Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Folding Bikes Discuss the unique features and issues of folding bikes. Also a great place to learn what folding bike will work best for your needs.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-27-09, 08:39 AM   #1
chrisgrrr
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: there
Bikes:
Posts: 8
A Crushing Defeat for some Stridas

This just out, www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNKKbjtC_7Y
chrisgrrr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 08:51 AM   #2
SesameCrunch
Eschew Obfuscation
 
SesameCrunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes: 2005 Fuji Professional, 2002 Lemond Zurich, Folders - Strida, Merc, Dahon, Downtube, Recumbent folder
Posts: 3,850
Cute. Only 9,999,9999,900 more clones to crush....

I can't help but think that Ming messed up their own chances to totally dominate the market for convenient personal transportation. The Strida was soooo ripe for that. But it was overpriced significantly, positioned as some high-end, niche object and sold through art dealers and museum shops (in the US). No wonder the clones came in.

Lost opportunity for Ming and for society as well...
__________________
SesameCrunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 09:20 AM   #3
Carlos71
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes: Strida 3
Posts: 110
Mark Sanders said that Ming sells like 20,000 units/year and the chinese copies like 50,000.
Carlos71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 09:46 AM   #4
EvilV
Bicycling Gnome
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 55.0N 1.59W
Bikes:
Posts: 1,877
And some of us here have them - and like them - and didn't get ripped off.

Mine cost 110. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


Now you know why I go by the name EvilV. That laugh was nasty - believe me.
EvilV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 10:34 AM   #5
chrisgrrr
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: there
Bikes:
Posts: 8
Some of the comments on that video, were that toxic fumes and smells were detected during the destruction, from the bad paint work and poorer quality parts. Quite a PR campaign. I'm neutral though, until they start crushing fake Bromptons.
chrisgrrr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 11:40 AM   #6
kamtsa
Senior Member
 
kamtsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 1,815
I wonder what is the legal justification for crashing these bikes?

Patent violation? Trademark infringement?

Kam
kamtsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 02:09 PM   #7
SesameCrunch
Eschew Obfuscation
 
SesameCrunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes: 2005 Fuji Professional, 2002 Lemond Zurich, Folders - Strida, Merc, Dahon, Downtube, Recumbent folder
Posts: 3,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisgrrr View Post
Some of the comments on that video, were that toxic fumes and smells were detected during the destruction, from the bad paint work and poorer quality parts. Quite a PR campaign. I'm neutral though, until they start crushing fake Bromptons.
Bad paint and poor quality causing toxic fumes? I guess the reporters were not exactly neutral and objective. The smell was probably from the rubber tires..
__________________
SesameCrunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 02:27 PM   #8
LittlePixel
Raleigh20 PugFixie, Merc
 
LittlePixel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: London UK
Bikes: 1982 Raleigh Twenty Hotrod Fixie; 1984 Peugeot Premier Fixie, 2007 Merc Lightweight folder
Posts: 1,981
A terrible waste - even if they're fakes. Hate to see new spangly things destroyed - even crap things perhaps have some use somewhere?
LittlePixel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 02:55 PM   #9
chainstrainer
lube addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central coast California
Bikes: Specialized FSR-XC, Optima Baron, Bianchi Pista, Strida 5.0
Posts: 515
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos71 View Post
Mark Sanders said that Ming sells like 20,000 units/year and the chinese copies like 50,000.
Well then a few dozen won't be missed from the vastness of the shoal. It was just a publicity stunt. Every once in a while Rolex will steamroll a pile of fake Rolexes but I don't hear cries over the waste.

I'm dismayed that Strida is not seriously marketed (in the U.S. at least) as a low-cost, efficient mode of transport but is instead sold as a boutique store bauble. That is so contrary to Mark Sanders stated intent to appeal to "blue ocean" users. Strida, the Bike, is a good example of Sanders' "human amplifier" analogy but Strida, the Plan, does nothing to promote that noble idea.

Last edited by chainstrainer; 03-27-09 at 03:03 PM.
chainstrainer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 02:59 PM   #10
Amuro Lee
Senior Member
 
Amuro Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Bikes: A-bike, Strida & ,etc.
Posts: 362
Here is the comment from Mark Sanders:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Sanders
I have mixed views ... I dont like to think of people hurting themselves on untested, poor quality fake Strida's. But it seems kind of sad to see any useable 'Strida's destroyed.
Amuro Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 03:14 PM   #11
TBAKEL
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 26
My experiance with a bike shop in my area that sells Strida's is that they dont know the machine. They just want the sale, they want you out of the shop as soon as possible, and then when I brought the bike back for the "Free Tune-up" they complained that I had stripped the bolt on the seat mount, which of course I never touched.

Now Areaware has been a great supplier and a great supporter of my needs. With in one day they respond to my emails and have supplied me with many upgrades for the bike. I think the normal run of the mill bike shop in America has no clue about folders or the people who ride them a good portion of the year. Areaware is more connected to the cyclist riding their product.

TBAKEL
TBAKEL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 03:41 PM   #12
Amuro Lee
Senior Member
 
Amuro Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Bikes: A-bike, Strida & ,etc.
Posts: 362
Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilV View Post
By the way - in colloquial English 'ming' means stink. A person of ill repute, a stinker, or more recently who is 'ugly', may be called a 'minger'. Pretty fair considering the terrible wanton waste shown in that film. That was ugly, and stinking behaviour when you consider they could have been given away to poor people somewhere.
http://www.minger.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming

http://www.google.com/dictionary?lan...&hl=en-EN&aq=f

However, it's strange that the Chinese name of Ming Cycle is not "明" but "永祺" (Yong Qi).
"永" means "forever" or "always" and "祺" has several meanings:
http://www.google.com/dictionary?lan...%BA&hl=en&aq=f
Amuro Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 04:23 PM   #13
EvilV
Bicycling Gnome
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 55.0N 1.59W
Bikes:
Posts: 1,877
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuro Lee View Post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming

http://www.google.com/dictionary?lan...&hl=en-EN&aq=f

However, it's strange that the Chinese name of Ming Cycle is not "明" but "永祺" (Yong Qi).
"永" means "forever" or "always" and "祺" has several meanings:
http://www.google.com/dictionary?lan...%BA&hl=en&aq=f
I was angry at the waste.

Of course the bicycle is made in a country far from England with a different language.

I was venting my negative emotion at such a crass publicity stunt.
EvilV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 07:07 PM   #14
kamtsa
Senior Member
 
kamtsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 1,815
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuro Lee View Post
Here is the comment from Mark Sanders: ...
Does Mark Sanders imply that they crash these bikes for our wellness and not for financial gains?

Kam
kamtsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 09:53 PM   #15
kamtsa
Senior Member
 
kamtsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 1,815
Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilV View Post
And some of us here have them - and like them - and didn't get ripped off.

Mine cost 110. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Kudos for saving a poor bike from total destruction.

Kam
kamtsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 10:23 PM   #16
geo8rge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 2,013
Kind of amazing that bicycle news made it on TV there. Even with the publicity stunt. I think it would have been better if the Ming Tiger Force Kung Fu squad assaulted the secret knockoff bicycle factory fortress. Chinese are no fun any more.

Many stridas on Alibaba:
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/fold...---------.html
__________________
2000 Montague CX, I do not recommend it, but still ride it.
Strida 3, I recommend it for rides < 10mi wo steep hills.
2006 Rowbike 720 Sport, I recommend it as an exercise bike.
1996 Birdy, Recommend.
Wieleder CARiBIKE (folding), decent frame.
geo8rge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-09, 10:46 PM   #17
chainstrainer
lube addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central coast California
Bikes: Specialized FSR-XC, Optima Baron, Bianchi Pista, Strida 5.0
Posts: 515
I'm sure there is no love lost between a Taiwanese company and their Chinese bloodsucking counterfeiters. That kind of animosity would play well on TV. It does almost anywhere.
chainstrainer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-09, 01:36 AM   #18
EvilV
Bicycling Gnome
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 55.0N 1.59W
Bikes:
Posts: 1,877
Of course it isn't 'bloodsucking to price three allu pipes, two wheels and a plastic seat at 500 plus. No of course not. How foolish of me. I should have realised that Ming have a strategy designed to increase cycling for the world's masses, save petro fuels for needed applications, and to promote health and fitness worldwide. They're such good people really.
EvilV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-09, 03:06 AM   #19
Solsticejk
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: SF
Bikes: Fuji Absolute 2.0- nothing fancy. Practical- I like it.
Posts: 31
I'll preface this by noting that I ride a real Strida 5.0, paid in full, almost every day. Do I believe in the illegal copy and potentially inferior manufacture of a similar product? Fundamentally no. However, I am a realist. Such products exist simply because there is a market for them. Ming is trying to make a point, but rather than tacitly acknowledging the existence of fakes, and then proving that they have a superior product, letting the market bare what it will, Ming has decided to go "Big Brother." In my opinion, this will only backfire on them, with them seeming like corporate, monopolizing bullies who drive others out of the market with brute force. For me, knowing the bike I am relying on daily is made to the original tried and tested design specs and tolerances, and supports the original intellectual property agreements, with universal part compatibility, is enough to deal with the price discrepancy between the Strida and its imitators. Knowing full well the existing options, I have made a choice. As far as the fakes are concerned, publically destroying finished copies, who’s production has put “x” amount of pollution into the world, and perform to a degree as they could be a commodity in the first place, don't deserve to be wasted for the sake of a PR stunt. In my opinion, it won't solve anything other than to galvanize the opposition.
Solsticejk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-09, 06:08 AM   #20
Amuro Lee
Senior Member
 
Amuro Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Bikes: A-bike, Strida & ,etc.
Posts: 362
As a native Chinese user, I think I have to say something. The subject of the youtube channel in English is quite misleading.

The video clip is a news report from TVBS channel in Taiwan.

The story is:-

There was a TV home shopping channel in Taiwan selling fake Stridas openly in their programme. Then, Ming complained to the authorities about this.

The fake Stridas were actually impounded and destoryed by Taiwan Customs, not by Ming Cycle, I think. (Although I'm a Chinese user, we speak Cantonese in Hong Kong and people in Taiwan speak Mandarin and Minnan. However, we can still understand each other in written language.)

Last edited by Amuro Lee; 03-29-09 at 04:51 AM.
Amuro Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-09, 07:21 AM   #21
Dahon.Steve
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: New Jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 6,806
What a huge waste! They could have given these bikes to homeless or some third world country that would never buy a Strida or even a fake. Incredible.

The price of the Strida has just gotton crazy. Three years ago, you could buy one for $295.00 which was reasonable and now the price has doubled. The next version of this bike will be over $1,000.00 making it just as expensive as the Brompton or Birdy and it's still only one speed. It's just over priced.
Dahon.Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-09, 12:37 PM   #22
Solsticejk
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: SF
Bikes: Fuji Absolute 2.0- nothing fancy. Practical- I like it.
Posts: 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuro Lee View Post
There was a TV home shopping channel in Taiwan selling fake Stridas openly on their programme. However, the shopping channel stopped the programme after Ming complained about it.

The fake Stridas were actually destoryed by Taiwan Customs, not by Ming Cycle, I think.
Well, if this is the case, it does put a different light on it.. still think it was wrong to destroy them, but it makes more sense if customs did it and not Ming cycle.
Solsticejk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-09, 01:16 PM   #23
EvilV
Bicycling Gnome
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 55.0N 1.59W
Bikes:
Posts: 1,877
I'm not a great devotee of the ' Great Carbon Panic', but it is a fact that the production of even a simple bicycle design like the Strida or the imitators, creates a large amount of emissions and use of resources. The deliberate destruction of newly manufactured and serviceable machines is an absolute disgrace, when they could have been donated allowing their use well outside Ming's market.

Last edited by EvilV; 03-28-09 at 01:20 PM.
EvilV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-09, 12:20 PM   #24
Amuro Lee
Senior Member
 
Amuro Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Bikes: A-bike, Strida & ,etc.
Posts: 362
I've just realised that the fake Stridas were impounded by Taiwan customs but destoryed by Ming at their factory.

http://strida.com/en/news/?method=detail&aid=69

http://translate.google.com/translat...sl=zh-CN&tl=en

http://translate.google.com/translat...sl=zh-CN&tl=en

http://translate.google.com/translat...sl=zh-CN&tl=en

http://translate.google.com/translat...sl=zh-CN&tl=en

Click on the image to read the pdf file

Last edited by Amuro Lee; 03-30-09 at 01:45 PM.
Amuro Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-09, 12:32 PM   #25
SesameCrunch
Eschew Obfuscation
 
SesameCrunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes: 2005 Fuji Professional, 2002 Lemond Zurich, Folders - Strida, Merc, Dahon, Downtube, Recumbent folder
Posts: 3,850
Ming Cycles would be much better served if they distributed and priced their Stridas more realistically instead of relying on these PR gimmicks. They must have a neanderthal who runs their marketing.
__________________
SesameCrunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:48 PM.