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    Question about the BF tikitís folding stem?

    I really like the way the BF tikit folds, quick with no need to reset seat or handle bar height every time you unfold the bike. What I would like to know from any tikit owners is how well the cable release folding stem is holding up over time? Has there been any need to re-tension cables? Any increase in play in the clamp?

    I donít really like the blue colour of the original tikit so I would probably go for a built to order bike.

    (this is my first post so Iíll put up an intro in another post)

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    Hi Paul,

    I've had my Tikit for over a month now and fold my bike multiple times a day. So far the cable has not needed any adjustment and has not lost any tension. It is a very beefy cable [~4mm] so I don't expect any problems with it. Adjusting the tension is dead easy if required - you just turn a nut on the end of the cable with a wrench.

    I posted some pics of the upgraded stem hinge and cable system on my blog here.

    The only maintenance I have done is lubricate the stem clamp once to keep the Hyper-fold action nice and smooth.

    Not having to adjust anything when folding/unfolding the Tikit and having the ability to size the cockpit like a full size bike are really great features.
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    I've had the new cable system (which is what any bike bought today would come with) for over a month and agree with Vik that it is holding up well. Retensioning is very easy should it need to be done.

    One thing to be aware of is that the cable system was updated in late November or early December 2007. Owners of older Tikits are using a different system built around brake cables which probably stretches more easily. The new stem hinge is also nicer and has a lot less flex.

    I bought a stock Tikit in grey. I don't think blue is the only available color.

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    I don't own a Tikit, but to dispel some of the paranoia about this kind of cable system I just want to remind the OP that cable operation is well established means of controlling brakes whose failure while riding would be just as devastating as a latch failure, if not more. Given the upgraded cable on the new Tikits I would be more worried about the brakes (not just on the Tikit, but on any bike without a coaster brake).

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    Quote Originally Posted by makeinu View Post
    I don't own a Tikit, but to dispel some of the paranoia about this kind of cable system I just want to remind the OP that cable operation is well established means of controlling brakes whose failure while riding would be just as devastating as a latch failure, if not more. Given the upgraded cable on the new Tikits I would be more worried about the brakes (not just on the Tikit, but on any bike without a coaster brake).
    +1 - the hinge is at the back of the stem so the pressure of the rider on the bars would keep it closed and let you safely come to a stop if something did happen to your cable.
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    My tikit required some retensioning after around 100miles. Applying slight force to the right bar would introduce a popping noise. I could introduce a finger nail between the plates during this opening. Retensioning is easy, but I could see a little deformation on the wedge that holds the plates together. This one has the retrofit in place. It is not clear how to measure the required tension "a springing feeling when latching in the back" was advice I was given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDR View Post
    I really like the way the BF tikit folds, quick with no need to reset seat or handle bar height every time you unfold the bike. What I would like to know from any tikit owners is how well the cable
    I think it's too early to make this type of judgment. BF tested this design for a long time- there were rumors of it quite some time ago. I'd imagine they'd do a few years of abuse in a years time. I think in another year or two this will be a good question. I'm an owner of one, but it's a very complicated design. The ride is great and the folding is great, the folded size is not so great, but it will be interesting seeing how well all the parts hold up over time. I do not like the manual's assertion that some of the intended replacement parts should be carried out by BF. Roundtrip shipping + basic maintenance would be in the $200 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatron View Post
    I do not like the manual's assertion that some of the intended replacement parts should be carried out by BF. Roundtrip shipping + basic maintenance would be in the $200 range.
    You have a manual???.....Is it Tikit specific or a generic BF one? If you have an electronic copy I'd like to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vik View Post
    You have a manual???.....Is it Tikit specific or a generic BF one? If you have an electronic copy I'd like to see it.
    Definitely tikit specific , there are some rules to follow in the beginning , and some identification of parts and the wear parts that can be replaced . They send this with the bike and a dvd video (never looked at video - maybe just the youtube ones?). It's paper - scanning (by me) would have to be done with BFs consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awetmore View Post
    I bought a stock Tikit in grey. I don't think blue is the only available color.
    Mine is blue. I think they're just batching the stock bikes and you get what you get, but if you order a custom bike you can pick your color. I don't know what that does to the order time... I chickened out on the Travel Tikit, which would have been custom. I think these bikes must be selling well because they're not allowing you to do much with a stock order except add a rack presumably to keep up with demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatron View Post
    I do not like the manual's assertion that some of the intended replacement parts should be carried out by BF. Roundtrip shipping + basic maintenance would be in the $200 range.
    When I ordered mine I asked about that and the salesman assured me that any bike shop with a good mechanic should be able to perform all the maintenance on the bike, and if for some reason they couldn't Bike Friday would offer them "Tech Support". I even asked specifically about the tension cable. I also got the impression they're looking for dealers in a lot of metros that don't currently have a BF shop, which I would assume would also do service. I'll see when I get there on the maintenance issues I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik View Post
    You have a manual???.....Is it Tikit specific or a generic BF one? If you have an electronic copy I'd like to see it.
    http://www.bikefriday.com/sites/defa...al_Imposed.pdf

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    Guys, thanks for the reassurance about the stem catch.

    Vik I found your blog very interesting and helpful. I do like your tikit in black, looks good!

    Having spent time reading lots of reviews on Brompton, Dahon, Birdy etc, I reckon that the tikit would be the ideal bike for me. My existing bike, bought last November (to test the practicality of a folder) is virtually the same folded size as a tikit and has proved to be practical. Last week there where rail replacement buses in use and my bike easily folded small enough to fit in the stowage rack on the busses and in fact the buss drivers where very complementary about the bike.

    I looked at Bromptons and the only advantage they have is a smaller folded size… otherwise they are still slow to fold (compared to the tikit) and have very limited gear selections. Dahons & Birdy don’t really offer anything quicker to fold than the bike I have now.

    For me, speed of fold is more important than the physical folded size. The trains I use are quite good and the bike storage area is usually available except when mothers take the space for their prams/push-chairs or the trains are really crowded… it is those occasions when a quick fold is beneficial.

    I love my Toyota 4x4, so I’m certainly not anti-car, but with petrol at over £4.50 ($9) per gallon and a fuel consumption figure of 16 mpg, commuting by train & bike makes good financial sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDR View Post
    Guys, thanks for the reassurance about the stem catch.

    Vik I found your blog very interesting and helpful. I do like your tikit in black, looks good!
    Thanks...when you get your Tikit send me a little write up of your impressions and a pic or two. I'll post it to the blog and you'll be helping the next person get a feel for the Tikit.....
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