets, and other necessary things for living to or away from my house.

    In the event I might repeat myself, while I use my bikes in various other ways (see my web sites below), I find the Southern California traffic too congested to safely enjoy riding most of the time. So buying bicycles was not the ideal when it comes to safe passage or even interaction among the new arrivals that increased crime in my area. The folding bike is the last bike I can use if I must ride. I find it's flexibility allows me to make it "disappear" (hide) it from hostile parties, maintain good health by using bikes more, and haul items on the racks 2 of the "workhorses" have in the rear.

    The only thing that still prevents me from actually buying from a private party is I have different expectations from my bikes than most others here on this forum (and other forums similar to this one). My folding bikes are expected to be suited for and actually perform in event of another emergency-besides being just recreational fun items. I developed and have a list of features/components/accessories that each bike must have to be used for the primary purpose that I intend each bike to be used for and check each bike model against said list (complete list posted and available on my Geocities Web site). I was very happy with using old reclaimed beaters from thrift stores and even private parties long before I went to buying and using folders exclusively. If these bikes did not offer me better protection from thieves, actual bike jacking, or some other such negative experiences, I would still be using beaters, inexpensive bike shop sold non-folding models, or other such bikes. Folding bikes are far more expensive than a similar bike without this feature. But they are the only thing that works in a hostile environment such as a typical anonymous urban center where I must live for some time to come.

    The point is folding bike ownership is a experience in self-reliance in itself. These bikes are optimally maintained by the best bike shops that I could find, rather than just any ol'bike shop around the block. While I try to do most of the simple maintenance and repairs at home to familiarize myself with each bike in case of an emergency need of repair on the road, I believe more in preventives rather than trying to do it all myself. My own goals is to avoid at all costs the need to do some sort of preventable repair on the road, especially in a hostile environment such as the one I currently find myself in. I do not busy myself in fancy rather descriptive terms of "gruppos," "cadence," "honking," or even refer or think of cycling as a "sport" since most of the world's population that uses bikes see them as a utility device rather than competition machine or a child's toy like most of North America has done. I think of these sample terms more in the sense of a ungruppo-selecting only components/accessories that allow the bike to do it's job in a dependable sure way-rather than blindly seeking out just a fancy set of parts, or uncadence-choosing to pace oneself to avoid getting too tired out too fast, or unhonking-preferring to stay in the saddle to maximize control over the bike or if hill is too steep, simply getting off and walking it up. Simple over Complex.

    The folding bike is flexible because it's design-no matter what the make or model is-permits these bikes to go beyond the physical and psychological barriers that any bike many times come in contact with due to it's inherent mobility and easily overcomes these barriers. These bikes were used in times of strife and turmoil that wartime creates. While these bikes do enjoy a modest success at this time, the primary purpose will not be rediscovered until then. That is why my father bequeath one bike-the Boardwalk S1-and all the bikes following and patterned after it to me and my sister. These bikes has been and will be called again to provide "aid and comfort" to all of us here in my shrinking family when the hard times come around again.

    Perhaps I open myself to much anger or flaming, but it really does not matter anymore. My Web sites and postings here and elsewhere will bear witness to the joy and comfort this final gift from my father has given me for the past one an a half years since his passing. I hope the 300+ million potential bike riders will see this and decide for themselves there is a place for the nonenthusiests and the utility users in the world too. And my volunteering of becoming a writer for spreading the idea of alternative uses to a sleeping giant as this neglected population has been.
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    I just ride my folder because I like it. It makes me happy; its the exercise and the neatness of the design that I enjoy, but then survivalism isn't my thing. I think I have a realistic view of the risks of societal breakdown and the likelyhood of impending doom.

    PS - I don't recognise at all the meaness you refer too in the first few lines; this forum is a haven of politeness and constructive advice. The matter you refer to was simply a natural reaction to a quite uneccessary questioning of the integrity of a well known and very helpful poster. The fact that a few folks said so isn't mean at all; quite the contrary. It is called defending the reputation of someone who is regarded as a friend by many.

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    Fanatic,

    I look for, and respect your broad perspective on issues, in this, and other forums. I can remember my first bike ride. In France, as a child, it provided me a freedom that I have seldom had since. Today I ride for other reasons, but wind in my hair, and a sense of leaving my toubles behind me are still part of it. Your father clearly left you a legacy that you should be proud of, and I am sure he would be proud of you.

    When friends discuss passionately, they often say things that are interpreted differently in text, that it would be in person. Please remember that we are all here, because we love our bikes, and want to help each other. You do that well, every time you respond to a question. We are all trying to do the same.

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    It's a bike, a fairly simple machine. Don't think it to death, just ride it and enjoy. There's nothing wrong with having a bike(s) around in case of a disaster, but you might want to lighten up a bit while you're waiting for it to come.

    PS; there is at least one more poster here who thought makeinu was out of line and didn't comment ... much as I wanted to.
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    Y'all better get yourselves some knobby tires for when the ish hits the fan. Road maintenance will become oblivious.

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    I'd also like to add that my favorite thing about cycling is the simple pleasure I get from feeling the wind in my face while I aimlessly cruise at a relaxing pace. This is how I felt as a child on my silver fox banana seat bike, and this is how I feel when I climb on any ol' bike today(unless it is painful to my rear end). There is no sense of competition, stress, or anxiety when cycling this way. It gives me a sense of freedom, and it makes me feel more connected to the environment. It gives me a sens of freedom that I cannot really compare to anything else. Maybe it is the same feeling as hitting a home run, or skiing on a hot day in a t-shirt, or maybe even like swimming in the ocean or a lake. It just feels naturally good.

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    There aren't a huge number of folding bike shops where I live. Basically there is Calhoun Cycles which is more into 'bents. If you want something other than a Brompton or a Dahon (starting last year Xootr) you don't have many choices. I have a hard time trusting a lot of shops with bike repairs. Somehow they don't seem to be familiar with whatever I bring in. I end up having to supply the information they need so they can do it since I don't have all the special tools needed for the job.

    I have bought several used bikes in the past and I never expected them to ever be like brand new. I always figured if there was some issue I'd deal with it myself. Bike mechanics is not rocket science and there are enough people that had experience with the issue that I could probably ask for some input and get it if I couldn't figure it out myself.

    I learned a long time ago you can't please everyone no matter what you do. For example I had been very sick for about the past 4 weeks. I literally felt so bad I actually called in sick to work which I maybe do once every 10 years or so. I had totally lost my voice and couldn't talk at all. I'd go into work and still try and conduct the meetings and keep projects moving while barely having enough energy to stand. Then someone would have the audacity to complain that I wasn't speaking at the meeting and keeping people on task at the meeting. Never mind the fact that the meeting was a mere formality to go over what data I had already compiled and that was sent to everyone PRIOR to the meeting.

    These people still weren't happy with the fact that I was working 60-70 hours a week even though I was very sick. We have some incredibly tight deadlines and I knew if I took any more time off, that it would directly affect an entity with a billion dollar annual budget.

    Where this meandering story is gone is I think people in general lack civility. No good deed goes unpunished it seems. Try and help someone pull their car out of the ditch and God help you if somehow their car gets damaged in the process they will want to sue the good samaritan who stooped to help. As a result people don't want to stop to help. Often the good samaritan becomes a victim. Because of that, I often keep a folder in my car. I know that the only person I can rely upon is myself most of the time. Even if it -20F out, as long as it isn't too icy if my car breaks down, I can probably ride my folder somewhere if I need to.

    Now FF if you had a folder AND a ***, you'd be all set!

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    I must have missed the ugliness in the thread referred to by FF. I quite often stop reading a thread when it deteriorates. I agree there are some people that have a tendency to belittle and dismiss someone that doesn't share their narrow point of view. I also agree with Wavshrdr's take on general civility. FWIW I raced many years ago and am embarrassed to say I probably looked down on a few utility cyclists in my day. However now the tables are turned and I am a utility/recreational cyclist. I respect anybody that is on two wheels (or more) that are moving under their own power. We have a substantial number of what I call Urban cyclists, the guys, that if it wasn't for their bicycles wouldn't be moving much at all. Many of these people are unemployed or under employed. I have taken it as a mission to help provide them with parts and repairs. The other thing I do is keep a stash of cheap safety vests that I hand out to them to try and keep them at least partially visible in traffic. Everyone chooses cycling for a different reason. I came back to it for the rest and relaxation as well as the exercise. I also think it is going to become a necessity in the near future.

    I think Folding Fanatic's take on the use of folding cycles is very interesting and is a point of view I had never really considered. I have always thought that a bicycle is a good survival vehicle. I live and work in hurricane prone areas. After a major storm a bicycle is quite often the only thing that can get through to check on people.

    FF has done an excellent job with the websites and I direct people there when they ask questions about folders. I care less about brand name than I do about suitability and durability. I am in the market for a folder and have been reading, researching and testing them out as I find them. So far the leader for my needs is probably the Brompton. My challenges are probably different from someone else's and what works for me may not work for them.

    And as an aside..."those that chose to live by the sword will die by the sword"... I have guns but they are used as a tool on our small farm for protection of our animals and home only.

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    as someone who has carried a firearm since 1968 every day of his life i am luckly to have both and the ability to use both. if a problem happens be it man made or natural disaster well i will be able to live through it providing i make it through the initial incident. i have thought about it a lot and have made plans to survive. as a police since 1971 well i guess we are trained to think of the worst. the folder s i have were bought to allow me to travel with them to get exercise( becoming diabetic ) since i need to do that. i was able to see the other attributes of having my bike fridays. i would think most of us here are able to think outside of the box when necessary so you folks will do ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc
    ...FWIW I raced many years ago and am embarrassed to say I probably looked down on a few utility cyclists in my day. However now the tables are turned and I am a utility/recreational cyclist. I respect anybody that is on two wheels (or more) that are moving under their own power. We have a substantial number of what I call Urban cyclists, the guys, that if it wasn't for their bicycles wouldn't be moving much at all. Many of these people are unemployed or under employed. I have taken it as a mission to help provide them with parts and repairs. The other thing I do is keep a stash of cheap safety vests that I hand out to them to try and keep them at least partially visible in traffic. Everyone chooses cycling for a different reason. I came back to it for the rest and relaxation as well as the exercise. I also think it is going to become a necessity in the near future...
    I wasn't much into bicycle racing but I was very actively involved in a wide variety of motorsport competition while racing motorcycles, cars, trucks and buggies. I was really heavily into the sport. The only thing I enjoyed more than winning was helping somone else who was just getting the bug to help them work through the steep learning curve. What I am trying to say is that I always enjoyed being able to be a mentor for other people. Even when I wasn't racing I'd volunteer my time to do tech inspections or be a corner marshal at race events.

    When I was in a position to actually teach others it was one of the most rewarding periods of my life. Now I try to be a good ambassador for all the sports I love. For example a few years ago when scooters were just become popular I was heavily into them. I would travel and sometimes ANY bike would have exceeded the weight limits and the early folders weren't that good. I would sometimes travel to some pretty remote areas and I could easily carry a scooter with me as transport assuming I had paved areas to ride on.

    As I traveled to more remote areas such as Siberia for example, I would meet young kids who couldn't afford anything to ride; scooter or a bike. Before one trip I had a brainstorm, I contacted a company that was big into selling Razor scooters. I arranged to buy a substantial number of them at an agressive discount. I loaded up my suitcases with all the Razors I could fit. As I would scooter around some of the less unfortunate kids, I'd hand out a Razor or two. The looks in these kids eyes was priceless. It was as though I had just handed them a brand new Ferrari.

    Fast forward a few years later. I returned to some of these same areas. I saw some of these same kids and they immediately remembered me. In general the scooters were in surprisingly good shape. They had been "adopted" by a groupd of kids and they all took turns and also policed each other so it wouldn't get broken by over enthusiastic use. I would take time to give their scooters a quick going over to make sure there were no safety issues and then be on my way. They would scooter along with me for a long time until they had to go home.

    On one trip my mom went with me and took her scooter. I had told her what I had done and to her credit she bought a bunch of them and gave them away on our trip. She talked more about the kids who received the scooters she gave away than some of the incredible sights she saw.

    Obviously folders are more expensive and not so easy to carry a bunch of them but altruism can be rewarding at times even though that isn't the intent. So now I may not be an ambassador or scooters so much but I've definitely become a folder evangelist.

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    Problem with guns, for me, is that they are only designed to do one thing. Anyone who calls them tools has a really narrow definition of the usefulness of a tool. In most disaster situations, it's better to have a stout knife or axe. I'd opt for the latter, as time and time again many survivors have commented how useful it would have been to have an axe to chop, slice, cut, hammer with, in order to build structures, get out of structures, or build other tools. But it looks funny carrying one on a bike, so I just keep it in my go-bag at home.

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    Not to veer too far off in *** land, I've been in areas during a major disaster. One big problem I found is that what (if any civility) that is left in man, quickly evaporates. I have seen a young boy get beaten up because an adult wanted his bicycle. Under these circumstances it is often survival of the fittest and defense becomes a priority. I personal prefer weapons that give me stand-off capablity where I am less likely to get hurt. I also can't help but keep in mind all the countries where I've traveled that have outlawed guns yet all the outlaws seem to have them and the general population is defenseless.

    I do keep a survival pack with a wide variety of "tools" to help me in most any situation. I was stabbed very badly about 20 years ago requiring over 100 stitches to close the wound back up. I was out roller skating and was unarmed. The attacker (an illegal alien) had a pretty big knife. A wide variety of tools could have been useful then. Which brings up another topic of sorts.

    How do you protect yourself against the dangers when you ride? Chemical agents? Sound? What? Folder and a ***?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    How do you protect yourself against the dangers when you ride? Chemical agents? Sound? What? Folder and a ***?
    OC spray and a Keltec P11. With my Texas CHL of course.

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    I agree, if you are going to possibly use one of these in a katrina like situation, have a *** permit/CCW, and have formal firearms training, using the ****** you will carry.

    Desparation is abound in those situations, and when people ger desparate, they become violent...always prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.
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    I do hold a CCW permit in NC but normally don't carry anymore. My biggest problem is that I travel extensively and the laws vary from area to area and not all states are reciprocal. Also I occasionally travel by air and refuse to check baggage so no carry in that situation either. I agree that in a situation like Katrina (yes I was there in Mobile, AL when it hit) it will bring out the best and the worst in people. Including the ones that are supposed to be helping.

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    "...For example I had been very sick for about the past 4 weeks. I literally felt so bad I actually called in sick to work which I maybe do once every 10 years or so. I had totally lost my voice and couldn't talk at all. I'd go into work and still try and conduct the meetings and keep projects moving while barely having enough energy to stand. Then someone would have the audacity to complain that I wasn't speaking at the meeting and keeping people on task at the meeting. Never mind the fact that the meeting was a mere formality to go over what data I had already compiled and that was sent to everyone PRIOR to the meeting.

    These people still weren't happy with the fact that I was working 60-70 hours a week even though I was very sick. We have some incredibly tight deadlines and I knew if I took any more time off, that it would directly affect an entity with a billion dollar annual budget...Where this meandering story is gone is I think people in general lack civility. No good deed goes unpunished it seems. Try and help someone pull their car out of the ditch and God help you if somehow their car gets damaged in the process they will want to sue the good samaritan who stooped to help. As a result people don't want to stop to help. Often the good samaritan becomes a victim. Because of that, I often keep a folder in my car. I know that the only person I can rely upon is myself most of the time. Even if it -20F out, as long as it isn't too icy if my car breaks down, I can probably ride my folder somewhere if I need to.

    Now FF if you had a folder AND a ***, you'd be all set!..." -Wavshrdr

    Wavshrdr,

    I guess I did neglect to mention that my father was civil service retired from the federal goverment's security units for various branches from the army to GSA. He was the *** expert, not me. He knew of my reluctance to arm myself with one of his guns, so he did push me to take various courses in arm to arm combat, and when our transit system went on strike, he felt my old beater was too noticeable to the roving gang members surrounding our house. He faintly remembered a curious folding bike from his army days during World War 2. He told me to find a company that might still make these type of bikes, model it after the old 3 speed bike I had, plus some of my previous past bikes he felt were good enough for his (and mine) purposes, along with his old motorcycles (see the Flickr photo of one) and commission the job from his hospital bed. The result is the Boardwalk.

    I hope you will take some time off from your long work days for one short trip to the doctor and take care of yourself. Your children needs you more. And get well soon.
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    As a brit I say all this mixing of talk about bikes (yay!) and guns (boo!) makes me feel rather sad. In britain a disaster tends to cement usually distant people, rather than turning the world into a mad-max style free-for all dystopia. If polled I'd rather guns were treated as taboo on a forum about bikes much as talking about mid-east politics or the price of bacon are.
    "Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has *******s in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now-in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from *******s. FFFFFourteen. Now-the United States, and I think you know how we feel about *******s-woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard. Twenty-three thousand deaths from *******s. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns-woooo, I'm getting a stiffy-twenty-three thousand deaths from *******s. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a *** and shooting someone with it, and not having a *** and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof"

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    One of the themes of this thread is people's rudeness to each other in these discussion forums. No doubt we could do better, but I don't think we're really that bad here. In addition to the matter alluded to earlier, I've seen people butt heads over a couple of stupid things, but really, as Internet discussion groups go, things are fairly civil around here.

    One general thing that I'd like to see people remember, there's no such thing as winning an argument. If you're trying to correct somebody on a point of fact, it should be enough to present the information you have. If the other person won't accept that, it's not necessary to call him a fool or ignoramus. He may be one, but it isn't necessary to say so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFriMon
    One of the themes of this thread is people's rudeness to each other in these discussion forums. No doubt we could do better, but I don't think we're really that bad here. In addition to the matter alluded to earlier, I've seen people butt heads over a couple of stupid things, but really, as Internet discussion groups go, things are fairly civil around here.

    One general thing that I'd like to see people remember, there's no such thing as winning an argument. If you're trying to correct somebody on a point of fact, it should be enough to present the information you have. If the other person won't accept that, it's not necessary to call him a fool or ignoramus. He may be one, but it isn't necessary to say so.
    I'm completely in agreement with your first paragraph and moderately impressed with the second. My only doubt about it is that when someone is well off base, I think he should be told, and he was in the context of this discussion.

    I'm kind of bewildered by this thread, and I agree with some of littlePixel's comments. This is a thread more about urban paranoia than bikes, and is more than a little out of the normal character of the forum. That's not necessarily a bad thing of course; a forum might well go off into other realms from time to time and still be dealing with pertinent issues, but even though I did recently escape a band of drunken youths at midnight on my Merc, when they gave chase as I pedaled past, demanding that I give them my BMX, I wouldn't fancy that a small bicycle would do well for its owner in any kind 'Mad max' society unless the cyclist only came out and rode it in the dead of night. Any bunch of 'likely lads' could stop a man on a bicycle and take whatever they liked were they not as drunk as lords. In the absensence of fuel after a hurricane or an earthquake, it could prove a useful item, and that might be why it would be difficult to hold onto if people turned nasty. As for guns, those who wanted to steal the bike would find it much easier to shoot the rider down than would the rider to return their fire. I'm not sure a small wheeled bicycle makes a terribly stable fire platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilV
    ... This is a thread more about urban paranoia than bikes, and is more than a little out of the normal character of the forum.
    "Urban paranoia" is discussed all the time in the Commuting subforum.


    As for guns, those who wanted to steal the bike would find it much easier to shoot the rider down than would the rider to return their fire. I'm not sure a small wheeled bicycle makes a terribly stable fire platform.
    During a disaster, esp. something like Katrina, I did not perceive a folding bike would have been that useful. And here in earthquake country, I can see one being moderately useful provided the roads are not somehow trashed and thrashed with potholes and debris.

    As to the *** thing, even if one were to witness a bike jacking and a beating as Wav claimed, I also note he did not indicate he did anything about it either. Would a *** have made a difference? Well, if the guy stopped beating the kid, and came after him calling his bluff, it would seem - apart from "good looks and boyish charm" - he'd only have two options: shoot or run. Maybe a warning shot would stop the guy. Then again, maybe not. In any case, I wouldn't use my folding bike as a shooting platform either. Might scratch the powdercoat.

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    One does not under any circumstances use warning shots. real life is not tv, not only is it illegial but it is very counter productive. It the situation warrants deadly force then one must be prepared to use it. if one is not in that mondset then one shouldnt have a firearm period.
    to the lad from across the pond, we are americans not brits. we have the freedopm to have firearms here its called the 2nd amendment to the US constitution. the police from the UK i have spoken with say that illegial firearms are becoming quite common and more cops are being armed although very quietly.Many UK officers come here to get firearms training and we talk as all cops do very frankly. I have been in a riot and a war and on the street for ever it seems. I only got mugged once on my bike fridday. Thatr incident brings up the old saw of never and i mean never bring a knife to a *** fight, you will lose. I was able to impress that point on the two young want to be thiefs. The two ladies that were the indended victims were very surprised and quite happy to see this old gray haired *** with a sheriffs star and a glock.
    a folder will provide one with mobility in the case of a problem and i keep one in the trunk of my focus.
    hey its good to ride whenever you can too

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    I did not mean that a bonafide disaster must strike in order for a folding bike to be useful. To best illustrate this point, let us examine some of the social unrest periods (like serial killers roaming about) of the City Of Los Angeles (along with natural and man made ones) stretching from 1965 (I was about Age 9 or so) to 2003's MTA transit strike which was the final push into the purchase of the Boardwalk-my first folding bike.

    MTA's Own Admission Of it's Three Transit Stikes During It's Brief History:
    "...From its inception in 1993, the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority had never reached agreement with its unions on new labor contracts prior to their expiration. The MTA experienced strikes in three of its last four negotiating cycles (1994, 2000 and 2003), disrupting service to transit riders. In 2003, the strike cost the local economy an estimated $4 million per day, or $140 million during the 35-day strike." -from the official web site @ mta.net

    1992 Los Angeles Riots:
    http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043506.jpg and
    http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics47/00043453.jpg
    http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044162.jpg

    1978 Hillside Strangler Murders*:
    http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics08/00023955.jpg
    http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics08/00023949.jpg and Flickr Photo:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/world-o...7594325178229/

    *This was a more personal loss for me. The young lady and her bright orange car played a very important role in identifying, capture, and conviction of these cousin murderers. I sometimes wonder if she did not put so much faith in her car for protection, she would still be here. Maybe if she had a bike...

    1971 San Fernando/Sylmar Earthquake:
    http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics10/00024727.jpg

    1965 Watts Riots:
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    1943 Transit Strike**:
    http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics18/00028861.jpg

    **Photo from way before my birth, but this photo shows the need for a good dependable public transportation system was evident even then.

    Each photo or paragraph demostrates how not just any bike, but a folding bike that can be somewhat hidden, at the ready to use, and not locked up for any reason is the only bike that I found could be deployed at a moments notice. Yet one could still enjoy it on a sunny happy bike trip off in a quiet place, basking in the moment.
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    i have gotten a few looks riding around downtown annapolis in full uniform on my friday NWT. i just put it down to envy

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    Don't care which side of the pond you are this is supposed to be a FOLDING BIKE FORUM take your *** talk to a *** forum please.
    Next thing we'll be discussing the pros & cons of folding bikes in religion, gay folding bike rights etc! LOL!
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