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Old 07-08-08, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by owlmaster08
peddle it at 50-60 RPM
Pushing a big gear at slow rpm really puts a strain on the knees. Although it's great for strength training (just not daily).

I think all the recent fixed gear "hipsters" have discovered that it hurts to ride like that (and is the reason you see a lot of those bikes on Craigslist right now).
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Owlmaster08, I have to weigh in as well, because I'm not confident you understand the risks and consequences of riding on the sidewalk. I don't know your location, but in New York State, and I would assume most states in the USA, riding on sidewalks is illegal and dangerous to pedestrians. It subjects you to ticketing, fines, and worse. It also gives cyclists a very bad name, as it makes us look like a bunch of scofflaws. Don't do it!

You are legally required to ride on the road with traffic and to follow all rules of the road (e.g., don't blow through red lights and don't ride the wrong way on a one-way street). Stay to the right of the road unless there is an official bike lane elsewhere (say, on the left). You're not in much danger of being rear-ended--the far bigger risk is being "doored" by someone exiting a parked car or being cut off by a car making a turn across your path. The key is to make yourself visible. Wear reflective clothing and make sure your bike has front and rear lights as well as a bell.

Also, remember, the more cyclists on the road, the safer cycling becomes for everyone. As others have said, read the bike commuting threads for lots of strategies and good, solid advice. You'll get comfortable with riding in the road quickly enough, I promise.

Sorry for the lecture, but this is serious stuff...
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I got screamed at for not riding on the sidewalk today in Calgary (on a road with two lanes in each direction and low traffic).
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" On any slight up hill inclines where I couldn't peddle as fast I shifted to 6, even though normally I would've stayed in 7. I didn't really feel any kind of improvement. It felt like I was going faster in 7. This is why I originally wanted a bike with higher gear range, it seems I can go faster at higher gears, even if I'm peddling slower. I am not yet a believer in this high RPM "spinning" concept, but I am a newb and if the pros do it, I will just have to adjust, maybe it will come to me once I cycle more..."


It's relative. If you're spinning out, you're spinning out. If you have the strength and fitness to go for more gear inches, then that's what you need. It's what's comfortable for you. Try another bike. Eschew dogma!

Regarding sidewalk cycling, I believe that's also relative. I cycle on sidewalks in the UK when it's just too dangerous for me to be on the road. With traffic passing me at 70 mph on major roads, I'll always take the safe option. In the UK various police forces differ whether it's allowed. In rural Oxfordshire, it's very common, in London, you'll get pulled.
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Hmm - isn't it the case that in rural oxfordshire, if there is a pavement, it isn't too rural?! If there are pedestrians around at all, riding on the pavement is wrong - they have a right not to get hit by a bike travelling at 20 mph. I've never been hit by a car doing 70 on the road (obviously!), I think that that danger is over egged somewhat.
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Originally Posted by Urbanis
Owlmaster08, I have to weigh in as well, because I'm not confident you understand the risks and consequences of riding on the sidewalk. I don't know your location, but in New York State, and I would assume most states in the USA, riding on sidewalks is illegal and dangerous to pedestrians. It subjects you to ticketing, fines, and worse. It also gives cyclists a very bad name, as it makes us look like a bunch of scofflaws. Don't do it!

You are legally required to ride on the road with traffic and to follow all rules of the road (e.g., don't blow through red lights and don't ride the wrong way on a one-way street). Stay to the right of the road unless there is an official bike lane elsewhere (say, on the left). You're not in much danger of being rear-ended--the far bigger risk is being "doored" by someone exiting a parked car or being cut off by a car making a turn across your path. The key is to make yourself visible. Wear reflective clothing and make sure your bike has front and rear lights as well as a bell.

Also, remember, the more cyclists on the road, the safer cycling becomes for everyone. As others have said, read the bike commuting threads for lots of strategies and good, solid advice. You'll get comfortable with riding in the road quickly enough, I promise.

Sorry for the lecture, but this is serious stuff...
I have cops drive by me all the time, none of them stop. I don't think it's an issue here in Goose Creek, SC. I think they'd rather have me on the side walk to stay out of their way. I prefer the road, but don't want to die! haha. I keep a look out for the few, very few, pedestrians I see, and when I see them I go in the road when possible. If it's rush hour and traffic is too thick I'll ride in the grass until I pass them, in these situations sometime they step into the grass before I even do. There are no parked cars along this street, so I'm not worried about that. I wish I could explain the street better. Maybe the best explanation is I'm surprised they built a sidewalk along it, because it is not even used by anyone, really.

To keep you guys from worrying so much, I'm going to start riding in the street more. I hate riding on the sidewalk due to all the bumps and stuff. I leave really earlier in the morning before it gets light though, and am still waiting on my reflexive vest w/ built in LEDs (claimed to be visible from a mile way) to arrive Friday. I do have a bike light set, reflectors, and I am wearing a reflexive arm band right now.

I may eschew dogma snafu Thanks.
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The CYCLING ON SIDEWALKS thread is now open. All welcome.

Eschew Dogma!!

Owlmaster, old bean, try a Matrix.

Put on some skinny 26" x 1.7 cheap 40 psi knobblies with a centre raised ridge. The bike will do everything you need.

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Thanks Snafu I wish I had a bikeship nearby w/ dahons to try bikes out. The nearest place according to dahon.com is Columbia SC, about 90 miles away I think. I bet they don't even keep them in stock...I will have to call them! I ordered my Mariner from SunriseCyclery. Good price+free shipping=win. I may have to get my Matrix there too (if I get it)!

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fwiw, owlmaster, i am a big believer in higher cadence. my own experience is that i go as fast or maybe slightly faster spinning at a higher cadence in a lower gear. on my road bike i rarely use the large chain ring. btw, my cadence is around 95 rpm. on my road bike. with spd pedals.

without the clipped pedals i doubt i could maintain that kind of cadence. even so, though, i think i could spin somewhere in the 80s. to me anything slower would feel, well, too slow. i'd highly encourage you to experiment with lower gears and spinning faster. it sounds like you've begun that by using your 6th gear. i suspect that if you feel you're going slower it may be psychological. is your entire commute time the same or longer when spinning higher in a lower gear?

also, i want discourage you from riding the sidewalks. i think they are more dangerous than the streets since a car or truck pulling out may not be expecting to see a cyclist. you are far more visible on the streets than on the sidewalks. as pointed out elsewhere, it may even be illegal in your jurisdiction (as it is in mine). sidewalks are for kids on bikes, not adults.

good luck on your cycling adventures!

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Old 07-10-08, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jur
I used to pedal a lot slower than I do these days. I'm not sure I got a benefit speed-wise, but I can readily feel what is optimal - if I shift to a higher gear but keep the speed the same, my legs start screaming at me after a while (this is when I am going fast). If I shift to a lower gear my legs spin like mad but don't get tired, instead my lungs start abusing me.

Every person has an optimum cadence where they will feel most comfortable.....

My legs used to be stiff all day at work after commuting but it has been a long time since I had that. I am not sure if that is due to higher cadence (and therefore lower stress on the muscles) or simply the legs are stronger.
As usual, Jur hits the nail on the head.

The general compromise is this. If your lungs are screaming, shift to pedal slower. If your legs are screaming, shift to pedal faster.

If you watched the time trials the other day, you see that most of the pros will ride at about 100-110 when on their own. In a pack, they'll slow the cadence down a little to maybe 90 to save their lungs a little. Having clipless pedals is a big advantage when it comes to turning really big RPM, like 150 or so, but that's only necessary to do that in a sprint. 90 rpm is kind of the accepted sweet spot for most riders. You'll need to 'salt to taste' a little, but with some practice, it will feel normal. It will also be a lot kinder to your knees in the long run not pushing that big gear all the time.
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Physiologically, I think it's something like this:

Low cadence / high gear stresses your lower body as if you were hauling a heavy weight, as each turn of the crank has to move your body + bike farther.
High cadence / low gear stresses your body as if you were jogging or running without a heavy weight, as each turn of the crank doesn't have to move your body + bike as far.

It's a rough analogy, and it breaks down when you look at impact (runners hurt their feet, but cyclists don't; weightlifters hurt their backs, but low-cadence cyclists hurt their knees), but I think it helps.

Me? I'm learning to spin, and I'm glad.
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Ok, so I used gear 6 almost the whole time coming back. My legs are a lot less tired I think, but the cardio workout was intense. I could go about 18 mph doing this. Once I get good at this, maybe I will be able to move up to 7 and go 25 mph like previously mentioned after a couple months of this. Or, maybe not! lol
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One of the things to keep in mind when trying to go faster is that above about 17mph, most of your energy is going in to pushing wind. Each successive MPH is going to take a lot more power than the last. So, getting from 17-18 MPH way easier than pushing from 24-25 MPH. You can certainly get there, but it might take a while to eek out those last few MPH.
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I see...So my "maybe not" is probably a "probably not"! hehe.
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i would advise the smoothhound, hammerhead, or speed pro tt if you want a light road bike.
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Originally Posted by snafu21
Owlmaster, old bean, try a Matrix.

Put on some skinny 26" x 1.7 cheap 40 psi knobblies with a centre raised ridge. The bike will do everything you need.
I love that video snafu...I called the closest (like 60 miles) "Dahon retailer" according to their website; no, they don't carry Dahons... I have emailed the next two closest, one 100 miles to the northwest, one 100 miles to the southwest. If they don't carry them I will just buy online w/o a test ride, it seems like a bike I can't go wrong with!
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i would advise the smoothhound, hammerhead, or speed pro tt if you want a light road bike.
I am still kind of considering the Speed pro TT...Do you have any experience with it? Would a newbie like me be able to appreciate it's awesomeness?
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Originally Posted by owlmaster08
I love that video snafu...I called the closest (like 60 miles) "Dahon retailer" according to their website; no, they don't carry Dahons... I have emailed the next two closest, one 100 miles to the northwest, one 100 miles to the southwest. If they don't carry them I will just buy online w/o a test ride, it seems like a bike I can't go wrong with!

There was a chap on the club run with a Dahon Jetstream today. Excellent town bike, he was very quick on it. The only downside is the 20" wheels for offroading.

I wuz up the railway line on my Matrix yesterday; it folds, it does offroad, and it commutes. Love it to bits.

Remember mine's a 2007 - the frame was changed after that for a new one that needs a hex wrench to 'fold'.
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Ok, I'm giving in. I'm trying to "spin" Didn't use my 7th gear once today, yet tied my fastest time on the way in. Coming back, I was a minute slower than my fastest time, but it was raining, and I was driving though 2 inch puddles half the time. The other half I gave up and rode on the sidewalk! Gasp, I know! lol. The puddles were creating huge drag, and all the people passing me only giving me 4 inches of clearence were drenching me even worse with there splashing onto me. I still think I'm going to get the Matrix though as it may be a better bike for speed in general, not just because it has more gear inches. I just don't feel aerodynamic on my Mariner, even though I lowerd the handlebars as low as they would go and put the seat about even with it, a teeny higher I think. If I am wrong in any of my statements feel free to tell me I'm wrong (why would be good too) I met a couple roadies at my work today. Apparently they do rides once or twice a week, I think they said on weekdays they go for 3 hours at about 20 MPH. I think weekday rides are about an hour and a half @ 25 mph. At first I was interested but after I found that out I changed my mind Stinks to be a newbie!
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Originally Posted by stevegor
Hmmmm...............LYCRA

The only thing is, that I'm not racing anymore, so I don't shave the pegs....look like a gorilla now...must annoy the heck out of the"pretty boys" when I turn up in bibs for a bunch ride in Summer.
Lycra is asking for a car door in most places or at least the finger from innocent onlookers unless you're in France and paid to wear it.
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Originally Posted by Urbanis
Owlmaster08, I have to weigh in as well, because I'm not confident you understand the risks and consequences of riding on the sidewalk. I don't know your location, but in New York State, and I would assume most states in the USA, riding on sidewalks is illegal and dangerous to pedestrians. It subjects you to ticketing, fines, and worse. It also gives cyclists a very bad name, as it makes us look like a bunch of scofflaws. Don't do it!

You are legally required to ride on the road with traffic and to follow all rules of the road (e.g., don't blow through red lights and don't ride the wrong way on a one-way street). Stay to the right of the road unless there is an official bike lane elsewhere (say, on the left). You're not in much danger of being rear-ended--the far bigger risk is being "doored" by someone exiting a parked car or being cut off by a car making a turn across your path. The key is to make yourself visible. Wear reflective clothing and make sure your bike has front and rear lights as well as a bell.

Also, remember, the more cyclists on the road, the safer cycling becomes for everyone. As others have said, read the bike commuting threads for lots of strategies and good, solid advice. You'll get comfortable with riding in the road quickly enough, I promise.

Sorry for the lecture, but this is serious stuff...
Sorry, but I disagree. I stopped riding motorcycles because it got too hairy dealing with all the really terrible drivers. Illegal, maybe. Smart, definitely. I go out of my way to catch bike lane whenever possible, but I don't ride on the road with the people annoyed that their driving is interfering with all the text messaging they need to do. My wife and kids would miss me. On my motorcycle I could accelerate up to 80mph in about 5 seconds. On my bike, well... You can't even get out of the way if you get in trouble. Stick to the sidewalks. No one walks outside of the north east anyway unless you're in some suburban neighborhood. By the way, New York is a tremendous anomaly compared to any other state in a lot of ways, most of them positive.
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Originally Posted by bendembroski
One of the things to keep in mind when trying to go faster is that above about 17mph, most of your energy is going in to pushing wind. Each successive MPH is going to take a lot more power than the last. So, getting from 17-18 MPH way easier than pushing from 24-25 MPH. You can certainly get there, but it might take a while to eek out those last few MPH.
That's why I wants me a velomobile. On one leg of my commute all the flags point my way as I trudge on wishing I didn't feel quite so much like a kite.
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Got a flat today... I think it happened just as I got there. All of a sudden every bump in the road was multipled, and it got really hard to peddle. As I was puzzling this, I arrived at my location. It then hit me that, wait, I might have a flat...Sure enough... Luckily someone at work lives next door, so I got a ride from her. We are on different schedules though so was an inconvienence. Just checked it out and was a tiny tiny piece of glass through my tire into the inner tube. There is so much junkIt's time to get the matrix! Kevlar protection...
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Originally Posted by owlmaster08
I met a couple roadies at my work today. Apparently they do rides once or twice a week, I think they said on weekdays they go for 3 hours at about 20 MPH. I think weekday rides are about an hour and a half @ 25 mph.
Just be careful, If these guys are truly averaging 25mph over 1.5 hours, then they ain't your average roadies. That's a typical CAT4 or CAT5 race pace and guys that "train" at that level won't let you hang with them very long if you're on a folder (It bruises their ego).
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Originally Posted by owlmaster08
It's time to get the matrix!
I'm tired of hearing myself say this, and I'm sure snafu21 is too, but I've broken two 2007 Matrix frames. I'm 6'1", 215, and average maybe 75 miles/week on my commute, and I think for one reason or another, it just wasn't up to carrying my weight that far. I don't think it's as tough as it looks.

If you're a larger person, you might take that into account.

Or not. It could be I'm wrong.
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