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    Downtube and touring

    Has anyone had any experience on touring with a downtube folder. Specifically distances of up to 100km per day with camping gear. I am trying to decide if downtube is the way to go for touring and commuting 20 km per day or if Dahon would be a better choice due to have more gearing for hills. Also, any problems pulling a burley trailer with such a bike?

    any input would be appreciated

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    For a great many reasons, neither of these makes is a good touring folding bike, and both are particularly bad for towing stuff.

    If you're seriously thinking about touring the distances you're suggesting, you're looking at more money. I would examine Bike Friday's New World Tourist.

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    I think the Dahon Cadenza (I know its not a 20'er) would a better choice. I know a couple at www.Crazygunonabike.com did a tour using this bike. With the Downtube, you'll be limited on gears, unless there's a way to add a second chainring on it.

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    Downtube Touring

    I tour with my Downtube NS with camping gear and my dog, here are a few pics. I am using the Downtube stock rear rack and a Nashbar front rack that attaches to Vbrake bosses. Ebay sell the rack when Nashbar is out of them. I put on a cheap $40 but very nice triple crank with 44-32-22 rings. Am working on a front der solution for now change rings with a clothes hook that fits on frame and just grap chain with it and move it. Tent, sleeping bag , thermarest, food, tools , dog stuff. Bike weighs about 26 lbs unloaded and with dog about 60-75 depending on how much food is on bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    Am working on a front der solution for now change rings with a clothes hook that fits on frame and just grap chain with it and move it.
    Ok, this we want to see.. . Close up pix?


    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    Tent, sleeping bag , thermarest, food, tools , dog stuff. Bike weighs about 26 lbs unloaded and with dog about 60-75 depending on how much food is on bike.
    Not to be rude, but what is your weight? Thinking totall weight on bike, what is the limit? My friend (approx 80-90 kg) used to travel on a folder with a backpack. He had a lot of spoke problems, especially rear. He got a trailer (The Carry Freedom City) and that helped. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    I tour with my Downtube NS with camping gear and my dog, here are a few pics. I am using the Downtube stock rear rack and a Nashbar front rack that attaches to Vbrake bosses. Ebay sell the rack when Nashbar is out of them. I put on a cheap $40 but very nice triple crank with 44-32-22 rings. Am working on a front der solution for now change rings with a clothes hook that fits on frame and just grap chain with it and move it. Tent, sleeping bag , thermarest, food, tools , dog stuff. Bike weighs about 26 lbs unloaded and with dog about 60-75 depending on how much food is on bike.
    cmcanulty your post is completely irrelevant without further pictures

    I am trying to convert a R20 I have to a "do it all, including touring" folding bicycle. I would be most interested in seeing details of your Downtube, including racks and front gear systems. I also intend to take my dog in my touring trips but she is a little bigger (27 kg) than your dog and I will have to use a trailer that I intend to build. For sure I know I will use as rear hub a SA AW 3 with 2 sprockets and if I can 2 front chain rings.

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    Touring

    I weigh in clothes about 120 so that probably gives me more of a margin. The rack is from Nashbar or if out they're on ebay
    http://cgi.ebay.com/BIKE-PANNIERS-FRONT-RACK-CYCLING-BICYCLE-TOURING-BAGS_W0QQitemZ310115025865QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCycling_Parts_Accessories?hash=item310115025865&_trksid =p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318
    The rear rack came on bike but Yan would probably send you one for right price.
    http://www.downtube.com/
    It is lightweight alum and quite sturdy. the dog weighs 7lbs but I have toured previously with my 19lb dog. The dog food, carrier and all needed dog equipment probably raises her weight to 15 lbs easily. Tent 4lbs , pad 1-2lbs, bag 3lbs , I minimize what else I carry but hartd to keep total under 35lbs for camping and bike tools and spares. Clothes, food, though I don't cook, mostly stealth camp, eat a hot meal once a day in restaurant, usually a big buffet. PB and crackers, fruit, choc, and nuts I carry and a spoon, plate bowl and leatherman type tool, bike multi tool, tube, pump, patch kit. etc Rain gear, sweatsuit for cold nights.
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    cmcanulty, when you say "I weigh in clothes about 120", you mean pounds, right? If so, that is about my weight and I agree with you "that probably gives me more of a margin". I would dare to say "that probably gives us more of an advantage" for weight loading on the bicycle. How much weight do you estimate that you carry on either of the racks? For how long do you tour with those racks? Did you have any trouble with the racks? According to the pictures they seem to be a bit fragile and I hope I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    I weigh in clothes about 120 so that probably gives me more of a margin.

    CM....I have the exact same DT as you do, and all I can say is -----------> W0W !!!
    Your DT rocks !!!, Very nice !
    Im a little porkier at 155lbs, and Ive had about 40lbs on the back rack before with no ill effects.
    With the adjustability of the DT, and the big 2.0 tires, better grips and a sprung seat I added,
    I think a DT would be and excellent century machine ! Its very comfortable when dialed in.

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    You folks definitely have an advantage over me, I'm busting the seams at 230 lbs. Yikes!

    --sam

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    I weigh in clothes about 120
    Lucky you !

    So, are you going to give us a close up on the "front der"?

    I`we got a folder wih a "hand operated" (hands only) double crank system in front. That one is a relatively small fold, but not a touring bike.

    I just built a "detatchable utility bike" with BMX rims + front hub and a Simano Nexus7. I am putting a permanent trailer hitch on it since that is the way to go for me. I am a bit heavyer than you and my dog is 26 kg.

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    Re: #10


    ^^^
    Sam, my Downtube is my daily rider for Floridas 'winter'(?) months
    for reasons I wont bore with here. It gets HAMMERED !
    The wheels are as tuff as a 2.00 steak ! I dont think 230 would
    be overtaxing the frame and wheels. As Ive posted to the point of
    redundancy, the tires and derailleur are the DTs Achiles Heel.
    Change them out, and the lil bugger will do anything !

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    Yes 120 is pounds. There is no front der yet just a triple crank like this but in 170 length
    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...20ATB%20Cranks

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    I put on a cheap $40 but very nice triple crank with 44-32-22 rings. Am working on a front der solution for now change rings with a clothes hook that fits on frame and just grap chain with it and move it.
    This is what I am looking for, if you are done making it that is. I find the DIY stuff much more exiting than the stock stuff.

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    I hope that I can get the front der on and working, but at any rate I know I need the extra low gears for loaded touring as I am 58 years old. I would rather even manually shift front than suffer up every hill with 50lb of dog and camping gear.

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    thaks for the input so far, I guess I am out of luck with the dt as I weigh in at a low 230 lbs and since I was planning to ride some day rides in the rockies this summer the gearing and weight may be an issue

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    If you are going to be touring you will need the gears and a frame designed to handle the weight. A NWT with Dual Drive or a triple chain ring will give you the required gears.

    Doing the Portland Bridge Pedals convinced us that 7-speed Dahon Boardwalks did not have enough gear range and the gears were spaced too far apart. FYI: I am 6'3" and 200 lbs, so my NWT's custom frame fits me better, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    I hope that I can get the front der on and working, but at any rate I know I need the extra low gears for loaded touring as I am 58 years old. I would rather even manually shift front than suffer up every hill with 50lb of dog and camping gear.
    Kick the dog out at least!!

    My dog is running (and helping by pulling) uphill, riding downhill and sometimes on the flats.
    ... unless we ride weeery far or it is weeeery hot. Dogpowered bike.

    I think there is touring, and then there is Touring. In the old days they went far on bikes wit only one speed, the lucky ones had three. If you go your own distance in your own speed you can do a lot of touring without a BF.

    My friends husband left UK with his new bike approx 80 yrs ago on a boat, changed to a smaller one and went up the Kongo river. Then left the river and went from there to the nort of Zambia (Nortern Rhodesia) alone trough the bush on his bike.I doubt it was a BF.

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    [QUOTE
    My friends husband left UK with his new bike approx 80 yrs ago on a boat, changed to a smaller one and went up the Kongo river. Then left the river and went from there to the nort of Zambia (Nortern Rhodesia) alone trough the bush on his bike.I doubt it was a BF.[/QUOTE]

    lol.........You got it right, there was no BF 80 yrs ago!!!

    However, if there had been a BF or even such a thing as a Mtn bike, maybe more folks would have made that trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldable Two View Post
    [QUOTElol.........You got it right, there was no BF 80 yrs ago!!!

    However, if there had been a BF or even such a thing as a Mtn bike, maybe more folks would have made that trip.
    For sure. My self I realy want one. "When I grow up" I want a high end BF. Problem is I do not need one, I need better health to put one in full use. I am working on that.

    I like a lot to read about peopel traveling far on a bike 50 to 100 yrs ago, often "just for fun" or to visit family. Riding with balls for bearrings in the pockets (had to replace them often) and scaring horses that was not used to bikes.
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    Rosie my Yorkie runs up the hills on roads where it is safe with a wide shoulder and even pulls if she sees an animal ahead, the 7 lb subtraction really gives me a boost

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcanulty View Post
    Rosie my Yorkie runs up the hills on roads where it is safe with a wide shoulder and even pulls if she sees an animal ahead, the 7 lb subtraction really gives me a boost
    I can imagine

    You and EvilV both has got Yorkies

    Actually, at 7 lb`s my cat is heavyer!

    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...s/P5060681.jpg
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    In this place you can see what really dogs look like

    http://www.molosserdogs.com/modules...._content&eid=2

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