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Old 02-16-09, 09:34 AM   #26
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KitN - thanks for the picture of your Citizen Tokyo.

vmaniqui, KitN, and joe2fly - I'd love to see some closeups of your Tokyos. Looking at the pictures on Citizen's web site, it seems like models later than the one I saw have latches more like Dahon's. I told you that I have some regrets about not buying the one I saw, and now I'm reconsidering.
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Old 02-16-09, 09:57 AM   #27
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Hi Joe2fly,

Bike fit is incredibly personal because we are all different shapes and sizes. All Citizen bikes (Gotham, Miami & Tokyo) are supposed to be ridden in an upright position but that all depends on how high you put the seat and the handlebars. If you have your handlebars lower than your seat then you will be pushed forward more over the front wheel. If you have your handlebars higher than your seat then you will be seated further back over the middle of the bike more of your weight will be put on the seat. So I suggest you play around with your handlebar height to find a position that works the best for you.

20" wheels means a bigger frame so that might work better for you but you should definitely play around with seat and handlebar height. But if you decide to trade in the 16" wheeled Citizen for a 20" wheeled Citizen, then I would highly suggest you get the Gotham version, not the Miami. The Gotham has better Shimano gears/derailleur, an alloy frame and is a good deal lighter.

Personally, I have no problem with the cockpit. I have long legs (5'7" with 33" inseam which is the inseam of a 6'3" male) and a medium length torso with long arms. I have my seat literally at the hash mark (I could go higher another 1" or so higher but that's dangerous because the seatpost is at it's height limit) and with my handlebar stem at the hash mark as well. I don't like feeling stretched out too far over the bike but I also don't like feeling cramped either. I fall somewhere in the middle so the Citizen Tokyo works well for me.

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Old 02-16-09, 10:07 AM   #28
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KitN - thanks for the picture of your Citizen Tokyo.

vmaniqui, KitN, and joe2fly - I'd love to see some closeups of your Tokyos. Looking at the pictures on Citizen's web site, it seems like models later than the one I saw have latches more like Dahon's. I told you that I have some regrets about not buying the one I saw, and now I'm reconsidering.
Hi JCFlack,

I'll try to take some closeup shots of the latches for you later and post them.

@ Joe2fly: I'd love to see some pictures of your Mango (orange) Tokyo. (I was seriously considering getting the Mango colored one but I opted at the last minute for the Silver Tokyo.)
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Fortunately, I doubt I'll have any trouble fitting on a smaller bike - I'm 5'6" (or shorter, I've heard we shrink with age ) with a 28" inseam. Thanks for offering the pictures, KitN.
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hi all,

i will also try to take a picture of my mango yellow citizen. the condition when i bought it used is pristine and for the price that i paid ($100 - i could have hangled more) i can't complain. i rode it just a little bit as it is still raining hard in san francisco bay area. the ride is smooth and it isn't bad at all. and no problem with me on the cockpit. it feels good. best bang for my buck as they say. my only complain is the slippage to the sixth gear. i tried fixing it but will not go up to the sixth gear. i hope to work on it later as the weather is not cooperating yet. but other than that i am pretty much happy with this purchase. hopefully joe2fly, your girlfriend will have second thought and try to ride it some more. cockpit might work for her eventually.

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Glad to see some more discussion about the Citizens folders. After reading some old comments, the Citizens is a folder that some on this forum wouldn't be caught dead riding, its beneath their manhood. Its just too low cost of a folding bike, with low cost unspeakable components. To each it's own and thats ok.

My wife and I rode our Miami Citizens 20" folders 10 miles thru a state park this weekend and enjoyed it very much. Folded both right into the back of our 4-Runner with lots of room to spare. We just took our time and enjoyed the sights, wild animals and all. No problems with riding our bikes whatsoever. Had several people to ask about our folders and commented how pretty they are. The colors are outstanding.

As a "edit note", my wife and I both own wonderful 26" Trek & Gary Fisher regular size bikes. The total cost of both our folders shipped to our front door was less than my wife's Trek. But as our riding skills, stamina, and leg strength increase (new riders last Oct.), more and more we find ourselves choosing our folding bikes to take with us on riding adventures. The packing is just so darn easier and our Citizens folders work really well for our slow riding needs.

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Old 02-16-09, 01:37 PM   #32
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It's not as bad here. You should go to other bicycle forums and you'll see some really "colorful" posts on anything that isn't high end. Even personal attacks with name calling. We've got pretty decent folks here.

Shoot, I ride a folder that is even cheaper, and lesser known than the Citizenbikes. I would be considered a complete "loser" if that were the attitude.

I'm glad to see Citizen bikes getting some more exposure. Variety is the salt of the Earth.

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Glad to see some more discussion about the Citizens folders. After reading some old comments, the Citizens is a folder that some on this forum wouldn't be caught dead riding, its beneath their manhood. Its just too low cost of a folding bike, with low cost unspeakable components. To each it's own and thats ok.
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Old 02-17-09, 07:43 AM   #33
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I will also try to take a picture of my mango yellow citizen. the condition when i bought it used is pristine and for the price that i paid ($100 - i could have hangled more) i can't complain.
Thanks, vic. If I do buy a Tokyo, I like the mango, and I also like KitN's silver, but I'm leaning toward the black. Too bad it doesn't come in red - my favorite color.
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Hey, Tokyo owners!
I would appreciate some measurements.
What's the wheel base (distance from front axle to rear axle)?
What's the seat post size? (should be engraved on the side of the seat post somewhere; a number like 30.4 or 31.8 maybe?
How long is the seat post, from the "minimum insertion" line to the top of the seat?
How big is the whole bike, when folded up?
Thanks!
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Old 02-18-09, 06:30 PM   #35
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Hi rhm,

I posted some pictures of my Tokyo folded (and also in it's carrying bag) here:Folder recommendatio
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I don't know how I missed seeing those photos and measurements in the earlier thread. Thanks.
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I posted some pictures of my Tokyo folded (and also in it's carrying bag) here:Folder recommendatio
Yes, I saw those (thanks!). I am pretty sure the bike folds up small enough for public transportation purposes. I'm wondering how well it fits, or can be made to fit, a relatively tall rider. You said you are tall... how tall?
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Here are some pics of the my mango Tokyo, and the Miami I exchanged it for.

They are pretty much identical.

http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ent=Tokyo1.jpg
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ent=Tokyo2.jpg
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ent=Tokyo3.jpg
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ent=Tokyo4.jpg
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...rent=Miami.jpg
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Old 02-19-09, 05:12 PM   #39
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Nice photos, Joe2fly! Does the Miami feel as "cramped" as you said the Tokyo felt to you?
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Thanks for the photos - they HAVE switched to a handlebar latch more like Dahon's - much better than the used one I looked at. I definitely like black or silver better than the Mango though. I'm edging toward going ahead with it.
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I definitely like black or silver better than the Mango though.
LOL! You sound like me. I was considering the Mango because it stood out and if someone stole my bike it would be easier to spot (someone had stolen my previous folder!!!). Then I narrowed it down to black, white or silver. I thought that the black was a little too common a color and the white would show dirt more readily. My stolen folder was silver and I loved that little bike so I opted for the silver. The silver color is classy, hip and doesn't clash with my clothes or shoe color(s). LOL! (Yes, I'm a girl and, yes, stuff like this does matter to me, LOL!)

I love my new Citizen Tokyo. I get a lot of compliments and inquires about it. Heck, just today I went to my local police station to ask about engraving and registering my bike (in case of theft) and 6 cops were raving about it and asking me all sorts of questions. LOL!

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hi kitn,
is the bag really handy to have ? it looks nice folded inside the bag. it just stopped raining here in the bay area and i still haven't had the chance to take my mango yellow tokyo for a spin and haven't had the time to take a pic. weather permitting, i will go for a ride tomorrow. i need to test by gears and see if i can fix it to go to 6th gear. right now it is sitting folded in my garage. i picked the yelllow one since i bought it used so i have no choice - but i like the color..... if i have bought it new i would have picked a white one to go with my truck.

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About the chainguard in the 3rd pix, is it metal or plastic? Is it durable?
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joe2fly - is it metal ? i am surprised if it is as mine has the gray plastic chainguard. although i know that it can be replaced since it is held just by 5 screws. in any case maybe they changed the new ones to a metal guard.
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Citizens Miami 20"

I have the red Miami & my wife has an Aqua. Both colors are outstanding. Our bikes have been trouble free ever since they spent a little time in the LBS getting healed. We're taking our folders on a RV camping trip this weekend. Looking forward to "showing our colors".
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is the bag really handy to have ? it looks nice folded inside the bag.
I've used it twice to take my Tokyo with me on the subway. It does come in handy if you want to "conceal" that you have a bike (although the lettering on the bag gives it away a bit, LOL) or if you need to ride a crowded bus/train/ferry. People don't give you the "evil eye" like you're going to get dirt and tire marks all over their clothes and shoes.

For my usage, it's really not that necessary because I don't normally hop on public transportation with my folder but when I do, I do like having the bag.
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About the chainguard in the 3rd pix, is it metal or plastic? Is it durable?
The chainguard seems to be some sort of sturdy plastic. It looks very durable and it's very useful.

I ride my folder in "normal clothes" -- often very girly, along with high heels. I don't use an ankle strap or roll up my pants leg so the chainguard has saved me from getting my clothing stuck in the chain.

I think every bike should come with a simple chainguard like the Citizen bikes.
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I have the red Miami & my wife has an Aqua. Both colors are outstanding. Looking forward to "showing our colors".
I would love to see pictures of your bikes.
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Love all the enthusiasm for the citizen along with the FP.
looking forward to seeing them on the Westside greenway. I saw a few over the summer
and sometimes they show up on CL at $100 for the Gotham. (not bad)
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I would love to see pictures of your bikes.
I'll get a good photo over the weekend and post next week. Thanks.
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