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    Why would fixed gear need a different BB? I don't think fixed puts significantly different forces on the BB. Great that you found that solution however - I reckon I'd prefer a loose ball solution to a plastic cartridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryano View Post
    I...I didn't trust the cross-threading plastic cups option...
    Are you worried about it not being strong enough, as in using the R20 as a fixed gear track bike? I will look into the square ended spindle option, but I seriously doubt it is that easy to come by. Perhaps you could reveal what bike did your spindle come from.

    Were there later year Twenty's that may have come with cotterless cranks? Raleigh clearly switched to more standard parts (24tpi, 68mm shell...) some time.

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    Are there 20's with 24 TPI shells then? Those would sure be popular. I can't see why a plastic cup BB would be any worse in a Fixed than in anything else. It's probably sub-optimal, but it should work just fine 99% of the time.

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    modern 20s have cotterless cranks

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    A modern 20 (406mm)...

    Come to think of it... that fork's steerer tube is definitely long enough for a Twenty. I wonder if you can buy that part from Pashley...
    Last edited by Oink; 04-04-08 at 04:25 PM.

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    When you say modern 20's, Alec, do you mean the new non folding Shopper?

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    Yeah thats what I meant

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    This one

    PS: A Pashley Moulton TSR fork would be just lovely on a Twenty. I wonder why we haven't all obsessed about the idea already?

    [Heck - if someone had the skills to fab a rear suspension triangle too awesomness might ensue heh]

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePixel View Post
    PS: A Pashley Moulton TSR fork would be just lovely on a Twenty. I wonder why we haven't all obsessed about the idea already?

    [Heck - if someone had the skills to fab a rear suspension triangle too awesomness might ensue heh]
    Wow the Raleigh Shopper?!, that we don't see at this part of the world, it is almost a Moulton Bridgestone. It is pricey over there? With the Brooks and Carradice bag and the mustache bar... it is what my Twenty want to be...except foldability.

    About the Pashley fork... it is up to you folks in the UK to find out and let us know. Thanks in advance. Modifying too much and one may end up with just the Twenty seat post

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    the new Raleigh Shoppers arent specced as per that picture.

    Raleigh do make a folder...Eclipse
    Heres a new one on Ebay
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/raleigh-eclips...QQcmdZViewItem

    Heres the modern Shopper on Ebay
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Raleigh-Shoppe...ayphotohosting

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    That's LittlePixels heavily photoshopped dream Raleigh Shopper. As stock, it's a bit more prosaic.

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    Hmmmm... Just when I thought there was hope in high quality off the shelf every day shopping bike. Very nice Littlepixel.

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    Hey yes sorry for that - I should have been clearer about it's vapourware status.
    Would be nice though. Maybe we should petition Raleigh to do an upscale model. Promote it with ads in Wallpaper* magazine - they could have a slow burning hit for the Yummy-mummys of North London on their hands.

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    And a colour-matched little puppy comes with every bike sold, like the little bunch of (plastic) flowers that comes with every (plastic) VW Beetle... How good is the price/substance ratio on a "Shopper"? As compared to a vintage "Twenty". Would it be easier and cheaper to modify a stock "Shopper" to your vapourware specs, than to do the same with a "Twenty", assuming you don't already have a "Twenty" lying around and have to scout out one on ebay?

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    A 'stock' Neue-Twenty has come down in price and currently costs about £149.00 GBP new (about $300 USD).

    Link to listing on Raleigh site here

    Good things about new one (if you like that sort of thing) are it's v-brakes, alu frame and (likely) standard threading sizes.

    I guess it's down to whether you can source one for less than a vintage - which is a no-brainer here as even good ones rarely sell for more than £80-100 on ebay, and 'spares or repairs' ones can be had for as little as £5.

    I'd love to see a new one specced up (hence the pic) but I already have 2 twentys - one admittedly in a bit of a mess awaiting restoration so can't really warrant a third 'new' one just for the fun of it. Though fun it would surely be - I can't deny that!

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    How about one of these as a starting point :-
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    Last edited by Diode100; 04-07-08 at 08:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePixel View Post
    I guess it's down to whether you can source one for less than a vintage - which is a no-brainer here as even good ones rarely sell for more than £80-100 on ebay, and 'spares or repairs' ones can be had for as little as £5.
    Got my brown British made R20 in a rarely ridden condition for about £40 (USD$80) locally. I let it go last July when I first saw it - didn't want to deal with the proprietory specs but the owner contacted me in October and I took up the offer. The Shopper would be great even at £150. A UN72 and Phil Wood cups + shipping would easily cost more than that.

    You guys have a nice choice of fun small-wheelers. I would pick up a Bridgestone or a Brompton or even a Peterson bike if I ever find myself in Europe again. Trying to get a skinny 406mm tire is already hard enough here.

    @diode100, Another Moulton!?
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    You guys have way more availability of 406 tyres than we do, if you know where to look on the net. The only thing that's easier for us is the 20 itself, and you can definitely get a UN72 and Phil Wood cups for less than $300! Try Gaerlan or AEBike for the tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyboy View Post
    Try Gaerlan or AEBike for the tyres.
    Thanks for the link to Gaerlan, I will keep that in mind for my next round of tyre purchase. FYI though, that will also be a cross border purchase for us in Canada (the same Nato region), with uncertain amount of tax/customs/fee involved.

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    Ah - didn't realise you were in Canada. A quick addition to your profile would avoid any further confusion!

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    I've no idea what life the BB spindle led before the spare BB parts drawer at Pedal Revolution (SF) where I found it. (It was in very good condition, so I'm guessing a pretty tame one.)

    I'm not sure if the R20 BB replacement referred to earlier in this thread is the same as the one I'm thinking back to. There, v@rhizomes used a 24tpi *** cartridge in his R20's 26tpi BB, ..."the bracket would go in just fine and that the plastic threading of the shells might be mangled a bit (it is only 2 turns of threading per inch difference after all)".

    My worry was in fact that with the addnl stresses on the drive chain riding fixed I'd be asking for trouble down the road. Maybe it wouldn't've made a difference, especially if these seemingly cheap bearings could stay well-lubed well into the foreseeable future. But the existing cups looked pretty good, so why bother replacing them if I didn't have to--Sammyboy seems to agree, steel with replaceable ball bearings is preferable to sealed plastic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oink View Post
    Are you worried about it not being strong enough, as in using the R20 as a fixed gear track bike? I will look into the square ended spindle option, but I seriously doubt it is that easy to come by. Perhaps you could reveal what bike did your spindle come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyboy View Post
    That's LittlePixels heavily photoshopped dream Raleigh Shopper. As stock, it's a bit more prosaic.
    Here's another I did tonight in Photoshop - kind of a sketch of how I might fix up my non-folding one. Kudos to one Mr GuyRetreau for the idea about 520 wheels; It HAS to have a period Raleigh Race team livery and white saddle (aren't there meant to be white brooks out again soon? anyone?)

    Forks should be blue too, and the stem ideally a proper roadie quill affair rather than an ahead. Similarly I'd love it just to be a seven-speed, or maybe fourteen. If I luck out on some retro 70s/80s cranks. Campag gruppo Twenty anyone?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePixel View Post
    Here's another I did tonight in Photoshop...
    I think we need one in the older team professional red/Black/Yellow scheme, not the post-84 panasonic white/red/blue. Back to the pixels you go...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oink View Post
    Back to the pixels you go...
    You must just know I couldn't pass on that one. Looks pretty rad non?
    Now if I can just find some NOS decals....


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    Nice pixel manipulation. Can't say I care for the way the rider is going to dive over the bars though.

    I like the 1st color scheme. Just put the trad 7 stem on that one.
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