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Old 06-13-07, 10:03 PM   #1
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Denon Speed D7 vs Brand X

I have narrowed down my choice of my first folder to the Dahon Speed D7. I am 6', 205 pounds.

But I wonder if anyone has had first-hand knowledge of the "ALUMINUM FOLDING BICYCLES FOR BOATS RV'S BIKES FOR U". It's advertised on Ebay for about the same $300 price:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ALUMINUM-FOLDING...QQcmdZViewItem

I plan to stow the bike in the rear of an airplane and use it for local transportation between airports and surrounding areas. I was intrigued by brand x's claim to be only 22 pounds.

I am skeptical about advertised spec claims. Last year I bought and returned a Downtube, when (and still does) state in their ads a weight of about 5 pounds lighter and folded size much smaller than I eventually measured after delivery. (Insult to injury Downtube would not refund the shipping costs even after I emailed them my reasons for the return.)

Brand x offers a full refund only if returned it within 7 days from delivery. (No real test trial allowed.) Anyone out there who knows about this bike?

Thanks for your help!

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Old 06-13-07, 10:37 PM   #2
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I thought Denon made stereo equipment. Which model of Downtube did you purchase? As far as brand X you get what you pay for.
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get a smaller Curve D 3 from Dahon ..... much easier to stow in a plane..... I dont believe the 22 lbs in the ebay ad... much more likely 28 plus

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I think you mean Dahon, not Denon. I bought the Dahon Speed D7 ('06 model in Moroccan Blue) and couldn't be happier. I'm 5"11 and weigh 170 lbs. The web-retailer (brandscycle) and the manufacturer (Dahon) were both great to deal with, and Dahon has a great web-site and active user-forum to help out with any issues or questions you might have www.dahon.com

I live in NYC and www.brandscycle.com was able to deliver it to my home the day after I ordered it (it actually only took them 20 hours)! The entire price included free shipping and tax at $290
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22 pounds is a fantasy for that bike.
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For your needs you will be better served with a 16", I agree with Thor that the Curve D3 is an excellent choice for your needs.
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(I thought Denon made stereo equipment. Which model of Downtube did you purchase? As far as brand X you get what you pay for)

Yes, of course, not the stereo... DAHON. Anyhoo... I bought A Downtube 9SP FS2006. Not a bad bike overall, but they lied about the specs.

True, you get what you pay for, but I'm trying to compare 2 bikes of the same price (circa $300). One just happens to be without a brandname.

Aren't bike brands simply the sum of their parts? (You know, like desktop computers. The company simply saves you the work of finding components and assembly.)
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Aren't bike brands simply the sum of their parts? (You know, like desktop computers. The company simply saves you the work of finding components and assembly.)

Interesting ... but not quite true ... Bikes ( as least good ones ) have soul .... Some folks will not agree with me ..others will wholeheartedly


In other words the same parts on a different bike sometimes perform and feel totally different. And there is where the successful bike folks are making the difference .... its sometimes very small differences which make or break a bike... and its not enough to open a shimano catalog and spec their complete grouppos .... if the bike is not right it will be a desaster no matter what parts you hang on it...

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Aren't bike brands simply the sum of their parts? (You know, like desktop computers. The company simply saves you the work of finding components and assembly.)
Sort of, but the frame is one of the main determinants in the ride quality and reliability. And since the frame is the biggest part, bikes are known by the frame brand. But component quality is also important in determining overall ride quality - you can have a nice frame but if you load crap parts, then it may only be so-so.

Having said all that, at that price level, parts are mega-generic and there is little to choose from a parts perspective from one to another. So then it makes sense to go for the case which is either cheaper or has a better frame.

That ebay one is mega generic, it'll work to get you small distances over not too onerous roads, but I also call the 22lb weight in question, what with fenders and rack and so on. I would add 5lb to the 22.
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(get a smaller Curve D 3 from Dahon ..... much easier to stow in a plane..... I dont believe the 22 lbs in the ebay ad... much more likely 28 plus

I reasearched your suggestion online and it looks great! It seems a good compromise in terms of size, weight, useability, and price.

Now I'll look for a store in NYC where I can try it out.

Thanks everyone for the feedback!
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Old 06-15-07, 07:21 AM   #11
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Toga Bikes on 63rd and 1st has the Speed D7 in stock. Although it's the peasoup green 07 model, I believe you can still order the better looking (in my opinion....) cobalt blue '06 model....
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I have maybe 3 blue ones left , which means that they slowly dissapear from dealers all over.. but its a good exercise to google it and check it out.... No. I dont like the peegreen color either

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pea soup green

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I really had to chuckle....I got a lot of grief (good-natured, actually) from my fellow Dahonistas who carefully expalined to me that the color is not pea soup (or better yet, peesoup), but instead it's officially designated as "sage green".

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