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    Pacific Cycles 2008 Catalogue

    Pacific Cycles has posted their 2008 catalogue here:
    http://www.pacific-cycles.com/upload...20download.pdf

    My comments:
    -Spec sheets are provided for all Pacific brand bikes. Overall a much more professional catalogue than prior years.
    -Does the fact that Birdy is included among the Pacific-brand bikes mean that we'll be seeing a new Birdy distributor?
    -No 700c IF bikes to be seen. Both IF Mode and IF Cross feature ISO559 wheels.
    -At 12.5kg, the IF Mode seems awfully heavy for a two speed without rack or mudguards.
    -Sadly no accessories are available for the IF Mode (including mudguards or folded stand).
    -The wide ranging Reach product line settles the question of where the fundamental weight is once and for all. Parts spec alone takes us from 8.2kg for the Reach SL to 10.8kg for the Reach City (which aren't really folding bikes, but just happen to have rear suspension designs which are amenable to frame disassembly). The folding hinges of the Reach IF then bumps us up to 12kg.

    All in all a very nice lineup and I don't think it's unfair to say that in one fell swoop Pacific has covered every folding bike niche:
    -For the suburban rail commuters and the impatient jet setter the Birdy offers the compactness needed for those overhead luggage racks or to easily fit into an airline legal suitcases and the comfort, performance, and variety of specification needed for those long miles touring or riding two/from the rail station.
    -For the no compromise performance cycling enthusiast there is the full range of Reach bikes offering a rigid moultonesque full suspension design with just enough folding convenience to pack it all away for storage or air.
    -For the absolute pinnacle of compactness and folding convenience there is the Carryme, offering both single and two speed versions to tweak the final product towards either budget or performance.
    -For the unique individual with, perhaps, balance problems or a need for assistance Carrying shopping fairly short distances (I'm looking at you Weakling) there is the Carryall, offering a compromise between the stability of a tricycle and the compactness of the Carryme.
    -For the person looking for an all arounder to be mostly ridden, but carried along in its folded state on a variety of occasions there are the IF Cross and the IF Reach, offering the same compactness and rolling convenience in either a conventional 559 cruiser or a high performance moultonesque Reach.
    -Lastly, for the perfect city bike; compact, sleek, elegant, and convenient enough to take into shops, restaurants, offices, apartments, clubs, etc while still being tough enough for mean city streets the IF Mode offers an enclosed chaindrive, super slim folded package, stylish looks, high performance disc brakes, wheels large enough to handle the worst of potholes, and just enough gears to keep you from getting too sweaty.

    Most folding bike manufacturers have their niches, but it seems that Pacific now has something for everyone.

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    I agree. They have a very nice line-up.

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    Thx for the link.

    All is explained for me - there are 2 frame versions for the Reach, one 'old' folding version with the 4 models, and 1 IF folding version. I previously saw a pic of the SL and thought the IF had been dumped.
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    the 4-wheel golf-cart thing rocks. Their site says they distribute Kuwahara Gaap bikes. I wonder if they'd export?

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    IF Mode

    Aside from the design the wow factor is the folded volume; amazingly identical to a Brompton and then again for a 26" bike and one that rolls when folded.

    The 2 speed gears work out to 3.7 / 6.2m rollout ... just about the same as 1st and 3rd on a stock 3 speed Brompton.

    Ought to be possible to mount SKS clip-on mudgaurds (?).

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    -For the unique individual with, perhaps, balance problems or a need for assistance Carrying shopping fairly short distances (I'm looking at you Weakling) there is the Carryall, offering a compromise between the stability of a tricycle and the compactness of the Carryme.
    You're talking to me? Heheh that friendly teasing felt ok with me.

    But but the CarryAll needs to place the handlebar further away to suite my length. I'm 194cm.

    I agree that the dual wheel back most likely allow my weight. I managed to go down from 98 kg to 89 to 91 kg but seems to fail to go down to 85 which is the limit for CarryMe. CarryAll have to be stronger due to the two wheels taking up weight better? But dimension is still same from saddle to handlebar?

    What does it cost then to buy a CarryAll. Such bikes usually cost extremely much.

    Edit, hopefully it is allowing bigger rider. Length folded is specified as 97cm while the CarryMe is specified 91cm so does that indicate that the handlebar is further away allowing tall person? They forgot to tell how heavy rider they allow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bangkok View Post
    Aside from the design the wow factor is the folded volume; amazingly identical to a Brompton and then again for a 26" bike and one that rolls when folded.

    The 2 speed gears work out to 3.7 / 6.2m rollout ... just about the same as 1st and 3rd on a stock 3 speed Brompton.

    Ought to be possible to mount SKS clip-on mudgaurds (?).
    The IF Mode does indeed seem to be amazingly thin. The key to squeezing out all the space seems to be the monoblades coupled with the square frame.

    I'm thinking that if you get aerospoke wheels then you could put your feet in between the spokes and the rest of the bike would be thin enough to fit between your knees and the seat in front of you in movie theaters, cars, trains, buses, etc. It also might just be thin enough to strap it to the back of your chair in restaurants (which typically don't have much room between tables). I wonder if you could stick your foot between the spokes to keep the bike from tipping over while you reach into your wallet at cashier registers.

    The best part is it looks clean. No exposed chain or chainwheel and no sharp edges to poke/scrape/nick furniture/walls/etc. I can't imagine anyone telling me to "leave that dirty bicycle out side" when looking at this bike.

    However, I don't think clip on mudguards would work because the forks are oversized and one sided. I think we're going to need custom IF Mode mudguards, but as of right now they aren't offering them.

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    Pacific-Cycles

    Thanks for the accurate reflection of the bikes and the versatility of the company. I am the National Sales Director for their US Distributor - Alternative Vehicles, www.alternativevehicles.com, and have greatly enjoyed the relationship and responsiveness of the company. As an IBD owner for 25 years, what is important to me besides the obvious need for quality is a company that listens and innovates, Pacific-Cycles does that in spades. We can't wait to have the new product here.

    If any one that reads this wants a REAL brochure, I have some, and will accommodate as many as I can. Email me off the forum at ken@alternativevehicles.com.

    If I can assist any of you on this forum, or provide some neutral feedback, send it my way. I not only sold the stuff, I road the hell out of them too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by madfolder View Post
    Thanks for the accurate reflection of the bikes and the versatility of the company. I am the National Sales Director for their US Distributor - Alternative Vehicles, www.alternativevehicles.com, and have greatly enjoyed the relationship and responsiveness of the company. As an IBD owner for 25 years, what is important to me besides the obvious need for quality is a company that listens and innovates, Pacific-Cycles does that in spades. We can't wait to have the new product here.

    If any one that reads this wants a REAL brochure, I have some, and will accommodate as many as I can. Email me off the forum at ken@alternativevehicles.com.

    If I can assist any of you on this forum, or provide some neutral feedback, send it my way. I not only sold the stuff, I road the hell out of them too!
    Ken
    Thanks for posting, Ken. Here are a few questions for you:
    -Are you the sole US distributor? The guy I bought my Carryme from last year also said he was the US distributor and he wasn't you.
    -What are the MSRPs going to be for the 08 folding bikes? There are quite a few new models.
    -Like I speculated, are you going to be selling the Birdy too?
    -My comments on the bikes are mostly from inspection of the catalogue, since you rode the hell out of them, do you have anything else to tell us?
    -We know Mark Sanders knows the importance of mudguards. He's from the UK and equipped the Strida with mudguards. Surely he's designed some for the IF Mode. Any chance Pacific will make them for us?

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    Are you the sole US distributor? The guy I bought my Carryme from last year also said he was the US distributor and he wasn't you.

    We are but you may be thinking of Carl, the owner of the company. He brought me on to help organize and develop the company.

    -What are the MSRPs going to be for the 08 folding bikes? There are quite a few new models.
    I just received them, and honestly have had too much on my plate to really examine, but I was told of increases of at least 12%. Let's just say our '07 Inventory will look very appealing! Sorry for that plug, but could not help myself!
    I will provide some pricing next week after I add in the usual costs associated with the importing, handling, freight.

    -Like I speculated, are you going to be selling the Birdy too?
    We do not know yet.

    -My comments on the bikes are mostly from inspection of the catalogue, since you rode the hell out of them, do you have anything else to tell us?

    The CarryMe that I rode was the single speed, but I am very familiar with the DS mechanism, and it is simple to engage on the fly, and gives you that extra bit of gearing for more rolling urban centers. One thing I have to emphasize, because even some dealers have missed the points. The CarryMe is well machined, not a toy, but is not designed for rutted streets or major riding. It is to get around park, urban centers, between larger complexes, and for short city jaunts, probably 5 miles or less. It has a decent quality saddle that accommodates most posteriors, but it is a traditional design, so if you want a different saddle, just pop it on! The bike travels as a carry-on, so if you go to trade shows like I do, it makes staying a little off the beaten path very manageable. The new DS has front and rear racks, a rack extender for the rear, and fenders too, allowing you to actually carry STUFF. Fenders...well its not always dry, and who likes getting a stripe up their back, or on their pants. At the Bike Summit, I was both filmed and timed folding it, and had it under 30 seconds.

    For a real full size feel, the Reach models deliver. I'll stop here as I don't want to sound like and adv., but anyone can contact me, and I'd be happy to give you the down low on the bikes. I would not be here, if I did not believe in them.

    -We know Mark Sanders knows the importance of mudguards. He's from the UK and equipped the Strida with mudguards. Surely he's designed some for the IF Mode. Any chance Pacific will make them for us?

    I don't have an answer, but will find out.

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    Hi Ken, I was just going through your new catalog, great line up and I really like the Reach model lineup

    also just a suggestion. when are you guys going to realize there is a market for just the frames? Swift did, and offers that option. many on this forum, including myself, like to buy and do our own work on our frames, and having a "just the frame" option is really a plus for alot of us here

    that is why I bought a Swift as a first folder, otherwise I might have purchased something in your line up

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    Quote Originally Posted by doco View Post
    Hi Ken, I was just going through your new catalog, great line up and I really like the Reach model lineup

    also just a suggestion. when are you guys going to realize there is a market for just the frames? Swift did, and offers that option. many on this forum, including myself, like to buy and do our own work on our frames, and having a "just the frame" option is really a plus for alot of us here

    that is why I bought a Swift as a first folder, otherwise I might have purchased something in your line up
    I appreciate the feedback, and will ask Max at Pacific-Cycles if that is a possibility. I too liked building my own, and choosing my own parts, then it is uniquely mine. Maybe down the road we could consider a kit option...what do you think?
    Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by madfolder View Post
    I appreciate the feedback, and will ask Max at Pacific-Cycles if that is a possibility. I too liked building my own, and choosing my own parts, then it is uniquely mine. Maybe down the road we could consider a kit option...what do you think?
    Ken
    +11111111 you know, it's great when a company works with their customers, a kit option would be perfect

    and I am sure alot of people on this forum would like an option like that

    that is why Swift a very viable option for the lot of here, plus the fact of Swift frame can be built up with all off the shelf components

    which it looks like your reach bike fits the bill

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    A frameset is a very valuable option especially for overseas costomers, due to shipping cost.
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    This company offers the best line up by far. It's like a high quality, better-designed version of the Dahon line. A frameset would be great. The Reach IF is the closest thing to a Birdy-beating bike I've seen, but at 12Kg, it's a bit on the heavy side. Could easily take a Kg off of that bike in the wheels alone if one could substitute.

    For people who like to ride to work with the roadies and then fold up the bike to put it next to your desk, they really come though.

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    It looks like the entire Birdy line up is for clydesdales now. Why so may spokes? Why such hard core parts? It's great to have a bike for heavier folks, but skinny ones don't need all that extra aluminum. It's especially funny given that Japan is their biggest market.

    We are going to build up an American Classic 16 spoke rear wheel now that the 36 spoke rim has been worn past the wear indicator line.

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    It seems like they are very serious about the Carryme which is stange in a way. I don't see this stick bike making more waves than the Strida if any at all. I've yet to see one in the streets which strikes me strange why they would continue to make them but maybe they're a hit far east.

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    Does anyone know what the retail price of the Pacific IF MODE is going to be or when this bike will be available?

    It looks really impressive.


    Thanks, Paul

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    I'm thinking the IF mode will cost 2-3 grand or more.

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