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    I have two folders, a Brompton which is used for commuting by train to London then for getting around to my various places of work and a Birdy for longer rides in the country and touring returning by public transport. The Brompton always lives in the car and is used to avoid paying for parking in the cities/towns wherever possible.

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    I use two kind of transports. To and fro the Store to buy food and also to visit the Library and such. It is not allowed to take any kind of bike in. Maybe if they are in a bag?

    Rollators are allowed though and that is why I want to invent a Rollator/Walker with wheels that can get kicked like a kick board.

    So I use an ordinary bke that I park outside. I have a 28" regular bike for that cause it has 7 gears built into the hub and are practical to get high speed on and laid back position sitting straight up.

    but when it is winter and very slippery and snowy then I use a four wheel 12" Double Kickbike cause they are very safe to use when it is easy to fall on all other bikes. But one have to kick to get going on it. Takes about double effort to keep same speed as the 7 gear bike. So very tiring to use unless one accept it take double time to go cause if one slow down speed then it is less demanding than walking same distance and more safe and faster than walkign so very good at winter.

    Folders I use on Bus, Train and Subway/Underground cause some of them accept very small folders but not the bigger ones.

    Elias, if your folder the one that one stand on are so light weight and if it has the right price then most likely I will or would buy one. I collect bikes. I have more bikes than I have use for.
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    I would add some folding bike riders fail to see how the small preformance advantage edge of a fixed out weighs the convience of a folding bike, if it is never needed. Its a bit like getting a microwave oven, you dont realise the advantagers untill you own one. I am hoping to get folders that all the family can use. but I am struggling with finding folding bikes that the children can enjoy ridding,(possibl Dahon curves?).Thus i can use a standard familiy car to take families' bikes to parks ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliasson_jonas View Post
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    who buys them
    My Xootr Swift is my main mode of commuting. When I don't ride it, I take the subway.

    Until they changed schools, I used it to tow my four-year-old twins to and from school in the morning.

    I also use it for recreational rides when my road bike isn't in good repair.
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    I would agree with most of what Somatash wrote, but I'd drop the age limit down lower.
    I've found that most other young people, teens, and kids turn their head at folding bikes...particularly my Swift.

    I'm 25, ride a Swift, and I use it to explore (and occasionally commute). My only gripe with my bike is that it's not always accepted on the MUNI. Like Jur's said in previous post, the Swift is really...swift.

    I'm in the market for a smaller bike that can support my 80 kg (and 30" inseam), ride reasonably well, and can unobtrusively sneak into a bus. If it can take stock components (handlebars, seatpost, pedals), that'd be nice (I was going to put bullhorns, and a suspended saddle on the Carryme)

    Getting my folding bike was like getting my first Swiss Army Knife. There are soooo many things that I'd never have considered, or thought possible until after the fact.

    I'll wait off on my next purchase until I see your prototype. If it's as nice as you say, I'll see if I can talk to some parkour guys into making a cool video...and I'll probably be buying one (depending on price/performance).

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    I live in a global city (New York) and there are many crowded and bike-unfriendly spaces here (subways, buses, movie theaters, bars, restaurants) where one could not even bring a 16" folder inside. There is also a high amount of bike thievery, so keeping one's "personal mobility device" on hand and in sight at all times is really the only fool-proof solution to theft (at least until NYC rolls out a comprehensive bike-share program).

    I think living car-free is not only a more sustainable solution to pollution and climate change but better for our own health (exercise), everyone's safety (think of the number of car fatalities per year), and the design and enjoyment of our communities and cities, which have been ruined by decades of auto-oriented planning.

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    I hae temporary changed location at work.Theerfore as its a bit further to cycle.I decided to use my folder in a different way lately. I take the buss into work. With a week pass its fairly cheap. I then cycle back for exercise without the worry of getting to work on time,being sweaty ect. One way cycle commuting thats not possible with a fixed bike. If it rains badly I can get catch the buss back!

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    I see many people at large parks with just children's bikes, or they use an unnecessary large car,(possibly only bought to facilitate putting four bikes in,) to get four bikes to the area in the car. However four 16" folding bikes can go in a family car boot with four adults in about ten minutes or less. Much faster and more secure than using a cycle rack.

    Many people don't understand why an adult would want to use a 16" folding bike, but when they hear that I can do this with my bikes they realise. My 16" bike is about as fast as touring bike.

    I used to own a 2 seater open car and sold it to buy a car I could fit a bike in to for mountian biking. If only then I had heard of a Dahon full suspenion bike.

    Many people I believe buy larger family cars to facilate fitting bikes in a dozen or so times a year. I feel it is not the car that is too small it is the bikes that are wrong for their intended usage.

    Most people do not need performance that goes beyond say Dahon offerings, If they do there is always Airaminal ,bike friday, moulton, etc or even montage offering that do or can be upgraded to near competion levels.

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    Hello again everyone.
    We are back on the forum after a long intensive development time in the workshop- and on the roads to raise capital
    W have been diligently working on the vehicle- now dubbed the Me-Mover. in some ways a lot better than we hoped
    *driving experience!!! its really fun and very agile in any speeds
    *speed- we will reach +50km/h)
    *folding time- sub 2 seconds folding

    and in some regards we have settled for less-
    *the folded size is bigger 1m*30cm*45cm,
    *weight slightly higher- ~10kg.

    but it still folds to a trolley, integrating luggage, and looks good www.me-mover.com

    check it out and give me a comment www.me-mover.com
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    I think you are going to have a lot of people comparing it to a child’s scooter. You may find people see it as a something of a gimmick...... Has anyone tested it over more than a few miles? Because without a seat I would imagine that it would become tiresome rather quickly?

    Looks like great fun but it is no substitute for a folding bike.

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    Serious transportation AND fun

    The Me-Mover IS indeed great fun. it has been tested fr hundreds of kilometres by different users. When I use it in the city, i am simply following the traffic flow- overtaking most of the bikers. average speed in City traffic (including stops) is for me 20-25 km/h - while on my city racer it would be 25-30 km/h

    It is no problem going 2,5, 8, 10 Kilometers on the Me-Mover. I would like the sitting on a bike versus standing on a Me-Mover argument as walking or sitting in a Wheel chair. Yes you do use your legs, but in a way that they are built fopr, and it lots more comfortable to stand in the right position than sitting on a bike saddle

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    on other forums somebody would have said long time ago ... Buy an add !...

    but we over here are much more civilized of course.
    Keep the marketing promises somewhat real... I would never been caught to go 50 KMH on something like that (over 30 miles ) and 2 seconds folding time is pushing the envelope ( same as 15 for a Dahon by that matter ) unless you can proove it.

    its a nice little toy .. how much ?
    By the way you will get old before you find somebody to give you money to start producing anything on the bike industry. If you believe in your own product get a loan and start building .... otherwise its gonna be a pipe dream ( its not that new anyhow, they are other rollers available, which work the same way )
    reality check in some way but than you asked for it, didnt you ?
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    I rode an Elliptigo the other day.. was riding my TSR-18 and spied one being shown to local bike retailer Mike's Bikes crew.. Shimano Alfine 8spd equipped ... quite the scene of gawkers on the street with just the new TSR and the Elliptigo to look at.. the demonstrator made lots of claims of riding Centuries and steep inclines.. I took it around the block .. actually worked pretty well .. if you can use an elliptical trainer for hours at a time, this might be some fun..



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    That looks cool Bruce! But "Run without impact"?? REALLY? we are designed to run! http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher...rn_to_run.html


    I tried the DreamSlide and i was also impressed, but I like sitting down on my saddle



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    Juan, thanks for the link on bare foot running... very interesting..

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    Surely without a saddle your putting a lot more weight on your legs..... and can't benefit from having a rest while coasting down hills. When you ride a normal bike the saddle takes a lot of the body weight and the legs can be used to power the cranks rather than in this case hold the body upright. I also suspect that you lose some of the stability and control that sitting on a saddle afford the rider.

    This is probably more suited to teenagers / 20 somethings, especially the BMX types.... I doubt there will be much of a market for middle aged or older people.

    The public often stop me to ask about my Brompton and the the kids think it is "cool" or "sick"...... somehow I think they'd fall over laughing if I was to ride one of these.

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    I bought my Dahon single-speed folder as a convenience tool. Last fall I needed to commute on a daily basis to radiation treatments to a hospital about 130km away. I took the bus/train up to the city, unfold my bike and ride the 2km to the hospital. Reversed steps on the way back. It was also therapeutic in that I got to bike ride in the winter during radiation therapy.
    Now that my treatments are over, I use the bike for short trips up in the city. Again, using the bus/train for a portion of the journey. Getting around on wheels at the destination is quicker than on foot and the simplicity of the singlespeed drivetrain is a no-brainer when you're constantly folding/un-folding the bike.
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    Here's a suggestion. I think there is a market for a folding bike that can be folded into a back-pack or at least folded in such a way that it can be carried at a person's back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliasson_jonas View Post
    Hello again everyone.
    We are back on the forum after a long intensive development time in the workshop- and on the roads to raise capital
    W have been diligently working on the vehicle- now dubbed the Me-Mover. in some ways a lot better than we hoped
    *driving experience!!! its really fun and very agile in any speeds
    *speed- we will reach +50km/h)
    *folding time- sub 2 seconds folding

    and in some regards we have settled for less-
    *the folded size is bigger 1m*30cm*45cm,
    *weight slightly higher- ~10kg.

    but it still folds to a trolley, integrating luggage, and looks good www.me-mover.com

    check it out and give me a comment www.me-mover.com
    It looks good, but its definitely just for short rides. As someone had pointed out, "you can't sit while coasting" is its major downside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister View Post
    on other forums somebody would have said long time ago ... Buy an add !...

    but we over here are much more civilized of course.
    Keep the marketing promises somewhat real... I would never been caught to go 50 KMH on something like that (over 30 miles ) and 2 seconds folding time is pushing the envelope ( same as 15 for a Dahon by that matter ) unless you can proove it.

    its a nice little toy .. how much ?
    By the way you will get old before you find somebody to give you money to start producing anything on the bike industry. If you believe in your own product get a loan and start building .... otherwise its gonna be a pipe dream ( its not that new anyhow, they are other rollers available, which work the same way )
    reality check in some way but than you asked for it, didnt you ?
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    thanks for you comment Thor. Firstly- I am quite proud of our product, and what we have built-I am sorry if you think I was boasting to much.

    I think I state in my comment that the average speed is around 20-25 km/h quite clearly- while the TOP speed is will be above 50. Today I have taken it to 43.- then I run out of gears
    The 2 second folding is measured- and look at the video for proof. I might use 3 seconds there...

    if there are other rollers out there anywhhere near us- please post a link! I wouldn't spend 100's of engineering hours if there were duplicates, which were well functioning! I have seen a lot of somewhat similar stuff, but none that equals ours in driveability, handling, efficiency and folding properties. BUT then again I might have missed something so please fill me in! we have been working on 2 years on the Me-Mover project, and while the bicycle industry might be hesitant toi put money in the business, the sports and fitness industry has a different view. And I am full time working to put the Me-Mover in production, which will happend in medium volumes this summer.
    and Yes I was asking for your opinions!

    best

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    and all others- thanks for input. Brucemetras and Juan- I am myself an engaged barefoot runner- since I started last summer I had no more sore knees, and it's just become more fun to run!

    For me the Me-Mover is a way to "run faster" or go faster and safer than on inliners- with the same feel, and without necessarily getting sweaty- since one can chose going in ordinary bike speeds. Indeed it is focussed on shorter stretches- focus is 1-5 km, which accounts for 92% of all bike trips. but again as said before it is fine to ride at leat 10 km. It is a lot easier on you to ride the me-mover than standing on a bike- the reason is that the height of the pedal movement can be much lower- eg you can bike / me-move with relatively small leg movements.

    When rolling downhill you stand upright, resting on BOTH feet in bottom position (unless you think you might wanna go faster quite relaxed, but off course the legs have to lift your body. the big difference here from using elliptigo or bike, is that the pedals worlk independently, so that you can have both feed in bottomposition at the same time, or just pedal with one foot if you want..

    have been thinking of the back pack- its a good idea! but for a first generation we have to stick with the trolley..

    again, very happy for comments and input!!

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    Looking at the video on your site, The first thought I had was: "I wouldn't mind having one of those."

    There are a couple of caveats, but I can see the usefulness of something like this -- not instead of a folding bike, but more as an advanced scooter. The quick and small fold certainly appeal, as does the way it rolls when it's folded. Maybe the most appealing thing to me is it's low-speed stability. If I was to use something like this, I'd likely want to take it in areas populated by pedestrians. Doing this with a bike is awkward at best. With something like this pootling along at a couple of miles per hour doesn't look any more difficult than cruising along at 10-12 .

    That said, price would be my main concern. Too high, and I'll just walk by folding bike around instead. I don't think I'd consider it for much above $500.00

    I also wonder what happens when you slam on that front brake in a panic stop. Ooof.

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    eliasson_jonas,

    I can see the me-mover being a big hit on college campuses. Especially with the ability to wheel it into the classroom and park it next to yourself as a bag transport instead of chaining a bike up outside to be stolen.

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    Bruce - You welcome! I love my Vibram 5 fingers

    Eliasson - I know you are very passionate about your product but you have to sit down and do a SWOT analysis with someone that is not as involved as you in the project.

    Here is a very basic analysis from what I can see;

    Strengths:
    Folds flat
    Rolls no need to carry (very important)
    Fun
    Different
    No height restriction (I assume, since it doesn't have a seat)

    Weaknesses
    Different (works boths ways)
    Large fold (too big to bring to a restaurant)
    Small wheels (Yes, we all know here it size does not matter, but try telling that to your average joe)

    Opportunities
    Leisure - California baby! (or where I am from, Mallorca)
    Health and fitness
    Toy
    Gadgets - Think Go-Karts
    Extreme sports


    Threats
    Target market - Do people what this?

    I suggest you dont market this as "Transport" and dont get too carried away about 50km/h, this might sound cool but it automatically makes people feel uncomfortable & unsafe. Have a look at how other similar products market themselves.



    Saying this, I think if you work hard enough & you manage to bring the cost down to lets say $300 (and find the right manufacture) I think it could work.



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    I bought a Dahon Expresso, specifically to use when traveling by train which I do several times a year.

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