Dahon speed pro TT
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,117
Bikes: lots... even a Raleigh twenty !!!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
1 Post
Dahon speed pro TT
As a R20 owner, I'm a bit of a scooge to buy a new expensive modern folder, BUT, the Dahon speed pro and tt models look pretty tempting, has anyone had a ride of either model or heard good and bad points about them or wants to give me one for free?
Also how do Dahons compare to Bikefridays, Bromptons etc in quality, rideability and whatever else you might like to tell me?
Stevegor
Also how do Dahons compare to Bikefridays, Bromptons etc in quality, rideability and whatever else you might like to tell me?
Stevegor
#2
Professional Fuss-Budget
There was a thread not too long ago on it. Search appears to be busted, but it's probably only a few pages back.
The pros that I see are fast tires and TT bars, which look interesting but are rarely used on anything except fixies / SS / tri bikes. Dahon's fold is pretty good, better than BF and Swift imo. I also think it aesthetically it looks sweet.
The cons are that design-wise, the bike can't make up its mind. Suspension on the front wheel? An internal hub? Minimal handlebar height adjustment? Steel frame? All seem like strange choices for a modern road bike.
Also, it's got the i-Beam, so saddle choices are limited, unless you change seatposts. Other parts (like the derailleur) ought to be standard but I'd check on it first.
I'd also assume / have been told that, like most Dahons it's inadvisable to pull back on the handlebars, as it has lots of flex.
My guess is that the Speed Pro will fold better than, but perform as well as, a basic Swift or BF. Once you go above that level, you're paying more for things like drop bars, more gears, custom fit, lighter and more robust components etc., but the basic functionality doesn't change all that much. With new folders, once you're over $800, I think you are in the Land of Diminishing Returns....
The pros that I see are fast tires and TT bars, which look interesting but are rarely used on anything except fixies / SS / tri bikes. Dahon's fold is pretty good, better than BF and Swift imo. I also think it aesthetically it looks sweet.
The cons are that design-wise, the bike can't make up its mind. Suspension on the front wheel? An internal hub? Minimal handlebar height adjustment? Steel frame? All seem like strange choices for a modern road bike.
Also, it's got the i-Beam, so saddle choices are limited, unless you change seatposts. Other parts (like the derailleur) ought to be standard but I'd check on it first.
I'd also assume / have been told that, like most Dahons it's inadvisable to pull back on the handlebars, as it has lots of flex.
My guess is that the Speed Pro will fold better than, but perform as well as, a basic Swift or BF. Once you go above that level, you're paying more for things like drop bars, more gears, custom fit, lighter and more robust components etc., but the basic functionality doesn't change all that much. With new folders, once you're over $800, I think you are in the Land of Diminishing Returns....
#3
Part-time epistemologist
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
There was a thread not too long ago on it. Search appears to be busted, but it's probably only a few pages back.
The pros that I see are fast tires and TT bars, which look interesting but are rarely used on anything except fixies / SS / tri bikes. Dahon's fold is pretty good, better than BF and Swift imo. I also think it aesthetically it looks sweet.
The cons are that design-wise, the bike can't make up its mind. Suspension on the front wheel? An internal hub? Minimal handlebar height adjustment? Steel frame? All seem like strange choices for a modern road bike.
Also, it's got the i-Beam, so saddle choices are limited, unless you change seatposts. Other parts (like the derailleur) ought to be standard but I'd check on it first.
I'd also assume / have been told that, like most Dahons it's inadvisable to pull back on the handlebars, as it has lots of flex.
My guess is that the Speed Pro will fold better than, but perform as well as, a basic Swift or BF. Once you go above that level, you're paying more for things like drop bars, more gears, custom fit, lighter and more robust components etc., but the basic functionality doesn't change all that much. With new folders, once you're over $800, I think you are in the Land of Diminishing Returns....
The pros that I see are fast tires and TT bars, which look interesting but are rarely used on anything except fixies / SS / tri bikes. Dahon's fold is pretty good, better than BF and Swift imo. I also think it aesthetically it looks sweet.
The cons are that design-wise, the bike can't make up its mind. Suspension on the front wheel? An internal hub? Minimal handlebar height adjustment? Steel frame? All seem like strange choices for a modern road bike.
Also, it's got the i-Beam, so saddle choices are limited, unless you change seatposts. Other parts (like the derailleur) ought to be standard but I'd check on it first.
I'd also assume / have been told that, like most Dahons it's inadvisable to pull back on the handlebars, as it has lots of flex.
My guess is that the Speed Pro will fold better than, but perform as well as, a basic Swift or BF. Once you go above that level, you're paying more for things like drop bars, more gears, custom fit, lighter and more robust components etc., but the basic functionality doesn't change all that much. With new folders, once you're over $800, I think you are in the Land of Diminishing Returns....
I test rode one ... really not a bad bike at all. I ended up with a Bike Friday NWT since I wanted something more robust for sport touring and am sensitive to ergonomics. My guess is that almost everyone would notice the several differences between the bikes in both how they ride and how much they cost. The proprietary components of Dahon bikes also annoy me as well.
#4
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,117
Bikes: lots... even a Raleigh twenty !!!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
There was a thread not too long ago on it. Search appears to be busted, but it's probably only a few pages back.
The pros that I see are fast tires and TT bars, which look interesting but are rarely used on anything except fixies / SS / tri bikes. Dahon's fold is pretty good, better than BF and Swift imo. I also think it aesthetically it looks sweet.
The cons are that design-wise, the bike can't make up its mind. Suspension on the front wheel? An internal hub? Minimal handlebar height adjustment? Steel frame? All seem like strange choices for a modern road bike.
Also, it's got the i-Beam, so saddle choices are limited, unless you change seatposts. Other parts (like the derailleur) ought to be standard but I'd check on it first.
I'd also assume / have been told that, like most Dahons it's inadvisable to pull back on the handlebars, as it has lots of flex.
My guess is that the Speed Pro will fold better than, but perform as well as, a basic Swift or BF. Once you go above that level, you're paying more for things like drop bars, more gears, custom fit, lighter and more robust components etc., but the basic functionality doesn't change all that much. With new folders, once you're over $800, I think you are in the Land of Diminishing Returns....
The pros that I see are fast tires and TT bars, which look interesting but are rarely used on anything except fixies / SS / tri bikes. Dahon's fold is pretty good, better than BF and Swift imo. I also think it aesthetically it looks sweet.
The cons are that design-wise, the bike can't make up its mind. Suspension on the front wheel? An internal hub? Minimal handlebar height adjustment? Steel frame? All seem like strange choices for a modern road bike.
Also, it's got the i-Beam, so saddle choices are limited, unless you change seatposts. Other parts (like the derailleur) ought to be standard but I'd check on it first.
I'd also assume / have been told that, like most Dahons it's inadvisable to pull back on the handlebars, as it has lots of flex.
My guess is that the Speed Pro will fold better than, but perform as well as, a basic Swift or BF. Once you go above that level, you're paying more for things like drop bars, more gears, custom fit, lighter and more robust components etc., but the basic functionality doesn't change all that much. With new folders, once you're over $800, I think you are in the Land of Diminishing Returns....
Thanks for that :
Actually I use anything from 10spd Ultegra or 9spd XT through to 3 or 8 speed internal gear hubs on various bikes I own...horses for courses I say.
A bit scary about not pulling back on Dahons' bars, heck, how do you climb a mountain without doing some of that?
Some riders of small wheelers feel a non suspended front wheel/fork gives too harsh a ride, (Sheldon), I'm not too sure about that, I find mine bearable and I've had fractured tailbone and vertibrae.
for the Land of Diminishing Returns....been there...still doing it.
#5
Car free since 1995
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,050
Bikes: M5 Carbon High Racer, Trek Emonda SL6
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
6 Posts
I've never been on a Speed, but I used to own a Mu SL. People say the frame is much stiffer on the Mu, and I believe them...it was a very stiff bike. Dahon has hinge problems and stem problems, but they do a great job of providng a light bike at a low cost. The Mu SL is a 9-speed, though, as you probably know.
The suspension hub doesn't seem to do much, and the ride is indeed a bit harsh. I agree with the above comments. The bikes strength is its ability to quickly fold into a small package. I think the Dahons are second probably only to the Tikt in terms of time and ease of fold.
If you want a quality performance bike that avoids the hinge but still folds small, there's the (expensive) Birdy. Today, I rode with another biker on a 10-year-old Birdy that has been ridden nearly every day over that period. That probably won't happen on a Speed; the frame hinge and stem probably won't make it that long. If you don't need the folded package to be small, Friday.
The suspension hub doesn't seem to do much, and the ride is indeed a bit harsh. I agree with the above comments. The bikes strength is its ability to quickly fold into a small package. I think the Dahons are second probably only to the Tikt in terms of time and ease of fold.
If you want a quality performance bike that avoids the hinge but still folds small, there's the (expensive) Birdy. Today, I rode with another biker on a 10-year-old Birdy that has been ridden nearly every day over that period. That probably won't happen on a Speed; the frame hinge and stem probably won't make it that long. If you don't need the folded package to be small, Friday.
#6
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,117
Bikes: lots... even a Raleigh twenty !!!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by invisiblehand
I test rode one ... really not a bad bike at all. I ended up with a Bike Friday NWT since I wanted something more robust for sport touring and am sensitive to ergonomics. My guess is that almost everyone would notice the several differences between the bikes in both how they ride and how much they cost. The proprietary components of Dahon bikes also annoy me as well.
I've admired BF's ever since I found them on Google, I'm particularily fond of the Pocket Rocket and Pro as I used to road race, however these days commuting, touring with full panniers and general fitness riding leads me to a NWT with dropbars, I just wish they were easier to buy in Oz. Or I could try to get some S&S couplings and make my non folding R20s into folders for that tour around England.
#7
Professional Fuss-Budget
Originally Posted by stevegor
A bit scary about not pulling back on Dahons' bars, heck, how do you climb a mountain without doing some of that?
Basically, instead of standing in the saddle, you stay in the saddle, go to a low gear and spin at your regular cadence. When using this method, you relax your hands and upper body, as the typical "holding on for dear life" when climbing is unnecessary, wastes energy and might slightly affect your breathing. (This is how I usually climb anyway btw.)
Actual frame failure is pretty rare though, especially if you don't put too much strain on the handlepost on a regular basis.
#8
Raleigh20 PugFixie, Merc
Anecdotally I know of someone that's been through 2 SpeedPro frames and is on his third warranty replacement; Sadly I don't know where the failures were. I'd go the Mu way for a stronger frame - or - go mad beefing up a Downtube or Swift with trick components....
__________________
My Raleigh Twenty site | foldr : A flickr pool | #6460, #5632 & #3407 on the fixedgeargallery
My Raleigh Twenty site | foldr : A flickr pool | #6460, #5632 & #3407 on the fixedgeargallery
#9
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,117
Bikes: lots... even a Raleigh twenty !!!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
Sit & spin.
Basically, instead of standing in the saddle, you stay in the saddle, go to a low gear and spin at your regular cadence. When using this method, you relax your hands and upper body, as the typical "holding on for dear life" when climbing is unnecessary, wastes energy and might slightly affect your breathing. (This is how I usually climb anyway btw.)
Actual frame failure is pretty rare though, especially if you don't put too much strain on the handlepost on a regular basis.
Basically, instead of standing in the saddle, you stay in the saddle, go to a low gear and spin at your regular cadence. When using this method, you relax your hands and upper body, as the typical "holding on for dear life" when climbing is unnecessary, wastes energy and might slightly affect your breathing. (This is how I usually climb anyway btw.)
Actual frame failure is pretty rare though, especially if you don't put too much strain on the handlepost on a regular basis.
Yes, I normally do to, but sometimes when my lowest gear on my road bike is 39/23 and the gradient is way steeper than 10% in places it's hard not to strain the bars ...a little bit, but I am in agreement with your technique....it is a better way to climb. Maybe I should put slicks on the MTB and hillclimb train with that.
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Albany, WA
Posts: 7,393
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 321 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
6 Posts
Ironically, the cheaper steel Dahon handleposts are better - they dont suffer of any of the problems that the alu ones suffer from. You can stand and hammer just fine. They are stiffer, don't fold accidentally if you pull really hard and don't have the loosening bolt problem.
#11
Car free since 1995
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,050
Bikes: M5 Carbon High Racer, Trek Emonda SL6
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
6 Posts
Originally Posted by jur
Ironically, the cheaper steel Dahon handleposts are better - they dont suffer of any of the problems that the alu ones suffer from. You can stand and hammer just fine. They are stiffer, don't fold accidentally if you pull really hard and don't have the loosening bolt problem.
#12
Part-time epistemologist
Originally Posted by stevegor
I've admired BF's ever since I found them on Google, I'm particularily fond of the Pocket Rocket and Pro as I used to road race, however these days commuting, touring with full panniers and general fitness riding leads me to a NWT with dropbars, I just wish they were easier to buy in Oz. Or I could try to get some S&S couplings and make my non folding R20s into folders for that tour around England.
My apologies, but once again someone is demonstrating how geocentric we are in the US.
#13
Part-time epistemologist
Originally Posted by stevegor
I've admired BF's ever since I found them on Google, I'm particularily fond of the Pocket Rocket and Pro as I used to road race, however these days commuting, touring with full panniers and general fitness riding leads me to a NWT with dropbars, I just wish they were easier to buy in Oz. Or I could try to get some S&S couplings and make my non folding R20s into folders for that tour around England.
I have been pretty happy with my NWT ... although I should tell everyone that you need to be pretty careful with the folding process to prevent bending the front derailer and braze-on mount.
#14
é wot?
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Inner Canuckistan
Posts: 364
Bikes: Gary Fisher Montare, 1973 Bottechia, IRO Jamie Roy,1998 Cervelo Eyre Tri, 1982 Peugeot Sport fixed gear, and some kind of red bike hanging in the rafters
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by invisiblehand
Oz?
My apologies, but once again someone is demonstrating how geocentric we are in the US.
My apologies, but once again someone is demonstrating how geocentric we are in the US.
#15
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,117
Bikes: lots... even a Raleigh twenty !!!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by invisiblehand
Oz?
My apologies, but once again someone is demonstrating how geocentric we are in the US.
My apologies, but once again someone is demonstrating how geocentric we are in the US.
Sorry about that.....I mean "Terra Australis Incognita".....Australia.."The Great Southland"..home of convicts, bushrangers, sheepfarmers and bike riders.
#16
Part-time epistemologist
Very good ... thanks for clue'ing in the clueless (me).
#17
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,117
Bikes: lots... even a Raleigh twenty !!!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by invisiblehand
S&S couplings are sensitive to the shape of the tubes, however. Are the R20 tubes round?
I have been pretty happy with my NWT ... although I should tell everyone that you need to be pretty careful with the folding process to prevent bending the front derailer and braze-on mount.
I have been pretty happy with my NWT ... although I should tell everyone that you need to be pretty careful with the folding process to prevent bending the front derailer and braze-on mount.
Yes the R20 tubes are round.........I think oblong or oval shape would have blown everyones' mind in the 70"s . Does anyone know the size though, and if S&S couplings make them that size?