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    Bike Friday sale

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    We are getting ready for 2008 by clearing out our bike inventory so we don't have to pay taxes on it and to help feed our Global Warming Abatement Mission. This means great savings for you and your friends - our favorite people to work with! So we're telling you first!

    Bikes to clear out by December 15th:

    Pre-loved Bikes
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    1 - tikitTM

    New Stock Bikes
    6 - Small 8spd tikitsTM
    19 -Medium 8spd tikitsTM
    5 - Large 8spd tikitsTM
    2 - Pocket Rockets 16spd
    20 -New World Tourists (8, 16, 24, 27spd)

    *Call for prices and to see what size would fit you best. 1-800-777-0258

    Inventory Blowout Sale details:

    * Order a Pre-loved Friday by December 15th and get 10-50% off the current pre-loved price. Each bike is unique so the sooner you call the more likely we can match your needs and plans. Up to $1000 value.
    (We re-fit & refurbish it and offer a full warranty before we ship it to you)

    * Order a New Stock Bike by December 15th and get 10% off the retail price, plus a Free Travel Bag by Christmas! There aren't very many, so call now. All sizes S, M, L available while supplies last. Up to $198 value.

    * Order a 2008 Custom Bike Friday at the 2007 price. The dollar has fallen dramatically against most other foreign currencies (30% against the Euro alone). Since few bike components are built in the U.S. we purchase components from many other countries. This forces us to raise prices significantly in January. Order a Bike Friday of your choice in your size and color by December 21st for 2008 delivery and pay the 2007 price.(This offer applies for all participating dealers)

    * Ask about Built To Order tikitsTM. We offer 4 models of custom tikitsTM and prices will be rising in 2008! We are getting lots of great reviews so when you call, ask to see some reviews. See A to B review here

    * 2007 prices on the Bike Friday website are valid through the end of December. They will be rising 8-15% for 2008.
    *Order by December 8th and choose 1/2 off a BF Jersey or any of the other items listed in the Holiday Gift Ideas section below.

    Give us a call and talk to one of our personable bike consultants - that's what they love to do! We can also help you find a Bike Friday Dealer in your area. Call 1-800-777-0258 and mention magic code 1434

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblehand View Post
    Just announced ....

    * 2007 prices on the Bike Friday website are valid through the end of December. They will be rising 8-15% for 2008.
    Sounds like the sinking value of the Dollar is beginning to come home to roost!

    Glad we purchased out BF's earlier this yr.

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    What a load of bull. First of all, we all know that the majority of the price on a BF isn't paying for components. It's paying for a custom made frame built to specification. Second of all, I understand that prices will go up all around, but why is it that BF is increasing prices more relative to the foreign competition?

    Being a US company selling frames made in the US, they should be able more effectively stave off price increases than the likes of Pacific Cycles, Dahon, etc. Yet, for some reason, I see foreign made bikes going down in price while BFs go up in price.

    I also don't like how they're advertising percentages off instead of actual prices. 10% off doesn't mean anything if it's a preowned bike priced 10% too high to begin with. I'm very interested in knowing what the price of that "pre-loved" tikit is, but I'm not going to jump through hoops to find out.
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    The frame isn't the costliest part of their product. The components are. Friday makes custom bikes and only orders components on an as needed basis. They are not like most of the manufacturers and order parts by the 1000s. They therefore do not get the deep discount that say Trek would. Friday pays what you shop pays for the componets which is quite a bit more. This on the plus side allows them to truly customize your bike. Roger

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    I, too, would like to know the pre 10% off price.

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    Most of the pre-owned bikes, their prices and their serial numbers are shown on their website. There are even pictures of most of the them.

    http://www.bikefriday.com/PreOwned

    The pre-owned tikit, however, is not shown from what I can see.

    Suggestion - Give them a call. It is an 800 number and it is free.

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    Why is a Fixed Gear BF so much more than a basic, 8sp model ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=Ģem in Pa=- View Post
    Why is a Fixed Gear BF so much more than a basic, 8sp model ?
    This page explains it pretty well if you are referring to the tikit:

    http://www.bikefriday.com/tikit/bto

    Just about any other bike can be ordered as a fixed gear, and will be custom built. (In reading what's posted here on Forum.net, it's likely anybody wanting a fixed gear bike will have specific hardware & paint preferences, too.)

    Hey, I retired from selling in 2000 (telephone systems, not bikes). This is too much like work!

    Give them a call, they're easy to deal with - it's Eugene, OR & not the big city.

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    Thanks F-2

    Im familiar with them and actually have been in touch with them.
    I want to see a Pacific Trekker and Dahon Smoothhound too, though.....

    They were recently hiring The ad said you get to build a bike for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by makeinu View Post
    What a load of bull. First of all, we all know that the majority of the price on a BF isn't paying for components. It's paying for a custom made frame built to specification. Second of all, I understand that prices will go up all around, but why is it that BF is increasing prices more relative to the foreign competition?

    Being a US company selling frames made in the US, they should be able more effectively stave off price increases than the likes of Pacific Cycles, Dahon, etc. Yet, for some reason, I see foreign made bikes going down in price while BFs go up in price.

    I also don't like how they're advertising percentages off instead of actual prices. 10% off doesn't mean anything if it's a preowned bike priced 10% too high to begin with. I'm very interested in knowing what the price of that "pre-loved" tikit is, but I'm not going to jump through hoops to find out.
    I agree. It's ironic that the major folder company building bikes in the USA is blaming the falling dollar for price increases when we don't hear that from the sellers that source everything from overseas. I don't think many bike components are denominated in Euros anyway; except the Rohloff hub - which is a minority demand item. More like poor communications and pricing strategy. It seems inept marketing to introduce new models like the BTO (build to order) Tikit and then almost immediately announce price increases. That said I have to say I bought two machines this year from Bike Friday and have been very satisfied with the product and reasonably satisfied with the service. Good product, but irritating marketing rubs the wrong way - one just needs to shrug it off I suppose.

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    The have 20 unsold New World Tourists and 30 Tikits. That's over 50K in inventory they probably won't move until next summer. Add, all the costs associated with the failed recumbent and now you know why they are raising prices.

    The Tikit hasn't hit the world by storm. I've only seen one in New York City since it was released. They are really counting on this bike to make up sales.

    Why should we be surprised about the increase? Bike Friday has always raised prices. You noticed they didn't list the prices of the unsold inventory did you?

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    They haven't always raised prices. The price of the Family Tandem has gone up and down over the years, often down.

    8-15% price increase is not that large. Figure some of that is inflation and some is from the deflated dollar. Shipping costs (important for raw materials) have also gone up a fair amount and this will impact the price of the bikes. Component prices are going to be higher on the customs (which use nice components) vs the stock models (that use commodity components). I'd expect the 8% price increase on the cheaper models.

    They don't list the prices of the used bikes in this email because they have 20 of them. You need to call to order anyway (they don't do internet orders) so it doesn't hurt to call and inquire. The pricing on the new Tikits is obvious, it is 10% off of the list $1195 price, plus you get a free bag (around a $50 value).

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    Quote Originally Posted by awetmore View Post
    They haven't always raised prices. The price of the Family Tandem has gone up and down over the years, often down.

    8-15% price increase is not that large. Figure some of that is inflation and some is from the deflated dollar. Shipping costs (important for raw materials) have also gone up a fair amount and this will impact the price of the bikes. Component prices are going to be higher on the customs (which use nice components) vs the stock models (that use commodity components). I'd expect the 8% price increase on the cheaper models.

    They don't list the prices of the used bikes in this email because they have 20 of them. You need to call to order anyway (they don't do internet orders) so it doesn't hurt to call and inquire. The pricing on the new Tikits is obvious, it is 10% off of the list $1195 price, plus you get a free bag (around a $50 value).

    alex
    I've been coming up with all kinds of reasons why I could really use a Tikit in 2008...hmmmm...I was going to hold off until April or May, but perhaps I should pull the trigger now....????
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    The Euro has appeciated greatly verses the US dollar, but the Japanese Yen, where most components are sourced, has not changed that much in value against the US dollar. Also the Chinese have only, and reluctantly, recently raised the value of their currency vs the US dollar. Bike Friday just has a policy, I was informed by an employee, of raising retail prices every year, regardless of inflation or currency gyrations. So if you want a Bike Friday, you just have to pay the piper, or buy used from a previous owner.
    I visited the BF factory/sales office this past August and was excited about a purchase, but I was told that BF never offers a 10% discount. Five percent was the most I could hope for. But I have been interested in BF's for years and was familiar with the 10% end-of-year sell off. So I purchased a Dahon Smooth Hound.
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    Offer in an e-mail from Hanna Scholz of Bike Friday to all Portland Bridge pedal participants on Aug 21, 2007:

    "We feel the Bridge Pedal is a demonstration of what can be. Clearly so does Portland. To thank you and show our pride in you and Oregon we are offering all who took part in this exceptional event of 22,000 self-powered people, our "Best Neighbors in Global Warming Abatement" offer. It includes $200 of Accessories or upgrades when you order any Bike Friday model.

    And, if you plan to ride your new Bike Friday to work, let us know and we'll include a commuting package valued at over $100, which includes a book written by one of our customers on best commuting methods. It's free whether you just plan to try bicycle commuting or do it already. This offer is our way of encouraging ONE LESS CAR !"


    We took advantage of this offer and ordered a NWT for me and a Crusoe for the wife. It amounted to more than 10% - likely 15% on my bike. The commuter free-bee included a set of fenders for both bikes. So there are some better than 5% specials.

    We had visited the factory/showroom in Feb 2007, so this was just the push needed to get us to place our order.

    [By the way, I had rode the 2007 8-bridge pedal (24.5 miles) on my now previous bike, a 7-speed Dahon Boardwalk. So it was an UPGRADE purchase.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by awetmore View Post
    They don't list the prices of the used bikes in this email because they have 20 of them. You need to call to order anyway (they don't do internet orders) so it doesn't hurt to call and inquire. The pricing on the new Tikits is obvious, it is 10% off of the list $1195 price, plus you get a free bag (around a $50 value).

    alex
    Bike Friday doesn't list the price because they are expensive. If they listed the price on their bikes, less people would buy which is why they want you to call so their sales staff can apply pressure to change your mind. Bike Friday no longer calls me anymore but it was quite common to receive a call every three months from their sales staff.

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    I wonder if they are really so expensive... I have no idea, what is a BF price?

    I would compare that against a good or excellent quality road bike, not against other folders. A good roadie over here would set you back not a penny less than AU$2000, in fact you'd be very lucky to an Ultegra-equipped bike at that, with maybe carbon seat stays, and on a special.

    So shouldn't in all fairness BFs be compared against that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
    Bike Friday doesn't list the price because they are expensive.
    Huh?

    They are expensive, but you can get prices on their website. How about this:

    http://www.bikefriday.com/node/4967?styleId=1666

    or this:

    http://www.bikefriday.com/node/4996?styleId=1667 ?

    I believe that most of the bikes that they sell are custom, so these are examples. When I bought mine I started with one of their sample designs and had them make changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    I wonder if they are really so expensive... I have no idea, what is a BF price?

    So shouldn't in all fairness BFs be compared against that?
    Ultimately, I think that you have to compare them against something actually made in the US or EU. So look at what a nice Tikit costs, and that's pretty similar to what a well equipped (read lightened) Brompton costs. I think they are both quality bikes produced by similar types of craftsmen.

    It's pretty obvious that China can produce vast amounts of goods at very low prices. This is news to no one. The quality of product that you get from China varies, but over the last 10 years, they have improved a staggering amount. I still get the feeling that they are an economic house of cards in some ways, but in general, they can build about as good of equipment as anyone else.

    What you get from Brompton and Bike Friday is a more personalized treatment and a product that is more of a niche market. China supplies to the masses, the niches are all that's left. From my perspective, I get the knowledge that by buying a Bike Friday, I'm supporting an American company. A Brit can feel a touch better about himself by buying a Brompton and knowing that he is supporting an English company. I really feel like there is an intrinsic value in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    I would compare that against a good or excellent quality road bike, not against other folders. A good roadie over here would set you back not a penny less than AU$2000, in fact you'd be very lucky to an Ultegra-equipped bike at that, with maybe carbon seat stays, and on a special.
    At the current Aus/U.S.A. exchange rate, that $2,000 Austrailian bike would cost $2,260 in American $.

    Some other history here - in the early 1950's Japan was what China is now; the manufacturer of knock-offs and generally cheap goods. Some on here might even remember the "Made in Occupied Japan" stamps on items into the early 50's. One of their first great quality items was 35mm cameras. At first they were copies of European brands, then Canon and Nikon emerged as high quality products.

    Running a small, American manufacturing company has never been easy, and certainly not today. They have had to create an image, create reasons to own an expensive folding bike, make sales, that's after coming up with and refining a design, tooling up a factory, hiring employees and then making payroll and operations expenses every week/month. No easy feat.

    Few products sell themselves - IPODs may seem to, but they spend lots of money on store fronts and advertising, etc. to make you want them. BF's sales consultants cannot force you to buy a bike! You get to decide on your own - they help you design a bike to meet your needs - if you could do it on your own, you'd do it in your garage. (I sold telephone/PBX systems of all sizes (from '82- '00) - 99.9% of customers could not configure or install their own system, that was my function as a sales consultant. Same with BF.

    They have sold 17,000+ bikes since the their inception. The bikes hold-up well and used models bring good prices. They are doing something right.

    Our daughter went to the Univ of Oregon, and we owned a house in Eugene from '86 - '92 where she lived and rented out rooms to other students. We came to really like Eugene, and we're happy to support a local business like Bike Friday by purchasing two bikes.

    The other facet of their business proposition folks seem to miss is the SUPPORT. Try getting parts or service at the factory from the other folding bike manufacturers. Having that reachable, and trained customer service dept. doesn't come cheap.

    Just thought I'd share some experience - also known as "your age is showing".
    Last edited by Foldable Two; 12-02-07 at 10:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldable Two View Post
    Few products sell themselves - IPODs may seem to, but they spend lots of money on store fronts and advertising, etc. to make you want them. BF's sales consultants cannot force you to buy a bike! You get to decide on your own - they help you design a bike to meet your needs...
    I don't think iPods sell themselves; they are smartly marketed to be integrated into iTunes and other iPod add-ons (speaker systems, alarm clocks, etc.) which position them as a "necessity" even if they are not; you don't need an iPod to garner the benefits of iTunes.

    But you're right in suggesting that BF realizes the tikit won't sell itself, not with all the other alternative bikes around. Thus BF is trying to position the tikit as a complement to the commuting solution, the oil solution, the global warming solution. I'm down with their philosophy, but so far, I don't think they've created the "necessity" component just yet. I think they'd be more successful if they priced the tikit in the $500-$700 range, but this would overtax their current workforce for not much profit (at least what is considered profit nowadays) so they're almost forced to keep the prices high. Sucks to be a company trying to fill the needs of a niche market. Even Greenspeed bit the bullet and sent one model overseas for mass production. I think Greenspeed is doing well, but I'm sure they have stories to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldable Two View Post
    At the current Aus/U.S.A. exchange rate, that $2,000 Austrailian bike would cost $2,260 in American $.
    Actually $2000AUS = $1770USA. The Aussie dollar is slightly weaker than the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWaB View Post
    Actually $2000AUS = $1770USA. The Aussie dollar is slightly weaker than the US.
    For now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldable Two View Post
    At the current Aus/U.S.A. exchange rate, that $2,000 Austrailian bike would cost $2,260 in American $.

    Some other history here - in the early 1950's Japan was what China is now; the manufacturer of knock-offs and generally cheap goods. Some on here might even remember the "Made in Occupied Japan" stamps on items into the early 50's. One of their first great quality items was 35mm cameras. At first they were copies of European brands, then Canon and Nikon emerged as high quality products.

    Running a small, American manufacturing company has never been easy, and certainly not today. They have had to create an image, create reasons to own an expensive folding bike, make sales, that's after coming up with and refining a design, tooling up a factory, hiring employees and then making payroll and operations expenses every week/month. No easy feat.

    Few products sell themselves - IPODs may seem to, but they spend lots of money on store fronts and advertising, etc. to make you want them. BF's sales consultants cannot force you to buy a bike! You get to decide on your own - they help you design a bike to meet your needs - if you could do it on your own, you'd do it in your garage. (I sold telephone/PBX systems of all sizes (from '82- '00) - 99.9% of customers could not configure, or install their own system ) that was my function as a sales consultant. Same with BF.

    They have sold 17,000+ bikes since the their inception. The bikes hold-up well and used models bring good prices. They are doing something right.

    Our daughter went to the Univ of Oregon, and we owned a house in Eugene from '86 - '92 where she lived and rented out rooms to other students. We came to really like Eugene, and were happy to support a local business like Bike Friday by purchasing two bikes.

    The other facet of their business proposition folks seem to miss is the SUPPORT. Try getting parts or service at the factory from the other folding bike manufacturers. Having that reachable, and trained customer service dept. doesn't come cheap.

    Just thought I'd share some experience - also known as "your age is showing".
    Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
    Bike Friday doesn't list the price because they are expensive. If they listed the price on their bikes, less people would buy which is why they want you to call so their sales staff can apply pressure to change your mind. Bike Friday no longer calls me anymore but it was quite common to receive a call every three months from their sales staff.
    They don't hide the prices, they just didn't stick them in the email because it would be huge. You can see the prices of used bikes here:
    http://www.bikefriday.com/PreOwned

    That is the second link on their homepage under "Order Bicycles".

    I haven't had any sales pressure from Bike Friday. They called me once when the Tikit first came out to see if I was interested (because I had told them that I was), and I told them that I planned on waiting for a model with an internal hub. They didn't call me back after that -- I called them when I decided that I would just order a derailleur model.

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