Anyone commute on both a folder and road bike?
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Anyone commute on both a folder and road bike?
I am curious what the time differences are between the two bikes on your commute? Is the folder faster because of better acceleration?
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I don't commute on both... but I can say this. It will largely depend on distance traveled and the number of stops. If you have a five mile commute with lots of stops, a bike that quickly accelerates might win out. If, however, you have a five mile commute without stops, the bike with a higher top speed might win out.
That said... speed is largely defined by the rider... not the bike.
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That said... speed is largely defined by the rider... not the bike.
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There's a train of though that says smaller wheel bikes accelerate faster and are more nimble through traffic. My 20" bikes are certainly handier in town than my 26" wheeled bike.
Another piece of cycling metaphysics: bikes with suspension absorb the power a rider makes, but may sometimes be quicker on rough urban roads as the rider doesn't slow down so much...
And another: narrower handlebars, smaller wheels and a shorter wheelbase let you squeeze through gaps in traffic...
At the other end of the scale, urban bike shops are selling no end of 'hybrids' - light hardtail rigid fork bike frames with 700mm wheels. I had a Ridgeback Genesis which was about the fastest thing I've ridden through town. No idea why. Probably because it didn't weigh anything..
Light = quicker.
Another piece of cycling metaphysics: bikes with suspension absorb the power a rider makes, but may sometimes be quicker on rough urban roads as the rider doesn't slow down so much...
And another: narrower handlebars, smaller wheels and a shorter wheelbase let you squeeze through gaps in traffic...
At the other end of the scale, urban bike shops are selling no end of 'hybrids' - light hardtail rigid fork bike frames with 700mm wheels. I had a Ridgeback Genesis which was about the fastest thing I've ridden through town. No idea why. Probably because it didn't weigh anything..
Light = quicker.
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I also think confidence in your bike makes a difference to your overall speed. I know I am generally faster on my Moulton, partly because I feel safer at higher speeds on it; also it can break better than my other bikes.
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Although I do also want a Downtube Mini...oh and Mezzo, and a Dahon MU XXV and a.....oops, that's a different thread.
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I have a lot of traffic lights on my commute (25 miles one-way). On the road bike it is just under 2 hours, on the Birdy it is a bit longer, 2 hours and 10-15 minutes.
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I've commuted on both...I'm pretty sure I'd be faster under almost all conditions on the road bike, but in many cases the difference would be negligible...say 10% or less. This assumes you ride both on the same route...the folder may give you other multi-modal transit options that could totally change the equation.
Looking at it another way...I wouldn't hesitate to ride the folder rather than a road bike for a commute as the versatility of the folder for taking into buildings, getting on transit or getting a lift in someone's vehicle make up for any performance gap.
This of course assumes the folder fits me well and I am comfortable on it for the req'd length of my commute.
Looking at it another way...I wouldn't hesitate to ride the folder rather than a road bike for a commute as the versatility of the folder for taking into buildings, getting on transit or getting a lift in someone's vehicle make up for any performance gap.
This of course assumes the folder fits me well and I am comfortable on it for the req'd length of my commute.
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Originally Posted by veggie_lover
I am curious what the time differences are between the two bikes on your commute? Is the folder faster because of better acceleration?
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I commute on my folder (it's a fixed gear) a good deal and don't find that it slows me down to any appreciable degree... the bike is fast and handles rough roads better than my road bike (also fixed) so I probably pick up a little time with that and because the bike is geared lower and spins up faster.
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The small wheels of a folder accelerate slightly faster than a road bike, and if you have to use the brakes a lot, wasting the energy you put into getting your wheels spinning, that might offer a tiny advantage. However if there isn't a lot of braking the advantage is negligible. Often folding bikes have a more upright position than road bikes, and thus are less aerodynamic, which would more than offset the wheel effect.
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I do about 9 miles through London traffic each way and use the following bikes:
1) Dahon MuSL
2) Dahon Hammerhead
3) Old Raleigh single speed racer.
The Hammerhead is the fastest (around 30min), followed by the MuSL (34 minutes), followed by the single speed (37 minutes). But by the time I have bagged up the Hammerhead (taken off the headset and pedals and fitted it into the bag), I may as well have taken the MU. The single speed is there for when I go places where I need to leave the bike - it is a road bike with decent tyres on it, but just not as manouverable or quick (acceleration) as the Dahons, but it teaches a different type of cycling - momentum is all!
1) Dahon MuSL
2) Dahon Hammerhead
3) Old Raleigh single speed racer.
The Hammerhead is the fastest (around 30min), followed by the MuSL (34 minutes), followed by the single speed (37 minutes). But by the time I have bagged up the Hammerhead (taken off the headset and pedals and fitted it into the bag), I may as well have taken the MU. The single speed is there for when I go places where I need to leave the bike - it is a road bike with decent tyres on it, but just not as manouverable or quick (acceleration) as the Dahons, but it teaches a different type of cycling - momentum is all!
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But you are right that the suspension has a very significant effect too.
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There's a train of though that says smaller wheel bikes accelerate faster and are more nimble through traffic. My 20" bikes are certainly handier in town than my 26" wheeled bike.
Another piece of cycling metaphysics: bikes with suspension absorb the power a rider makes, but may sometimes be quicker on rough urban roads as the rider doesn't slow down so much...
And another: narrower handlebars, smaller wheels and a shorter wheelbase let you squeeze through gaps in traffic...
At the other end of the scale, urban bike shops are selling no end of 'hybrids' - light hardtail rigid fork bike frames with 700mm wheels. I had a Ridgeback Genesis which was about the fastest thing I've ridden through town. No idea why. Probably because it didn't weigh anything..
Light = quicker.
Another piece of cycling metaphysics: bikes with suspension absorb the power a rider makes, but may sometimes be quicker on rough urban roads as the rider doesn't slow down so much...
And another: narrower handlebars, smaller wheels and a shorter wheelbase let you squeeze through gaps in traffic...
At the other end of the scale, urban bike shops are selling no end of 'hybrids' - light hardtail rigid fork bike frames with 700mm wheels. I had a Ridgeback Genesis which was about the fastest thing I've ridden through town. No idea why. Probably because it didn't weigh anything..
Light = quicker.
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Probably, all in all, both are roughly as fast. But it is highly dependent on the conditions.
Also, I should add that the Birdy with regular Marathons on it (not Racers) averaged about 17MPH when I was unloaded and on great roads in Thailand. That is a *huge* difference, and makes me think that small wheels might exaggerate rolling resistance differences between tires.
And one final point, if I wasn't into ego gratification and settled in to the 17MPH Marathons, I would probably have a faster average time to work; I get at least one flat per 10 days, and take 15 minutes to repair it.
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Probably just as importantly, you are likely to be more upright on the comfort stem, no? I wonder how things might change with Selvios and a sport stem.
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Therefore, smaller wheels will only offer better acceleration if they are lighter. Now, although it might be argued that the lowest possible physical limit on weight should be lower for smaller wheels, folding bike wheels are almost always built closer to the relative design proportions of BMX wheels (in terms of the relative spoke angles, relative spoke hole placement, relative hub widths, relative flange heights, etc) than road bike wheels and even when the designs are more optmized for speed they still usually suffer due to the economic infeasibility of tooling up with the same state of the art manufacturing technology used to build the (more popular) larger wheel sizes. So in the end it seems that, more often than not, folders have worse acceleration not better.
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I commute everyday on any of my four bikes. The commute covers 10 kms from my suburban house to my downtown office in Vancouver. Below are the one-way travel times averaged for each bike.
1) Cervelo R3 - road/racing bike
- Sunny summer conditions
- 18 mins
2) Dahon Cadenza
- Summer rainy conditions
- 20 mins
3) Dahon Speed TR
- Occasional
- 22 mins
4) Norco Commuter (heavy)
- Winter rainy conditions
- 24 mins
So, why is the racing bike only marginally quicker in time than the Dahon Cadenza? Well, cuz speed on a commute is only significant during the acceleration phase of the stage. On an urban commute, about 20% of my time is accelerating; it is in this stage that my Cervelo is WAY quicker, but in doing the math, it only can reduce my commute time by 10%.
So, my point is any good road bike will be sufficiently fast overall in an urban commute.
1) Cervelo R3 - road/racing bike
- Sunny summer conditions
- 18 mins
2) Dahon Cadenza
- Summer rainy conditions
- 20 mins
3) Dahon Speed TR
- Occasional
- 22 mins
4) Norco Commuter (heavy)
- Winter rainy conditions
- 24 mins
So, why is the racing bike only marginally quicker in time than the Dahon Cadenza? Well, cuz speed on a commute is only significant during the acceleration phase of the stage. On an urban commute, about 20% of my time is accelerating; it is in this stage that my Cervelo is WAY quicker, but in doing the math, it only can reduce my commute time by 10%.
So, my point is any good road bike will be sufficiently fast overall in an urban commute.