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Old 02-23-11, 11:04 PM   #51
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In my opinion the only civilized way to travel is by rail; and we never leave home without bicycles. The problem is that on Amtrak's long distance trains, regular bikes have to go in the baggage car, which requires baggage service at both ends - most smaller stations don't have baggage service. The solution is folding bikes, which go as carry on luggage.
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@folding bikes // thanks for SWOT, and your input... we are moving that direction too, but again we are trying to pinoint our positioning thats why I am here to get your inputs. Love to deliver one to Mallorca (did you sign up as a test driver?)
- I love my 5 fingers too, the most comfortable running shoes I ever had- but after less than one year they are falling to pieces

@ratdog - we are getting quite a lot of responses on that, many students want to test drive the me-mover on their campuses. that just might be the place to start..

anyway GOOD weekend to you all
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agree- do you know amtraks size limitations for carry on luggage// folding bike
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Amtrak's carry on requirements are 71.1 cm by 55.9 cm by 35.6 cm
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agree- do you know amtraks size limitations for carry on luggage// folding bike
As far as Amtrak carry-on luggage is concerned, I'm sure jaypayne's dimensions are correct. Also, the limit, not counting purses, laptops, diaper bags, FOLDING BIKE, etc. is 2 bags. The weight limit is 50 lbs per bag.

However, the on-the-ground rule is that if you can schlep it on board without requiring help from employees or making a nuisance of yourself, you will be OK. Not that employees won't help, it's just the rules were put in place to protect their backs.

As far folding bikes are concerned, the only ambiguity is that the rules say on "certain passenger cars". From experience, these include bi-level superliner coaches and sleepers, Horizon coaches (mainly Midwest corridor trains), Amfleet II coaches (east of Chicago long distance trains), and of course California bi-levels and Pacific Northwest Talgos which have bike racks. There aren't community luggage rack in Viewliner sleepers (east of Chicago long distance trains), although if you were desperate, a folder might fit on top of the commode or shower (bedroom only). However, when I did the Eire Canal with a Dahon MuP8, I was able to stash it in the luggage rack in a coach on the Lake Shore Limited leaving Chicago and returning from Albany, even though I was traveling in a sleeper.

This list leaves out only Amfleet I coaches (mainly northeast corridor regionals) and the Acela Express. I haven't had occasion to ride Amfleet I's with a folder, but they do have a luggage rack at one end of each car that would take them. I don't know about the Acela situation.
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eliasson_jonas,

Just an fyi, but you may want to check into as many laws as possible regarding using the me-mover on a sidewalk. For instance, in NYC it will be classified a bicycle and restricted to bike paths and streets unless you have hard (non-inflatable) tires. If you have hard wheels, it can fall under scooter which will allow sidewalk usage. It may make a difference as to whether you're going to have a market or not.
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eliasson_jonas,

I would be happy to sign up as a Test Rider. Just a bit of a background: I have a kickbike (scooter), had a Xootr scooter, now a Dahon Speed 8 converted to a singlespeed which I use as one of my folding bikes for a 40 km roundtrip commute, a Pacific CarryMe, an XtraCycle cargo bike attachment with electric motor, a Softride beam suspension bicycle. I have experience in conventional bikes, 20" wheel folding bikes and small wheeled folding bikes like the CarryMe.

The advantage I see with the Me-Mover is the tricycle wheel for stability. The walking motion to power the vehicle is certainly interesting and sustainable for short distances.

- Could you post a video showing a rider doing 30 km/h or above? The video on the website is only showing walking speeds on the sidewalk. Perhaps another clip showing the Me-Mover going fast or changing gears will be informative.

- How does the Me-Mover perform climbing hills?

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More videos here:
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Rider from Portland, Oregon, here... I don't have a folding bicycle currently, but am about to get one for my commute, which typically involves riding 3 miles to the train ,and 2 miles from there to work in the morning -- and at least some of the time riding the full 13 miles back home in the evening without train assistance. I also sometimes need to drop my young child (on a Burley Piccolo trailerbike) off at school or pick up after school. Bikes are allowed on our trains, but the racks are often full -- to the point that I'm all too often finding myself stuck on the platform waiting for the next train.

I've settled on the Xootr Swift. It's not the smallest fold, but compact enough to meet my transit agency's regulations (and actually, its uniquely narrow fold is particularly suited to our trains). I chose it because it's one of the highest-performance folders and has the ability to mount a standard rack and pull my child on the tow-behind. I also expect to travel with the Swift from time to time, by the way, since it can fit inside a car trunk or airline-legal suitcase (the airline I fly most, Delta, otherwise surcharges $175 each way for bikes!). I really am attempting to replace a full-sized bike here, so for this use the me-mover would not meet my needs.

However ... I also have a Razor A5 scooter (this is the more "full-sized" model with 200mm wheels). As an alternative to the commute described above, on days I don't have to do school pickup/dropoff I can scoot 2 miles to the train, then less than a mile from the train to work. This means a somewhat longer commute overall, with more time on the train, but does work fairly well. The A5's wheels are big enough to roll over even very bad pavement, and at 4kg with a very small, quick fold it is easy to carry on board. Also, at $80 it was incredibly inexpensive. I do like riding it, but it does have some drawbacks. Biggest for me, by far, is the limited grip of the plastic wheels. They make the scooter simply too dangerous to use in wet conditions: not only do the wheels skid out, but the fender brake becomes useless. In our climate, that means the A5 is simply not a year-round solution. I've thought about getting the Know-Ped, which has real brakes and solid rubber tires, it is quite a bit more money and weight, and its wheels are smaller. I would even more strongly consider a larger-wheeled (12", e.g.) kickbike, but have not found one that folds.

Of course an inherent downside of all normal scooters and kickbikes is that you're limited to the speed at which you can kick. And that's where, to me, the Me-Mover has a strong appeal: at least in terms of my requirements, it's like a scooter but with the ability to use mechanical advantage to go much faster. Just like the safety bicycle took the the velocipede and added the ability to use mechanical advantage to go faster -- and in so doing, created a revolution in personal transportation. Whether the Me-Mover could do the same depends on its execution:
  • How much faster does the drivetrain enable you to go with the same effort? Is my speed going to be just a few mph higher than a regular scooter, or will it close the gap with folding bikes and approach the speed of a Brompton or Strida?
  • How well does it climb hills? To me one of the biggest downsides of a scooter is that once you get to a 2-3% grade for any distance, you're better off walking. The ability to climb hills of 3, 4, 5% at above a walking pace would be killer, if it can do it.
  • How well does it maneuver on sidewalks? Here in Portland proper, scooters are legally allowed everywhere bicycles are, but in most places (including the suburb where I work) you're going to need to be able to seamlessly share with pedestrians on sidewalks and MUPs.
  • How well does it fold? OK, that's addressed in the video. About the same length with just a bit more width/diameter than my A5. Looks good.
  • and how much does it cost? For me, this is something I would consider for trips up to 2-4 miles if the price were in the $200-300 range. Much above that, and I'd stick with the Swift.

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Old 03-08-11, 11:03 AM   #60
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@brucemetras- I got your message, but are unable to respond since I haven't posted 50 posts yets

can you send me a mail?

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noticed someone mention that it'd be a great hit with college campuses - here's an example of how I use a folding bike on campus:
I use a pannier for that short distance because I pulled a neck muscle not too long ago when I was trying to check for traffic while wearing a backpack.

Though from what I've seen around, other folks with folding bikes seem to prefer locking theirs outside and the only things I see brought inside are long boards/skateboards and scooters, which can be stashed under desks and seats. However, I've never seen anyone on boards nor scooters ever attempt the hills around here, so it'd be an awesome compromise if it could handle hills and the price was right for students.
But even though the me-mover folds really fast, it's still pretty bulky for being folded. Most college students around here would probably prefer a smaller but slower folded package. My tikit's pretty big, but not long in any particular direction, and a lot smaller than the unfolded size. Maybe if you could adjust the handlebar down and get it shorter it'd help a bunch.

I also use my bike to traverse the ten miles to the train station on a weekly basis (time lapse video still in the works).

While I'm not sure how great the me-mover would work for longer distances, it certainly seems like the kind of thing that would be wonderful for folks with balance issues. I've a few friends who are unable to bike or scooter due to balance troubles, and most trikes are either way too cumbersome to be very practical or are way too expensive. It'd be grand if I could get these friends traveling people-powered with me instead of driving!
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@ ratdog WOW that's an interesting piece of information. we have been looking at a non inflatable optiopn, but have disregarded it due to time constraints- but now it makes sense. how did you find that out??

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@ puppypilgrim- thanks for your interest - if you want to be a test driver- could I ask you to file a mail through our website- then it's easier for me to keep track We'll make a movie in higher speeds- haven'Ýt thought of that before (sic)
anyway- we have just implemented gears- that is hi and low gear. before the bearing was too high for hills, and too low for slopes/ long stretches. I'll get back with test report on the new gear- works nicely- but we have not tested it in real life yet
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@ MarMek thanks for the video! cool. looks like a good scenario for a me-mover. for the ten miles to the trainstation it would put some sweat on your forehead I believe it would be interesting to do a tryout for people with balancial problems. while in basic design the Me-Mover is a able to lean- eg it is not a stable platform, but needs the user to balance it- albeit a lot easier than a bicycle- it needs some skills, and (even for a biker) some adaption. normally it requers around 100 meters of me-moving to be familiar with it ( that accounts also for people that do not bike). on the other hand, we have in the works a stabilizer- that can make the me-mover close tor rigid, for beginners and for balancially challenged people...
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@ GlowBoy- thanks for a lenghty and detailed post. Concerning speed- up to 10-20 km/h you use approximatively the same energy as on a bike, we are working on more exact numbers on this by measuring bio-data, will be done shortly. Comparison is done to a regular bike- not a racing/ performance bike. above 20 km/h that you start paying more for the upright standing position= higher wind resistance.

hill climbing- as I said in an earlier post- I think it will be fine with the new gear, but again will report on this as we test further in the coming weeks

price point is not fully set yet- BUT it will be higher than USD 300, it is a quality device with quite a lot of mechanics inside.
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It seems that I may be wrong & that it may only apply if you're 14 years old or under. It seems that this is going to be called a bike in NYC & must be in the street for most people.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/ADC/19/1/3/19-176
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While I understand in general principal how complex your invention is, anything over 300 USD might be too high of a price point for the masses in the US in my opinion. In my opinion, you will have to have an excellent marketing pitch to your target audience in order to get more than $299 for the me-mover. I hope I am wrong because I really like the device itself, but that is just my opinion based on my background in wholesale product and my general business experience in the US.

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While I understand in general principal how complex your invention is, anything over 300 USD might be too high of a price point for the masses in the US in my opinion. In my opinion, you will have to have an excellent marketing pitch to your target audience in order to get more than $299 for the me-mover. I hope I am wrong because I really like the device itself, but that is just my opinion based on my background in wholesale product and my general business experience in the US.
I think that saying $299 is a limitation is simplifying things a bit. If that were true, why is there a market for the $10,000 Moultons, or $5,000 Bike Fridays, or even the $800 Strida (one of which is sitting in my closet now)? I think it's all about designing for your target audience, and hitting the mark flawlessly.

The Me-Mover seems to me to fit in a niche that the Strida does. It is a personal transport device that extends how far an average person can go without resorting to external motors. It's good for short distances, multi-modal commutes, around-town errands. Like the Strida, I love how small and easy it is to fold up and store away. It complements use of public transportation.
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I just realized that there is a precedent for a geared, pedal-powered scooter -- the old Honda Kick'N'Go -- and my wife has a model 2 sitting in our basement! I might just have to take that thing out for a spin. Not sure if its performance is in the same league as the Me-Mover, but it's the closest thing conceptually.

Also, I just learned that Pulse Scooters has revived the Kick'N'Go with their Xcelerator model. $120.

Of course the Kick'N'Go models (including the new Pulse) don't fold; that's a key feature of the Me-Mover, and one that is necessary for me to be able to bring it on the train.
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I just realized that there is a precedent for a geared, pedal-powered scooter -- the old Honda Kick'N'Go -- and my wife has a model 2 sitting in our basement! I might just have to take that thing out for a spin. Not sure if its performance is in the same league as the Me-Mover, but it's the closest thing conceptually.

Also, I just learned that Pulse Scooters has revived the Kick'N'Go with their Xcelerator model. $120.

Of course the Kick'N'Go models (including the new Pulse) don't fold; that's a key feature of the Me-Mover, and one that is necessary for me to be able to bring it on the train.
Wow. That looks like fun. According to the video, the Pulse does fold down. I think I may have to get one for my 7 year old son (cough, cough, )

Let us know how the kick propulsion feels!
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I love my folding bike. I wish it folded a little smaller for airplane trips. I mainly use it to commute and fold it for storage in my small NYC apartment or when I take a crowded subway. I put it under buses for out of town trips sometimes and I am about to attempt taking it on a plane without paying oversize baggage charges.
I can throw it in my sister's trunk and use panniers for grocery shopping. The main advantage is that I don't have to plan around taking my bike as much as I would with a nice raod bike. I can change my plans if the weather changes and get a ride or take the subway. The city bus is a little hard unfortunately.
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Amtrak's carry on requirements are 71.1 cm by 55.9 cm by 35.6 cm
http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conten...=1241267293829
Those are the dimensions for Amtrak for regular carryon luggage items. However, they have a much more lenient dimension allowance for carryon of folding bicycles:
"Folding bicycles under the dimensions of 34" x 15" x 48"/860 x 380 x 1120 mm will be allowed onboard all trains in lieu of a piece of baggage. They must be considered a true folding bicycle."

And I just got an email from Amtrak confirming that the above policy also applies to their connecting bus services. [I'm leaving on a 3-day ride to Yosemite park tomorrow and might be returning on Amtrak's bus and train service (bus from El Portal to Merced and train from there back to the Bay Area).] I could get my Bike Friday into the 28" x 22" x 14" size mentioned by jaypayne but it would require some disassembly. Just quickly folding gets it to comply with their more lenient folding bike dimension with no need to remove any components.
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trains out here are over 100 miles inland , and the only commuter line runs from Eugene to seattle and BC,


I too sit on my butt when I think of a Bicycle .. that like the inline wheel Segue ?

I dont recall many mountainous descents in Denmark .. just tail or Headwinds.

but as a inter village shopping thing it might be Fine..

I use my Bike friday as my daily ride , low step over is useful for old guys.
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I use an Oyama East Village folding bike.

I use the bike to ride to work and back. The distance each way is about 5km. I live in Singapore.

My bike has a 3 speed internal gear hub. I appreciate this because I can shift whilst stopped at traffic lights and maintenance is not a problem. Also the gear range is sufficient for my purpose.

My bike came with reflective side wall Kenda Kwest tyres. At the beginning I didn't understand their value - they didn't "look" very reflective. But then I photographed my bike with a camera with flash, and they positively glowed. I imagine that this is how they look under headlights in real world traffic. +1 for reflective side walls and any reflective material.

For more visibility I have a Niteflux 8W rear light and solar powered Chinese branded front light.

My bike has a rear rack. I've tried using various luggage schemes to carry stuff on it but find that I can't use panniers, since they interfere with folding. I don't like rack bags because they tend to list if you put in any weight at all. I now use a simple 30x30cm cargo net. I also have a saddle bag to keep my tools etc.

I use an Airzound Airhorn for vehicles and a friendly pedestrian bell for people.

For security I have vibration sensitive alarm that is installed on the bike permanently. I also have two cheap cable locks. The idea is not to prevent a thief from cutting the lock, but cause sufficient movement on the bike to set off the alarm. The alarm is very effective.

My bike can be pushed along on two wheels whilst folded. This is far better than having to carry it around. Design a bike that can be pushed!

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inactive thread, but just in case Eliasson is still monitoring.

I purchased my Bike Friday Pocket Rocket last year specifically for use in overseas air travel. In my stable is a small fleet of carbon "high performance" bikes and I wanted the same capability, (without having to rent), while visiting Europe. It is very expensive to ship a standard sized bicycle to a different continent, (heck, to ship one anywhere), and the Pocket Rocket collapses enough to fit into a suitcase small enough to avoid over-size and over-weight charges. Upon my destination, I have a bicycle with the same riding position as my road bikes and is capable of 15-mph averages for hours on end; so I don't need to give up performance. I very rarely ride it at home, except to test ride different modifications/enhancements/additions. On domestic trips, one of my road bikes go on the car rack, or even inside the car; so I don't take the Pocket Rocket on trips where I drive myself.

Your Me-Mover CITY is and interesting product, but not one I would be interested in owning. One of the attractions of pedal power is the physical health benefits. Cycling is probably my most frequent and important physical exercise.
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