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Old 07-09-08, 02:18 AM   #1
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on an 8 month bus/plane tour: which bike?

hi everybody!

I've posted a few times now, and after reading a lot of the posts regarding packing bikes in luggage plus reviews on various types of bikes, I have a couple of questions specific to what I do... first, I currently have an '06 Dahon Speed P8 which I've been traveling with in the Airporter case; but this has proven quite expensive with oversize fees, sooo..
1) Would the Downtube Mini fit into either the Oyster or F'lite cases w/o disassembly?
2) Are the bikes pretty safe from damage in these cases? (I'll be traveling a LOT, and it will be in the hold of a bus once or twice a week and on planes about once a month...)
2) How is the ride of the Mini compared to my P8?
3) Other recommendations?

Thanks so much!

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Old 07-09-08, 03:19 AM   #2
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What about the Dahon Curve SL? It is light, 16-inch wheels, and 8-speed hub (so less fuss with damaged derailleur from airport abuse).

The prof who owned this bike put it into a 29-inch Oyster hardcase with room to spare for clothes, just by removing the two wheels. Took him 4 minutes to pack or unpack.

You can see the photo below in my attachment.

http://speedmatrix.dyndns.org:8328/~...php?topic=33.0

It may be the right bike for you if you travel so much.
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What about the Dahon Curve SL? It is light, 16-inch wheels, and 8-speed hub (so less fuss with damaged derailleur from airport abuse)
Yeah, I looked at the Curve SL (since I really like my Speed P8), but they're not currently available and $919 + shipping is a bit beyond my current budget thanks for the suggestion, though!

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im not sure if the downtube is a decent bike, but mr brown looks like he has came up with a solution to your problem but looks quite tricky, but it would save you cash rather than buying a new folding bike, i would stick with your dahon (in my opinion)
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The Mini is ridden by several on this board and it seems to get the thumbs up. There are several who ride them that are over 6" tall and dont seem to have any problems. Jur has traveled with his in a suitcase. The 8 speed hub is nice and that is what is on my new Dt 8HN. I would recommend the 2009 because of the new stem for a smaller fold.
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im not sure if the downtube is a decent bike, but mr brown looks like he has came up with a solution to your problem but looks quite tricky, but it would save you cash rather than buying a new folding bike, i would stick with your dahon (in my opinion)
Yeah, I do like my P8, I'm just not very mechanical, so removing the rear wheel (hence the chain from the derailleur) and putting it all back together makes me a bit hesitant (maybe I should just do it more and get used to it!)

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The Mini is ridden by several on this board and it seems to get the thumbs up. There are several who ride them that are over 6" tall and dont seem to have any problems. Jur has traveled with his in a suitcase. The 8 speed hub is nice and that is what is on my new Dt 8HN. I would recommend the 2009 because of the new stem for a smaller fold.
The thing is, as of right now, I'm about 10lbs over the Mini's max weight limit (although I'm working on it and might not be for long! but I'd still be close :-/ ); would I look ok for such a small bike or ? And is there any info on the exact size of the '09's fold or if the mini can go into either the Oyster or the F'lite w/o disassembly? Thanks!
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hi ukulele boy - me too a folder and a uke fan, though my playing is limited to a couple of chords and meaning to watch the blues uke dvd learn to play that I got from germany a while back.

there is something congruent about ukes and folders IMHO - love of small things, strong collecting urge....
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Hi Oboeterry, I'm an ex-oboist and retain a great deal of affection for the instrument. I'm also one of the Mini riders on the board. I can't speak to packing issues, but since you're a potential customer, I'd consider lobbing these questions at Yan (Downtube's owner). I also think Jur may have some experience traveling with his Mini in a suitcase. Removing (and putting back on) the front wheel is truly no big deal, and you may be able to get away with just that.
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Hi Oboeterry, I'm an ex-oboist and retain a great deal of affection for the instrument. I'm also one of the Mini riders on the board. I can't speak to packing issues, but since you're a potential customer, I'd consider lobbing these questions at Yan (Downtube's owner). I also think Jur may have some experience traveling with his Mini in a suitcase. Removing (and putting back on) the front wheel is truly no big deal, and you may be able to get away with just that.
ex, huh? ;-P (you're probably the smart one, what with reeds and not much work... however I digress...); I love what I do

Maybe I will send an email off to Yan, but I'd love to hear from other Mini riders and maybe someone (?) can post a pic of the Mini packed in an Oyster or F'lite (although I don't know how many people have the '09, which is supposed to be a tighter fold); I am going to start working on removing and replacing my P8's rear wheel... I'm just starting to become intrigued by the 8 spd internal hub... can that be added to my P8? Thanks again, everyone!

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I'd love to hear from other Mini riders and maybe someone (?) can post a pic of the Mini packed in an Oyster or F'lite (although I don't know how many people have the '09, which is supposed to be a tighter fold); I am going to start working on removing and replacing my P8's rear wheel... I'm just starting to become intrigued by the 8 spd internal hub... can that be added to my P8? Thanks again, everyone!
Hey guys... I'm just re-asking these questions to get the topic going again (rather than starting a new one ) thanks for any help!

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Packing a DT Mini is an Samsonite Oyster
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thanks, I hadn't seen that! Any idea whether an 8spd internal hub could be added to my P8 and what all that might entail? Thanks again!
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I would take it to the LBS and see what they would recommend.
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thanks, I hadn't seen that! Any idea whether an 8spd internal hub could be added to my P8 and what all that might entail? Thanks again!
You can do it, but you'll have a few things to think about..one, you
have vertical drops, so no clean way of tensioning the chain..you can
use a singulator, or even an old derailleur to take up the chain slack..
you can also calculate the 'magic combo' of front and rear sprockets so
that you don't need a tensioner (may even have to factor in a
half-link) .. that's what I did with my Jetstream XP.. on the JetXp though, I
installed a Schlumpf so had some leeway in what ultimate gear ratio I
was going to get..

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I would take it to the LBS and see what they would recommend.
Of course, that's where I'd get it done anyways I just wanted to see if maybe someone had already done it to theirs and might have some tips...

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You can do it, but you'll have a few things to think about..one, you
have vertical drops, so no clean way of tensioning the chain..you can
use a singulator, or even an old derailleur to take up the chain slack..
you can also calculate the 'magic combo' of front and rear sprockets so
that you don't need a tensioner (may even have to factor in a
half-link) .. that's what I did with my Jetstream XP.. on the JetXp though, I
installed a Schlumpf so had some leeway in what ultimate gear ratio I
was going to get..
Well, I believe that the combination of your two replies pretty much answers my question... I will definitely take my P8 to my LBS and ask him what he thinks can be done! BruceMetras, I appreciate your detailed reply, I just wish that I had the technical knowledge to understand all of it; I will, however, copy what you wrote and show it to my LBS guy
Thanks so much, you guys... you rock!

Terry

p.s. If anyone does have specific knowledge or ideas of putting an internal hub on my P8, please let me know? Thanks again!
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"quite expensive with oversize fees" What are they charging?
Dahon says: We have traveled extensively with the Airporter suitcase, and fortunately, as yet, have not been charged for having oversize luggage.

You might be able to spread the bike over more than one suitcase.

FWIW harriscyclery.com sells half links for your chain, in case it is just a little off. A new wheel will run like $300-$400 with an 8 speed hub.
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Dahon says: We have traveled extensively with the Airporter suitcase, and fortunately, as yet, have not been charged for having oversize luggage.

>>I'm pretty sure that Dahon has not updated their description then, because the case measures (according to the website) 73 linear inches (although it seems like more, as it's pretty huge); it's quite obviously oversize, and the airports charge approx $80 (!) for that...

You might be able to spread the bike over more than one suitcase.

>>I appreciate this advice (and thought of it, too, but with the fuel fiasco, airlines are charging for every piece of checked luggage now, too (plus, I really need to have my 2 "regular" checked bags, as I'll be living out of them for 8 months)

FWIW harriscyclery.com sells half links for your chain, in case it is just a little off. A new wheel will run like $300-$400 with an 8 speed hub.
Thanks for the info... I had no idea that a wheel with an 8 speed internal hub was that much *wow!* How did DT sell the 8NH for $299, then? Oh well, it may be back to the drawing board then... thanks again!

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That is why the 8HN sold out so quickly.
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