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    dahon vitesse, from derailer to internal gear conversion??

    dear all,
    I just acquired a used dahon vitesse, equipped with a 6 speed derailer.
    I am planning to convert this into an internal geared hub, just for the sake of a cleaner look.
    as I searched the web, it seems that this version of mine is not on the us nor global dahon catalog.
    but I see available was a d3 d5 version with internal gear (In Indonesia, I haven't seen them)
    What I want to ask is: how does dahon do it? If my frame has a vertical drop out, what do I do with chain tension? I guess horizontal drop outs is best for singlespeed, FIXED, and internal geared hubs.
    I feel reluctant to add some more weight by adding a chain tensioner.
    also: the hub I already bought prior to the bike, is a sram t3. with a COASTER brake. I am planning to remove all the v brakes. Has anyone done this? How NOT recommended will this set up be? ( I hear noise coming.............)

    Please help, dahon vitesse owners!!!
    thanks in advance...

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    just saw the pictures from another thread.
    Mu uno!! (look ma, no brakes!!!!)
    hope I can do the same to my vitesse.
    (I am not a idea-hijacker, I guess I already had this thought a while back)

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    Tedi,

    To begin with, you might also take a look at the forum community on the Dahon board for more thoughts and advise. I have a USA Dahon Vitesse D7, and have some literature from Europe from a recent business trip. Don't remember seeing a D6, but that's not to say that such a beast couldn't have been built at some time in the past.

    On the subject of conversion, a few things come to mind.

    Swapping hubs will require new spokes, as the flange diameters & dishing will be different. That's worth around $25 USD, and you will need some exact measurements to get this right. There is a program called SpoCal on Sheldon Brown's site that I used when making a hub change recently.

    The dropout spacing will be different going from a cluster to an internal hub. Some of the 3 speed hubs are as small as 110 mm, and you are probably a bit above that now. Aluminum doesn't like to be cold worked - it tends to crack rather than bend. Spacers may be in order. If the dropouts are truly vertical, you will be dealing with either luck or a tensioner to get the chain tight.

    You will need good anti-rotation washers on the hub. This was a problem on some Dahon models with internal hubs. I'm really not sure what the whole issue was on this. And you will need a new shifter & cable arrangement.

    I can see possibly dropping the rear handbrake, but please (!) keep the front. Proper technique for shortest distance stopping requires modulation of both the front and the rear brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedi k wardhana View Post
    dear all,
    I just acquired a used dahon vitesse, equipped with a 6 speed derailer.
    I am planning to convert this into an internal geared hub, just for the sake of a cleaner look.
    as I searched the web, it seems that this version of mine is not on the us nor global dahon catalog.
    but I see available was a d3 d5 version with internal gear (In Indonesia, I haven't seen them)
    What I want to ask is: how does dahon do it? If my frame has a vertical drop out, what do I do with chain tension? I guess horizontal drop outs is best for singlespeed, FIXED, and internal geared hubs.
    I feel reluctant to add some more weight by adding a chain tensioner.
    also: the hub I already bought prior to the bike, is a sram t3. with a COASTER brake. I am planning to remove all the v brakes. Has anyone done this? How NOT recommended will this set up be? ( I hear noise coming.............)

    Please help, dahon vitesse owners!!!
    thanks in advance...

    tedi k wardhana

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    You can do it without a chain tensioner, but you need to juggle the chainring/sprocket combo and perhaps incorporate a half-link for the chain to attain proper tension .. otherwise, you'll need a chain tensioner (singulator or the like) or change to an eccentric bottom bracket to allow precise chain tension.. here's my JetXp (vertical drops) at one point in it's life..


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    Another point: You can't use a coaster brake with any kind of chain tensioner.
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    Another point: You can't use a coaster brake with any kind of chain tensioner.

    How very true! I had to think about this for a minute in order to see the obvious.

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    If you loosen the hub, the chain will come right off. Then you simply have to loosen the spring flange.
    It shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to get it apart.

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    A rough measurement of the dropout spacing measured at lunchtime shows around 125 mm (one and a half photo ID cards, or so...). Not as wide as I thought it would be, but still wider than the last internal 3spd with coaster hub I mounted. I was thinking about a standard sized bike that would have been quite a bit wider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fibber View Post
    Another point: You can't use a coaster brake with any kind of chain tensioner.

    How very true! I had to think about this for a minute in order to see the obvious.
    I had to think for a while too.
    thanks!

    so, we have come to a temporary conclusion, NOT to use a chain tensioner.
    but the question still remains, and I hope vitesse d3/d5 owners can answer:

    how does dahon officially do it?
    does it mean that they make TWO versions of the frame?
    one with a vertical drop out, the other with a horizontal one?
    or they use eccentric bottom bracket?

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    You can disable the coaster brake, use a chain tensioner and use the T3 just for the gears.
    See:
    coaster brake removal ? from a new guy
    if you remove the coaster brake arm, will it just be a freewheel?

    Some hubs make dis-/reassembly difficult apparently, see:
    Removing coaster brake from Nexus 7-speed hub?

    You might want to contact dober, he seems to know his stuff.

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