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    Is the Moulton actually being marketed in the US?

    I was thinking of a 20" non-folder to go with my Swift, or maybe a take apart like some of the Moulton models are, I believe. It's tremendously expensive though, isn't it? I heard something about a rider weight limit too. The places in the US listed as Moulton dealers seem pretty coy about offering any info on their websites, particularly the one in Phoenix, Arizona. I was also considering the La Suprema (http://edsbikes.us/) custom made bikes here in Tucson. The man said he'd be interested in custom building a 20" non-folder. I think he said the frame would cost a little over $1,000.
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    Bruce Metras has them for sale last I heard.
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    From http://www.alexmoulton.co.uk/index.html

    Dealer Name: Angle Lake Cyclery
    Dealer Address: Seatle
    WA
    Contact Name: Dale Clark
    Telephone: 001 206-878 7457
    Fax: 001 206-824 3038

    Dealer Name: Belmont Distribution
    Dealer Address: Phoenix
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    Contact Name: Loring Kohrt
    Telephone: 001 602 903 7852
    Email: loring@belmontdistribution.com
    Website: www.belmontdistribution.com

    Dealer Name: Bfold Bicycles
    Dealer Address: 224 E 13th ST #1
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    Contact Name: David Lam
    Telephone: 212-529-7247 or 646-644-4501
    Email: info@bfold.com
    Website: http://www.bfold.com/

    Dealer Name: Doug Milliken
    Dealer Address: Buffalo
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    Contact Name: Doug Milliken
    Telephone: 001 716-632 6710
    Fax: 001 716-633 9283
    Email: Doug.Milliken@gmail.com
    Comment: Moultoneer and good friend of Dr Moulton. Responsible for speed record fairing and wind tunnel testing.

    Dealer Name: Hed Cycling Products
    Dealer Address: White Bear
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    Contact Name: Steve & Anne Hed
    Telephone: 001 651 653 0202
    Fax: 001 651 653 0275
    Email: hed@iswest.com
    Website: http://www.hedcycling.com/

    Dealer Name: North Road Bicycle Company
    Dealer Address: PO Box 840
    166 Court Square
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    Contact Name: Gilbert Anderson
    Telephone: +336-421-4054
    Email: cyclestore@aol.com
    Website: http://www.northroadbicycle.com/
    Comment: Toll Free Triangle, NC area 919-828-8999
    Toll free Nationwide 800-321-5511

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    Yeah, I found all that too - but there's zero info on any of those individual websites about Moulton models, specs, prices, etc. For that matter I didn't see much useful info on the Moulton website either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Bruce Metras has them for sale last I heard.

    Yes, he does. He PM'd me.

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    Did you look at this website for specs? It doesn't have prices, but it does a good job with specs.

    http://www.tsr.uk.com/index.php

    Bruce Metras will also take care of you.

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    For a few years back in the mid-1980s Alex Moulton bikes were actually marketed in the USA, but since then not really. As you've found, today's handful of individual dealers don't even go out of their way to promote the bikes. If you know you want one and snoop around you can figure out how to get one, but actual marketing, no.

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    Dale Clark at Angle Lake Cyclery is a Moulton owner and huge fan. I visited his store recently and saw several in for repair. I don't know anything about Moulton's but if I wanted to know more I'd beat a path to Dale.

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    I bought my Moulton ATB from Angle Lake Cyclery in 1989 via phone order and was pleased with how they handled things.

    Gilbert Andersen of North Road Bicycles in North Carolina is also a great guy to deal with about Moultons. He has a good stock of bikes and rides them on tour in Europe often. Give him a call at 1-800-321-5511. [That is the Eastern US time zone.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by werewolf View Post
    Yeah, I found all that too - but there's zero info on any of those individual websites about Moulton models, specs, prices, etc. For that matter I didn't see much useful info on the Moulton website either.
    Not everybody does the web thing. Try a phone call occasionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWaB View Post
    Not everybody does the web thing. Try a phone call occasionally.
    +1

    Cycling culture tends to be behind the times. Historic appeal I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWaB View Post
    Try a phone call occasionally.
    A customer initiating a contact and inquiry is so not marketing a product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arctos View Post
    I bought my Moulton ATB from Angle Lake Cyclery in 1989 via phone order and was pleased with how they handled things.

    Gilbert Andersen of North Road Bicycles in North Carolina is also a great guy to deal with about Moultons. He has a good stock of bikes and rides them on tour in Europe often. Give him a call at 1-800-321-5511. [That is the Eastern US time zone.]

    How is the ride quality of the Moulton, say compared to the Bike Friday or Swift? Are you able to make a comparison? Bruce? Are Moulton parts breaking and getting replacements a problem? 17" tires and tubes won't be easy to find in a pinch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by werewolf View Post
    How is the ride quality of the Moulton, say compared to the Bike Friday or Swift? Are you able to make a comparison? Bruce? Are Moulton parts breaking and getting replacements a problem? 17" tires and tubes won't be easy to find in a pinch.
    Not that I've ridden a Moulton, but Bike Fridays and Swifts are often criticized for being harsh rides whereas Moultons are praised as some of the most comfortable, plushest riding bicycles in existence.

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    The ride quality and comfort astonishes new Moulton riders. When I loan my 1965 F Frame Moulton to visitors they often ask to take it home or how to find one. A recent bike store mechanic initially laughed at the 1965 Moulton until he rode it. He said that it felt like his road bike without the bumps in the road. This 44 year old bike is in the stone age compared to the suspension of newer ones.

    My 1 speed coaster brake 1965 Moulton Stowaway cruises along on the flats easily at 15mph and with a faster cadence over 20mph. It has a 45 inch wheel base on 16 inch(349)x1 3/8ths (37mm) Primo Comet tires at pressures of 90 to100#. The suspension takes the harshness out of the high pressure tires.

    My early 70's Moulton Mark III improved the suspension, ride and build quality as did my 1989 ATB and 1995 APB. Yes, people point, laugh and joke about the Moulton as a different/ funny bike. But I think that I have the last laugh every time as I ride away in comfort that they only can wish for in their dreams.

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    The ride is a revelation. Mine was extraordinary. It was also quite fast with the TSR's quite aggressive ride position with drop bars. The top gear was about 105" as I recall and even though no kind of athlete, I made frequent use of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by werewolf View Post
    17" tires and tubes won't be easy to find in a pinch.
    The TSR and NS bikes use 20" (ISO406) size tires. The Bridgestones and AMs do use the 17" (ISO369) size which is available online and, because tires that size are carried by Quality Bicycle Products, through any bike shop in the USA.

    If you want a Moulton that you can find tires for "in a pinch", definitely get a TSR 9 or TSR27, since you can get tires to fit those models at any 24/7 Walmart Superstore or even in a small town hardware store - far better availability than 700C, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by werewolf View Post
    How is the ride quality of the Moulton, say compared to the Bike Friday or Swift? Are you able to make a comparison? Bruce? Are Moulton parts breaking and getting replacements a problem? 17" tires and tubes won't be easy to find in a pinch.
    I have a Moulton TSR30 (that I bought from EvilV) and a 1970 MK3 (completely rebuilt with parts from various sources). I second the comments that have been made about the comfort of the ride. My first ride on the TSR was quite eye-opening. It was like riding a Cadillac suspension, gliding over bumps in the road. The TSR also has a long wheelbase, providing smooth control. I can ride hands free very easily on it. The space frame also provides a rigidity that's incredible.

    I think the TSR would make a GREAT touring bike. It does weigh about 25lbs, so it's not so much a racing or climbing machine.

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    Lovely!

    I like to keep up with her travels.

    One of the very nicest features of that TSR 30 is the way the pivot of the rear suspension works.

    Firstly, the pivot is a hard steel rod in phosphor bronze bushes AND it is lubricated with light grease through a grease nipple. I mixed oil and grease when I did it so it is nice and 'slurpicious'.

    Secondly, the pivot point is in front of the bottom bracket, so that none of your pedal effort goes into winding up the rear suspension and compressing the rubber ball. Those kinds of details add a touch of class, but the main thing is that it really works nicely and is achieved without the kind of weight penalties that my telescopic suspension fork type bikes incur. Moulton is a master of this stuff. This generation of bikes achieve outstanding road holding and comfort with small wheels and hard tyres, so there is no compromise between speed and comfort.

    JUST LOOK AT THIS DETAILED DESIGN WORK HERE:




    http://www.tsr.uk.com/gallery/index....0&gallery-id=1


    There is an old thread here about my early days with that bike:

    Pashley- Moulton TSR30 350 mile report
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    What's the front dropout dimension?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    A customer initiating a contact and inquiry is so not marketing a product.

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    So what! Either the OP will buy a bike that he has already found out the existence of or not. No skin off my nose or his.

    Do you think the OP should have marketing foist a bike upon him that he doesn't actually want? It looks like word of mouth has done a lot of marketing already...

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    Evil - But the Moulton, some of their models anyway, looks so complex. Do all those joints require a lot of maintenance? Do they tend to wear out and break - and then with few people in the US knowing how to fix them and parts difficult or impossible to find?

    I always thought that the enduring beauty of the bicycle is its inherent simplicity - yet the Moulton has its mystique.

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    Sesame - I like that TSR30! I'll trade you my Swift for it!

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    Some impressive reviews here. But are all the Moulton models equally great? Some look as complex as an erector set and some look relatively simple, and some come apart.

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