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Old 06-18-09, 10:30 PM   #1
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why the first question always how much does it cost?

why do onlookers always ask the price the bike first, instead of asking what kind of bike it is? when I try to explain it is a folding bike, but they just seemed only interested in the price?!

do others also notice this trend?
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Old 06-18-09, 10:33 PM   #2
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i don't know about a trend, but the answer to that question is often like an off switch to most people that i talk to
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I have noticed the trend but I don't know why that is.
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"money is not actual wealth, it is merely an entitlement claim to a given amount of natural resource, with or without added value..."
people ask the price in order to know the value of something. does this sound moronic to you? does it offer you any new insights?
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Some guy asked me that as I pulled up to the gym yesterday on my Dahon Jetstream XP.

"How much did that cost?"

About a K sez I.

"Wow that's cool, looks easy to ride".

Yep. (man grunts follow).

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I think it is an automatic response we all have....

You see something new and interesting .... your mind follows the track of “Wow, I do like that... I wonder if I could afford one..... how much is it”.

I am stopped all the time and asked about my Brompton. If it is a gang of teenagers on the train I don’t tell them the true value in case I’m mugged for the bike.... but most of the time I will tell interested people. None have said £1,100+ is too much and that my little bike can’t possibly be worth that sort of money.

Value is subjective, if you have an expensive item that is well made, reliable, durable, you use frequently and gives you a lot of satisfaction & pleasure, then it can be said to provide good value for money.
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Maybe they are just looking to start a conversation and that's their lead in, dont'see that it makes them moronic.
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i don't know about a trend, but the answer to that question is often like an off switch to most people that i talk to
That is funny. What these people don't realize is that my $350 Dahon D7 will last 100 times longer than a $75 walmart bike...
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Maybe they are just looking to start a conversation and that's their lead in, dont'see that it makes them moronic.
I do try explaining it is a folding bike, but they don't show any understanding of what I am talking about. I think I need to actually try and fold it for them, maybe then they will get it?!
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because they want to steal it from you
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I've only had a few people ask that question as their first, usually they comment on it, then ask how much. Once or twice, that was the first question.

People already know its a folding bike, when they ask that question.

I always wonder about how much something cost, if I want one... its as simple as that...

So take it as a compliment...
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Code words: They want to know what you are selling meth for.

I find the most common question about a bike is weight. Price makes more sense to me.
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how much can I buy that little piece of freedom for, and where can I get it?
I'd like something better than my POS dept. store mtb/cruiser
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how much can I buy that little piece of freedom for, and where can I get it?
I'd like something better than my POS dept. store mtb/cruiser
LOL!

Your first line reminds me of those MasterCard adverts (but with a twist) -

Price of folding bike $600
Price of a new saddle $80
Price of a little piece of freedom....the price of 1 & 2 combined, you idiot!

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I get asked about my bike almost daily. I started a new job, so I'll answer my coworkers about the price for sure, and I need to assess other people and verify that they aren't "casing" my bike.

The questions I get asked is:

* is it easy to fold
* how does it ride
* how heavy is it
and lastly
* how much is it.

Sometimes I say it costs as much as my car (I have a BF Season Ticket and 1995 Geo Prizm Lsi... both are just under $2k. That usually quiets people.

I usually show people the fold and unfold since it's fairly fast, and I like to show off.

But nobody believes me when I say it rides as well as my full size bike.... but it does.
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sorry, i didn't realize that this was posted in the folding bikes sectiion, but since i bought the wife a '74 20 i guess i belong anyway...

i work in a bike shop and a common question is about money,
...why so your bikes cost 2-3x's as much as the ones at x-mart (i really dislike negative talk against another store)?
...$800 for an entry level road bike?
...do you have motorized bikes?

today someone asked if we sold $100 bikes and turned their nose up at me when i said no (they won't spend more than $100 for a bike, but their young teen daughter had on plenty of ***** paint and kept texting the whole time they were there).

sorry again, lost my point, but money seems to be and issue with a lot of people. at my shop, we set some of our prices on perceived value. what does something seem to be worth.

parts and accessories have the greatest margin of markup, but if it happens that what we think is a fair markup seems as though it will be perceived as being too high, then we will adjust our margin on that item so as to be able to sell it.

perhaps, and sorry for being long winded, the next time someone asks, how much was it, we should ask, how much would you pay for it/what do you think it is worth?
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Q - Why do they ask the price?

A -

They see. They want. They wonder if it is possible for them to afford it.


That is the most pertinent question they need an answer to before they explore questions of what it is, how it works and the rest.

It is quite efficient in use of brain power when you think about it. What is the point in going into all kinds o detail if you can't afford to have one anyway?
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i work in a bike shop and a common question is about money,
...why so your bikes cost 2-3x's as much as the ones at x-mart (i really dislike negative talk against another store)?
...$800 for an entry level road bike?
...do you have motorized bikes?

today someone asked if we sold $100 bikes and turned their nose up at me when i said no (they won't spend more than $100 for a bike, but their young teen daughter had on plenty of ***** paint and kept texting the whole time they were there).
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If people think the bike's too expensive, it's time to start selling. Too many bike shops have people that don't know how to sell bicycles. People are going to buy bicycles they have see your enthusiam. You have to make them see the fun in the bicycle.

When you walk into an auto dealer, they want you to test ride the cars. Why? Most dealers know you can't afford to buy the car but quite often, people will sign the papers for a new vehicle after a test ride.

Next time, start taking bikes off the rack and ask them if they have a credit card to test ride the bike. If they have credit card, they can buy the bicycle.
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What is the point in going into all kinds o detail if you can't afford to have one anyway?
How could they not afford one? Anyone that can afford to wear shoes can afford a high quality folding bike. The shoe rubber you save over walking pays for it and if you're rich enough not to walk everywhere then you can afford it even more.

Hate to play the part of the self-righteous cyclist, but it's amazing how much money people are willing to spend for the privilege of being lazy and obese. When you look at all the costs, a folding bike is one of the most affortable items one could ever buy.

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If people think the bike's too expensive, it's time to start selling. Too many bike shops have people that don't know how to sell bicycles. People are going to buy bicycles they have see your enthusiam. You have to make them see the fun in the bicycle.

When you walk into an auto dealer, they want you to test ride the cars. Why? Most dealers know you can't afford to buy the car but quite often, people will sign the papers for a new vehicle after a test ride.

Next time, start taking bikes off the rack and ask them if they have a credit card to test ride the bike. If they have credit card, they can buy the bicycle.
+1 Sometimes I wonder what in the world bike shop owners and employees think they are doing with the way they operate their shops.
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How could they not afford one? Anyone that can afford to wear shoes can afford a high quality folding bike. The shoe rubber you save over walking pays for it and if you're rich enough not to walk everywhere then you can afford it even more.

Hate to play the part of the self-righteous cyclist, but it's amazing how much money people are willing to spend for the privilege of being lazy and obese. When you look at all the costs, a folding bike is one of the most affortable items one could ever buy.
that's one of the most *******ish comments i've ever heard on BF (which is saying something). really? anyone who can afford shoes can afford a nice-ass bike? what the hell are you smoking?

just because cycling is your hobby and it is something you enjoy so immensely that you're willing to throw down hundreds and hundreds of dollars on it....
doesn't mean its the same for everyone. some people aren't into cycling, they just want a bike as a toy. no need to buy anything but an x-mart bike if all you're doing is rolling around the block on weekends. some people just don't find it fun enough to justify spending much on itóand why should they? you're not into football, so if some friends invite you to a pick-up game, you're not going to rush out and buy $300 pads and a $50 ball. other people want a bike solely for the purpose of getting from point a to b. why should they throw down massive amounts of cash on a bike when an admittedly crappy x-mart bike will get them to the same place for hundreds less?

and of course there are people that really don't have the money. to suggest that owning a pair of shoes is tantamount to having the buying power to purchase a nice bicycle is just offensive. just because you've got a good job and can throw down on kit whenever you need to doesn't mean everyone has that kind of disposable income.
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Growing up I never had a new bike.... I gave up cycling once I bought my first motorbike.
I did have an old bike to use at work, but that was one I had built up from spare parts.

I have struggled financially in the past so I do know what it is like not to have the money to buy nice things........... but I’m now in my 40’s, earn a good wage and have more disposable income than ever before, so I’m happy to spend a reasonable amount on a bike. After buying a cheap Chinese folder (to test the concept of bike & train) I bought a Dahon MU SL (£700) and then upgraded to my Brompton (£1100). I would like another couple of bikes, an Airnimal Rhino and a moulton / pashley TSR or even the Moulton Esprit.

I gave up driving my gas guzzling 4x4 to work every day 18 months ago so I have been able save more than the cost of my Brompton in fuel, tunnel tolls and parking fees.
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why do onlookers always ask the price the bike first, instead of asking what kind of bike it is? when I try to explain it is a folding bike, but they just seemed only interested in the price?!

do others also notice this trend?
Most people at least around the middle income and the poorer areas, are conditioned to "bargain hunt" & be rather hung up on prices first. Where I come from, the generation that preceded me was more concerned whether any given product was well constructed, durable, and could be used for a long period of time.

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because they want to steal it from you
That is a possibility that always looms over anyone with a interesting bike or whatever that someone longs for. So now I tell people it is a "gift" and I absolutely have no idea how much it costs.

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That is funny. What these people don't realize is that my $350 Dahon D7 will last 100 times longer than a $75 walmart bike...
Usually people don't have any idea the differences between makes of bikes. All bikes look alike to them (like being color blinded I guess).

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sorry, i didn't realize that this was posted in the folding bikes sectiion, but since i bought the wife a '74 20 i guess i belong anyway...

i work in a bike shop and a common question is about money,
...why so your bikes cost 2-3x's as much as the ones at x-mart (i really dislike negative talk against another store)?
...$800 for an entry level road bike?
...do you have motorized bikes?

today someone asked if we sold $100 bikes and turned their nose up at me when i said no (they won't spend more than $100 for a bike, but their young teen daughter had on plenty of ***** paint and kept texting the whole time they were there).

sorry again, lost my point, but money seems to be and issue with a lot of people. at my shop, we set some of our prices on perceived value. what does something seem to be worth.

parts and accessories have the greatest margin of markup, but if it happens that what we think is a fair markup seems as though it will be perceived as being too high, then we will adjust our margin on that item so as to be able to sell it.

perhaps, and sorry for being long winded, the next time someone asks, how much was it, we should ask, how much would you pay for it/what do you think it is worth?
I doubt that your prices are too high. It is people's attitude and being stuck in a time warp is the problem. The parents are either bargain hunting or think that bike prices should stay somewhere in 1969 or so. Or they think their bimbo kid (takes after mom & dad don't you think?) will gravitate to a car soon, so what does it matter anyway?

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that's one of the most *******ish comments i've ever heard on BF (which is saying something). really? anyone who can afford shoes can afford a nice-ass bike? what the hell are you smoking?

just because cycling is your hobby and it is something you enjoy so immensely that you're willing to throw down hundreds and hundreds of dollars on it....
doesn't mean its the same for everyone. some people aren't into cycling, they just want a bike as a toy. no need to buy anything but an x-mart bike if all you're doing is rolling around the block on weekends. some people just don't find it fun enough to justify spending much on it—and why should they? you're not into football, so if some friends invite you to a pick-up game, you're not going to rush out and buy $300 pads and a $50 ball. other people want a bike solely for the purpose of getting from point a to b. why should they throw down massive amounts of cash on a bike when an admittedly crappy x-mart bike will get them to the same place for hundreds less?......
Or perhaps the people in question don't know better. The Dutch and others like them know bikes as bikes were always a part of their culture and living their lives. We in North America-no so much with exceptions here and there. I am learning that what occurs behind closed doors across the globe influences what the person in question will pluck down their hard earned (mostly) cash for anything. If the bike is considered a toy, then they go to X-mart and pay a hundred dollars. If the bike is a valued and even treasured machine, they will go to extremes to find the right one for them at a good bike shop. That is how it is for everything good in life.

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Growing up I never had a new bike.... I gave up cycling once I bought my first motorbike.
I did have an old bike to use at work, but that was one I had built up from spare parts.

I have struggled financially in the past so I do know what it is like not to have the money to buy nice things........... but I’m now in my 40’s, earn a good wage and have more disposable income than ever before, so I’m happy to spend a reasonable amount on a bike. After buying a cheap Chinese folder (to test the concept of bike & train) I bought a Dahon MU SL (£700) and then upgraded to my Brompton (£1100). I would like another couple of bikes, an Airnimal Rhino and a moulton / pashley TSR or even the Moulton Esprit.

I gave up driving my gas guzzling 4x4 to work every day 18 months ago so I have been able save more than the cost of my Brompton in fuel, tunnel tolls and parking fees.
Many people who learned the hard way about the true value of bikes or whatnot did it similarly as you did. The hardest lesson to learn is to move beyond what the crowd or herd does and buy products not just by price but what the product simply offers your whole lifestyle for many years of enjoyment!

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In the not too distant past I road raced on an expensive Italian hand made road bike, it was VERY NICE to ride and people rarely asked me it's price, but it's value to me was higher than what it was worth.

Nowadays I still have a nice American road bike, but my tandem and SWBs are the ones that get the public's attention, in particular my R20s.

1: People want to know what they are.
2: What do they ride like?, as in "Are they slow?"
3: Where did I get them?
4: Cost? But their eyes glaze over when I start my fanatical rants about different modds I'm doing and the related costs.

And my $15 1970's R20 with modds will outlast any Dahon

And before any offended Dahon owners scold me, just remember, R20s have lasted over 40 yrs and many are still going strong in original form. Sometimes what looks a wreck only needs a bit of oil and TLC and then it's right for another 40 yrs.....can that be said of modern bikes?

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And my $15 1970's R20 with modds will outlast any Dahon

And before any offended Dahon owners scold me, just remember, R20s have lasted over 40 yrs and many are still going strong in original form. Sometimes what looks a wreck only needs a bit of oil and TLC and then it's right for another 40 yrs.....can that be said of modern bikes?
No argument there! I had two Dahon MU SLís and both developed the same frame hinge problem within 6 months.... both went back to the dealer. Nice, fast & lightweight but I canít see them lasting, certainly not like an R20. Ok a lot of R20ís have been totally rebuilt but at least the frame is still original......
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I am only stirring when I say these things about Dahons, in fact I like the top end Dahons very much, so please don't be too touchy.....
I tend to spend my big $$$ on full size bikes, but SWBs do have a soft spot with me, I love the way they can ruffle the feathers of stuck-up roadies sometimes, I think we all suffer a bit from GraemeO'Breeitis, in our own way.

With modding a R20 they will never be as light as a Dahon, but yes, the frame is so strong.
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