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Old 08-02-08, 11:20 AM   #1
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Time to recover a stolen Brompton

This is from Patrick Auguste, and was forwarded to the Birdy forum. I cannot vouch for it's authenticity:

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Please help find the rightful owner. I originally viewed this bike at Kings Cross station, London when the buyer was going let me view it along with the orginal receipt. He could not produce the receipt and said was it surplus stock from a friends shop is Essex. I asked for the serial number to check with Brompton to see if it was stolen but he stormed off and said he was in a hurry. The seller did not even know how to unfold the bike also, the saddle is not the original (should be Vitesse saddle) even though he said it was new. Could someone post it on Brompton forum to see if someone recognises it. The seller on ebay said he purchased it from the States and won't give me the serial number. eBay


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Old 08-02-08, 01:14 PM   #2
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Here is the complete URL: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BROMPTON-S2L-X...ayphotohosting
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Old 08-28-08, 08:02 AM   #3
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If more people did what you did, I might not have to fret about bike locks and loosing my bikes all the time. I might not have had the experience of comeing home to my house being smashed in and my place violated.

Thank you.

There is nothing cool about stealing.
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this makes me think for a second.... what happened if someone asked me this, i dont know the serial numbers and i dont have the original manual for my trek
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Old 08-28-08, 08:24 AM   #5
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Deja vu here I believe. I mean who would sell a beautiful 2008 bike like the Mu SL with cash on collection for a mere 360 when it would have got far more in open bidding and adding other payment options? See link below. Sadly the UK police regard such theft as petty crime.. I agree Baklone it's a violation and most of us work hard to pay for expensive bikes like these, it doesn't come easy.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-DAHON-MU-SL-FOLDING-BIKE-VERY-LIGHT-FOLDABLE_W0QQitemZ330264984396QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330264984396&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A13|2 40%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Old 08-28-08, 08:27 AM   #6
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this makes me think for a second.... what happened if someone asked me this, i dont know the serial numbers and i dont have the original manual for my trek
I saw the original listing for your Trek WB it seemed bona fide to be honest. I wouldn't worry too much just keep a record of your ebay transaction if you ever want to sell it in the future.

I can at least vouch what dealer I got my Brommie from and track down a receipt if ever I mislaid the documents. I'd doubt I'd ever sell her on unless Brompton come out with some remarkable new version of their bike available in raw lacquer. I think I would get very long odds from the bookmakers on that lol!
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Seller of the ultra cheap Mu SL has another non-folder up for sale
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CANNONDALE-SYNAPSE-CARBON-SL-DURA-ACE-2008-ROAD-BIKE_W0QQitemZ330265339318QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330265339318&_trkparms=72%3A985|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3 A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

Funny how they own so many fancy bikes including folders and want to sell them.
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The same picture is used on the auctions on the 21st and 15th of August.

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I would advise the minute anyone sees a suspicious bike listing to report it to ebay using link at the bottom of all listings citing a very brief reason why you think it's suspicious.

Edit: Actually ebay are useless and sent automated response they do not follwo up suspicions of stolen property unless its from a law enforcement office. I suppose given the number of nuts or malicious reports that is understandable to some degree. Of course ebay and paypal always take the least effort route as well on most disputes and issues.

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ebay

Ebay is strictly in the business of selling items and getting their take. They do not really care if what for sell is stolen, but they pretend too. They do not care if you had a bad experience, because other choices are so limited, they know you will be back. They basically have a monopoly. The fact they own Paypal should be criminal.

My feeling is that this sort of business perpetuates crime by having a world wide audience for stolen goods. Getting a great deal on Ebay is not worth the crime that it endorses. A few bucks cheaper now is a trade for a less safe and secure world and is no bargain.

Word of advice when using Paypal use the credit card option. The first time I got ripped off, Paypal did nothing for me but send me form letters until they wore me out. When ripped off the second time I worked with my credit card company and got my money back.

I also did not give negative feed back for either bad experience because I wanted my account clean. What does that tell you about the feedback accuracy? Ebay likes clean non-negative accounts and I believe has recently made policies make it more difficult for sellers to give negative feedback. Negative feedback lowers prices and number of sales and hurts Ebay in the short term. Perhaps another auction site will do a better job than Ebay has and work for the long term company and not the short term buck.

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Ebay is strickly in the business of selling items and getting their take. They do not really care if what for sell is stollen, but they pretend too. They do not care if you had a bad experience, because other choices are so limited, they know you will be back. They basicly have a monopoly. The fact they own Paypal should be criminal. My feeling is that this sort of business perpetuates crime by having a world wide audience for stolen goods. Trust me getting a great deal on Ebay is not worth the crime that it endorces, I few bucks cheaper now in is a trade for a less safe and secure world and is no bargain.

Word of advice when using Paypal use the credit card option. Paypal did nothing for me but send me form letters until they wore me out. When ripped off the second time I worked with my credit card company and got my money back.
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When I once saw on ebay a so suspicious offer that I would "have hacked my hand" it was a stolen bike or otherwise untrue offer (strange reason for selling, wrong fold, wrong position of framenumber-sticker, wrong "original" price, etc.), I reported to ebay and nothing happened. This is frustrating to see the betray and its just going to get on.
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Yes, last I checked it was illegal to sell stolen goods. International trafficking in stolen goods is a bit more serious. Ebay does almost nothing to ensure that their goods are not stolen. I wonder what Interpol would say...

Time to write them?
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I have seen or heard of two bikes being recovered via online forums. One here a while back, and one that made it into the NY Times.
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