bangkok

Found this at a Taiwanese site ... a 3 wheeled CarryMe called the CarryAll ...

Amuro Lee

Is there any information about this from Pacific Cycles?

makeinu

that's interesting...although I'd think if I needed to carry that much stuff I'd just take a bigger bike

Weakling

couldn't it work as a kind of shopping Trolley? Me not English so not sure what word is best. Shopping Cart? The two rear wheels could work as the tool you have when you move from one apartment to another. You put your things in boxes and then use this tool to take it from the Lorry to the elevator. In storages at big department stores they use such to move things from Lorry to Storage and from storage to the store? Old Ladies use a smaller version to take home heavy things from the food store. And if you like Beer you could use very small foldable such to take home a whole package of Beer. We name them "Pirra" not sure why we have such unusal name for them. what is the most usual name in English? Shopping Cart or Shopping Trolley? Link to a catalog with pictures would be cool. sorry derail. I like the concept of using a trike the way Carryall is constructed. If it works like a ordinary popular Cart that would be a real bonus cause such are allowed everywhere. If you bike in the big city and need to go into a shop then you are not allowed to take a bike with you. A Shopping Cart is allowed. They realize you will buy a heavy thing and have to use it. the footprint being so small folded is a bonus too. So I really hope it work out for Pacific. They should have praise for at cool bike. A bit expensive maybe. Velorution will most likely sell them in London. I live in Sweden so the chance is very little it will be sold here. We are too few inhabs.

Amuro Lee

There's another bike called "Carry Bike" in Japan which can be transformed into a luggage carrier.

https://store.yahoo.co.jp/myagency/carrybike.html
https://www.myagency.jp/ricomend/carrybike.html
https://fukuda.tw/fukuda2005/CarryBikeLargeSize.html
https://www.rakuten.co.jp/matsui-auto/803265/952432/

Amuro Lee

There is a close up picture of Carry Bike on the catalogue
https://fukuda.tw/fukuda2005/CarryBikeLargeSize.pdf





8" Front wheels


16" Rear wheel


3-speed internal-gear hub

nekohime

Dammit, Japan has all the cool bikes!! Why did I ever move from there?!?!?!?!?!

Weakling

I think the Carryall should be more reliable than the Carry Bike? To have the two wheels in front is problematic when we need to turn left or right. Not they have a one spring suspension for the left one and another for the right one.

I wish we could find somebody in Japan that could write a review in English about Carry bike and to also test out Carryall so we could have a good comparison between them.

Carry bike is not as costly as Carryall. Carry bike costs some 38.000 Yen. That is not much as I get it. Carryall most likely will cost double that price.

What would it cost to import one to Europe?

makeinu

The more I think about it the more I don't really like this bike. Any place where I would be carrying a large package like that would probably have enough space for any size folding bike. Furthermore, the two rear wheels of the Carryall would take up a lot of space on the road, making it difficult to dodge pedestrians and obstacles. I don't see the advantage of having such small wheels for this kind of bike.

The Carrybike looks a little better with it's large rear wheel, 3 speed hub, and ability to fold without tilting the package it's carrying. Still, I would need to travel a long way on smooth roads for it to be better than a simple shopping cart (not a cycle cart) and here in the US that usually means there would be plenty of space for a larger utility trike like this one:
https://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...duct_id=882975
Which would probably be able to handle much more varied road conditions.

Weakling

They have more about them here
https://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_s...ulttrikes.html
I fail to find a pic of them folded but I would be surprised if my shop allowed me to use that one when I shop. Too big wheels. The crowded busses and communter trains we have here. Would bark at it at rush hour too.

But a Carryall or a Carry Bike with some cloth on it so people doesn't get hooked on pedals sticking out would be accepted cause the footprint is the same as the accepted shopping carts. Their footprint are less than a folded Rollator or folded Walker. while the Worksman Wakmart Tricycle would have a footprint more like a Wheechair unfolded?

Your preffed one may work better on icy streets though.

the carryall looks very neat in the picture. I would like it to have a Sturmer 8 so it could take big hills.

makeinu

Yeah, you are right. Lately I have only been using my folding bikes to carry into buildings. I had forgotten that most people use them for multimode transportation!

Weakling

I tested a clumsy solution. I took my biggest shopping cart. Attached it to the back of my Microbike.

https://flickr.com/photos/8233858@N05...7600645923733/

Behind the saddle stem plenty of space to put it there.

then when I arrived at the sop I sat down folded the bike and put it into the Shopping cart.

But weighting some 10kg plus it tipped the Shopping cart several times so I decided to use the Microbike as the shopping cart next time and they accepted it. But in buses and trains they get angry if I don't fold it. And even then some of them don't want it until I show a letter saying that this bike is allowed even during rush hour. But that is an old agreement they could cancel any time.

so if the Carrmy designer has done a good job then the Carryall could be the best compromise I know.

Carrybike is kind of too top heavy. And if it is wet outside and you fold the Carrybike the water from the rear wheel will drip down from way up while the Carryall having a soaking wet rear wheels and front wheels their wheels are way down compared to the Carrybike. Carryall much less top heavy too.

What I am very disappointed with the design of Carryall is the lack of gears. They should have put a Sturmer 8 gear internal hub thing there or a Shimano 7 gear or any other good internal hub thing. That is needed when doing long slopes or hills for us who are weak in muscle.

makeinu

Yes, I agree it is a big advantage that the Carryme/Carryall are bottom heavy. Makes the folded bike very stable despite being so tall.

However, don't you think that if you loaded up a regular Carryme along with a large backpack that the total weight would be too much already? Regardless of how much you can fit on the bike, there is a limit to how much you can lift up/down the stairs of buses/train-stations. I don't think I could lift more than I could fit on the Carryme racks and more than I could hold on my back.

Look here:

Weakling

Yes for me as a Weakling, (vekling means Weakling) that look heavy. I usually have a Rug Sack on my back with the food in or other things me by.

I would use elevators but they are not always available. Sometimes they have things for Mom and Dad having a children carrier. Forgot the English name.

Could one build a complement to the Carryme so it could have a fold out extra rear wheel that take up heavy loads only while it is folded?

bangkok

The CarryAll tricycle now announced at the Pacific website:

https://www.pacific-cycles.com/news_d...&cat0=2&cat=22

Weakling

Looking forward to that they present it with more specification and more close up pictures and price at their homepage.
Thanks for linking to it. Damn that I live too far away from what happens.

I want to test ride a Carryme and compare to how it is to ride the Carryall.
Hope they will sell well. They look great.

When I first saw them I thought. What ugly ducklings. Now they look like wonderful gadgets.

Have you ride the Carryme? Does it ride well. Are you happy with it?

makeinu

I posted my response to this question in the Carryme thread. I think it would be better to keep discussion about the two bikes separate, don't you?

makeinu

In the world of recumbent trikes, a trikes with two front wheels ("tadpole trikes") are generally considered to have better handling than trikes with two rear wheels ("delta trikes").

I'm not sure if this would apply to the Carryall and the Carrybike.

The small wheels on the Carryme are not much of a disadvantage because the quick handling allows you to avoid all obstacles with ease. With three wheel tracks instead of one there are three times as many obstacles to avoid and with slower trike handling there is less of an ability to avoid them. It could be dangerous. For example, if you are going up a ramp between street and sidewalk, one rear wheel might miss the ramp and end up jumping the curb, which could cause you to crash if the height of the curb is greater than 8".

Also, I would imagine that the Carryall is significantly heavier than the Carryme. The third wheel alone probably doesn't weigh much, but you also have the bigger rear frame and longer, stronger rear axle (plus extra set of breaks).

Of course I haven't ridden the Carryall so I'm just speculating. For all I know it could be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but from my armchair the Carrybike looks like a better prospect for a rideable shopping cart.

Weakling

Carrybike is less expensive too? but look at Carryme and Carrybike, doesn't Carryme look like a more sturdy and long lasting one? It looks well built to me. But I am not good at discerning such.

Carryme weight only 8+Kg but doesn't Carrybike weight much more than that and being as top heavy as it is that should be a disadvantage for me being a weakling.

Hey I could buy both. I love bikes but I prefer to test ride them first. But I live too far from where they sell them.

bangkok

Press release at the Pacific site ref launch of the CarryMe trike with production in 2008; 9.6 kg for 3 wheels ... better than most folders that have only 2.

https://www.pacific-cycles.com/news_d...&cat0=2&cat=23

Weakling

bangkok, thanks for that info and link. Maybe I could use that one in winter when it is icy in the streets.

Hope it is not that much more expensive compared to Carryme. It didn't say if it had gears in hub? So maybe it is a single speed then. I wish they had the specification on their site.