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    another new guy to the fold...

    hi guys- i just returned home from a day in the car, driving through dallas. what fun. the good news is that when i got home i found that i'd won a sweet little raleigh twenty! i'm new to this forum and folders, but not new to raleighs. i have a sports and a tourist, both of which i love. now i have three. i'm hoping to find a clean international to top it all off, but i'm really looking forward to getting my twenty up and running. i'm sure i'll use all the talent, brains and experience on this forum for help. i haunt audiokarma as well, a vintage stereo forum... just thought i'd say hi. "hi".

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    I know there's more than a few R20 owners here that will chime-in in just a little bit, but let me be the first to say....... Welcome to the fold!
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    Welcome to the Twenty Fold. You'll never look back!


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    thanks lp and dvc. i'm really looking forward to getting mine and getting started on it. i'm sure there are threads here for mods on the raleighs...uh, like what are some good wheels for them. i think i'm going to keep her fairly stock, but new wheels, tires, brooks saddle, stem, fork... oh, okay, maybe not entirely stock... but it'll sill say raleigh... little pix that twenty of yours is sweet. i saw it before as i was looking through here. there are some nice folders. damn.

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    Yes what a fantastic looking bike LittlePixel

    It's incredible what some people do with mods and upgrades on these folders. Sheer technical and engineering genius sometimes.

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    hi guys- the twenty showed up yesterday! she looks great, in an old bike that needs me kind of way. it's got chrome fenders and i'm going to replace them with planet bike, going to get new wheels, any suggestions? i want to keep the SA hub and raliegh crank at least for now. i'll need a new seat stem- 400mm, but what diameter? man i am a weenie... sorry. i know that i can find this here if i look long enough, but if one of you would be so kind as to chime in that would be dandy... i might need a new headset and stem, and new bars, but if i don't i won't... i will need new brakes... what kind will fit? and i should get new brake levers too... what are some cool ones?!
    i know i know, the search tool is my friend, i'm off to do that, but feel free to help out if you'd like!! thanks, i'm pretty excited!

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    28.6 mm seatpost, I think.

    Consider the brake upgrade and wheel upgrade together. The brake options are somewhat different, depending whether you go with 20 x 1 3/8" or 20 x 1.5" rims. When I upgraded mine I didn't like the rim options in 28-h so got an old 36-h hub and a SA 36-h drum brake hub in the front. If you got a new rear hub, you'd have the option of coaster or roller brake back there, possibly drum brake as well (does anyone know of a way to mount a disk brake?).

    A 1" threadless headset will work with the existing fork; keep the threaded top nut from the original headset. That gives you the option to either use the existing stem binder, and thus the original handlebar/stem, or replace them.

    You want a Raleigh International, eh? I don't... not really ... well, not bad enough to... well, you decide:
    I went into my local grocery store a few years ago, and as I was going in, I saw a gleaming gold International leaning up against the flower display in front of the store, complete with Brooks saddle, toe clips... like a time machine. Appeared to be a 22.5" frame, just my size. Not locked. The little devil on my shoulder said "what kind of an ******* would leave that bike unlocked? ..." Then something called my attention to the fact that I was carrying a 5-year old girl in other arm, which limited my options ... 'cuz ... man, that was temptation!

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    thanks rhm- man, the international story sent chills up my spine! damn! when i was a kid i lost my sting-ray the same way- went into a drugstore for just a minute, when i came out, she was gone...
    wow, i'd love to have that raleigh! i'd probably wait until the guy came out of the store- to keep an eye on his bike for him- and then ask him if he wanted to sell that old clunker...

    thanks for the advice about the twenty too. i'm just getting back into bikes after a long time away. trying to find my "inner-child" or whatever. i'm going to take her in to a LBS tomorrow and see what kind of wheels i can put on. they build them there, so it should be easy. and $$! and smart answer- consider the brakes and the wheels together... i'll be scrounging everything off ebay and craigs except maybe the wheels... do canti's make sense? i want to do the least possible to the frame, no braze-ons, no drilling, etc.
    thanks again. this is going to be fun! i'll post pics of my before...

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    Cantilever or V brakes both require brazeons, and though there are doodads to attach that type of brake w/o braze-ons, I don't know anyone who's tried 'em.
    That's why I got this front hub:
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...id=8481&type=T
    but note, with that option, the 20" wheels put out more power than the headlights are expecting, so you'd have to be innovative with your headlight setup. If you don't need the power there's this:
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=HU2202
    I dont' think the cost of those hubs is too bad if you add up what you'd spend on a different hub plus a brake and whatever it takes to mount the brake.
    There are rear hubs with brakes too, of course... but I'm not finding much on the internet right now:
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=HU2502
    is not cheap.
    Someone put a 24" wheel on the rear of a twenty... if that works, you might get away with a smallish rim brake.

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    i love the idea of the front dynamo hub/brake. does it require that i have the fork filed or widened to fit? i don't want to screw my bike up! and with the front drum, do you also have a rear brake, or just the front? man, that's a nice elegant solution! where can i see pics of your twenty? THANKS! i love this stuff!

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    I don't remember whether I had to file the front dropouts, sorry! Probably did. Probably had to spread them a little, too; but as I recall it was no big deal.

    I do have a rear brake, some kind of BMX brake, but it's useless. When I squeeze the lever really hard, it makes a loud squealing noise that's totally out of proportion to its stopping power, which is practically nil. I don't like it, but a smaller brake would interfere with the fenders (I have painted fenders). I am considering switching the rear hub from the SA-3 to a Shimano Nexus-4 that I have; the gear range is a little wider and it has a roller brake at the hub. That's just talk, though.

    Nexus-4's are discontinued, but you can still find them with a little patience:
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product-S...-hole-6819.htm

    But if I had to buy one new, I'd probably go for an 8-speed with the roller brake:http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=HU7860

    I haven't taken any pics, sorry. But there's not much to see. Boring green original paint, nothing impressive... it looks pretty much like a Raleigh Twenty!

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    thanks rhm. i'll talk to the lbs and see what they can do with he front dynamo hub. i think that's a great way to go... and i'll get some pics up soon, though mine will be boring as well!

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    It sounds like the bike is quite original.You may want to consider just cleaning it up and enjoying it as is.There IS a collector market for them.Now I'm not promoting the buy and sell for profit thing(that just drives the prices up) but if you make those changes it's no longer original and has lost a lot of it's value and collectability.Limits your options if you ever do decide to sell it.Here's a pic of mine.It's a 1969 and is totally mint and original(except for the red bmx tire.Haven't had a chance to change it).Even the lovely plaid picnic basket.I can't imagine modifying it.It's too original.
    Sorry shot with camera phone......


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    Oh my! I can understand why you wouldn't want to fool with that wonderful little bike. What a great colour, and the matching plaid picnic basket really adds to it.

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    ....and don't sell them short.They cruise along pretty good as is.I've surprised more than a few road bikers on it when I pass them or they pass me and can't lose me.The Twenty has the same chainring as the 26" tired Sport.With the Sturmey Archer hub the gearing is really good.With the tires pumped good and hard it rolls easy once you get it rolling.They ARE NOT light.But at least they feel like a real bike not a toy.
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    Hey there, we have 2 things in common: Raleigh 20s and Audio Karma (I collect older Marantz receivers).

    I just bought mine and have started the long process of modifying it. Hopefully it'll be ready by next spring. So far, I got myself 2 ALEX rims in the 451mm sizing, Primo Comet tires and Shimano Deore XT front and rear hubs with a 9-speed cog... I've cold setted the rear dropouts to 135mm... I'm in the process of fixing some issues I have with clearance of the smallest cog. I also have to braze a rear derailleur hanger. Lots of issues, but it's worth it at the end, you'll see!

    Welcome aboard!

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    hey bikeguy- that 20 is sweet. i love the basket. mine is the same color but i have chrome fenders. i understand keeping it original, but mine is missing both brakes and i haven't been able to find replacements yet. i do have a sports and a tourist that are both original, so i know what you mean. i don't want to modify the frame if i don't have to, and i love the original color, but i also want to make her fit me better!

    and time-bandit- i just got a pair of large advents and will pick up another pair of klh's this weekend. never thought i'd collect speakers, but they just seem to multiply! i love vintage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseskunk View Post
    hey bikeguy- that 20 is sweet. i love the basket. mine is the same color but i have chrome fenders. i understand keeping it original, but mine is missing both brakes and i haven't been able to find replacements yet. i do have a sports and a tourist that are both original, so i know what you mean. i don't want to modify the frame if i don't have to, and i love the original color, but i also want to make her fit me better!

    and time-bandit- i just got a pair of large advents and will pick up another pair of klh's this weekend. never thought i'd collect speakers, but they just seem to multiply! i love vintage!
    The brakes on mine are weinemann but it appears that any set of side pull brake off a generic dep't store middleweight or a parts Raleigh would do.As for making the bike fit you better(I'm 5'11"),all you need is a longer seat post(I got mine out of a cheap suspension mtn bike).The handlebars can come up quite high.
    I just love the feeling of tick tick ticking(SA hub)past people on it.You think they're gonna tell their co-workers about getting pumped off by a little green bike(with the basket)?I've had guys get up onto the pedals to get back around me.PRICELESS!!!

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