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Old 11-06-09, 04:08 PM   #1
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Birdy copy="solid", any good? any one got one

saw this on ebay. I could buy a pre monochope version used for less than 600. But if its a dual drive spec one might be worth considering?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-New-Fold...e#ht_500wt_974
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Whoa... I wouldn't have thought a birdy clone would ever be on the market due to its complexity.

Personally, I would probably go for a used Birdy since it's a known quantity with a source for parts when things go wrong. If, however, the clone matches the birdy spec to where the parts are interchangeable then that argument flies out the window.

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Wow, never seen that before. 600 BGP is a lot for an unknown quantity.

The Birdy's suspension is a key apeal of the bike. Can't tell what kind of components they use to "clone" that. Also, we don't know if Birdy spare parts will fit on this clone.

You also have to wonder about infringement issues.
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Wow, never seen that before. 600 BGP is a lot for an unknown quantity.

The Birdy's suspension is a key apeal of the bike. Can't tell what kind of components they use to "clone" that. Also, we don't know if Birdy spare parts will fit on this clone.

You also have to wonder about infringement issues.
JurSan was looking into the Birdy copy awhile back .. I sent a vapourmail to a seller and never got a reply.. it was being talked up some at the same time as the Merc/Brompton clone wars were going on..
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the same time as the Merc/Brompton clone wars were going on..




........................................along time ago,
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JurSan was looking into the Birdy copy awhile back .. I sent a vapourmail to a seller and never got a reply.. it was being talked up some at the same time as the Merc/Brompton clone wars were going on..
That copy was of the modern frame though... looked like an exact clone in every tiny detail.

This bike, they messed up the geometry, the top tube is not horizontal.

Who knows, it might handle better?
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It reads, 16 or 20" wheels.
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I'd say no, don't touch it, he only has a score of 12, never seems to have sold a bike before, now he's offering 10 at a time.
No pics of real bikes, only pics lifted from a web site
all the pics are different bikes (the polished alu one looks nicest) & what is the small bag on the top tube BTW?
And yep the top tube is higher at front than a R & M Birdy
So would the 16" be a Frog copy?
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Even with superior workmanship, suspension can be problematic and maintenance intensive. Therefore, I wouldn't buy it.

...but this is coming from a guy that wouldn't buy a derailleur either. :shrug:
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just recently, these clones have entered our indonesian market.
with the "folker" brand.

this folker brand has also a dahon jetstream clone.
also the dahon smooth hound.

the birdy clone is priced at around 700 american dollahs..
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So would the 16" be a Frog copy?
A what?
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Actually the new Frog is closer to the Birdy than the original
And looks like it's got wheels in the region of 16"
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Actually the new Frog is closer to the Birdy than the original
And looks like it's got wheels in the region of 16"
Looks nice. A rear rack with roller blade wheels should allow it to carry stuff and roll while folded.

Hopefully they decide to use a more standard wheel size than ... what did the original Frog use? 14" wheels?

Another hopefully is for better customer support. The two local (DC) dealerships stopped carrying the line due to supply problems.
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Actually the new Frog is closer to the Birdy than the original
And looks like it's got wheels in the region of 16"
That wheelbase and also the top tube looks very short.
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is this 16"? comparable with a brompton then for folding size?
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I rode one of the original Frogs on a test ride from Avon Valley Cyclery, Bath, England. It was much smaller than my Birdy, but once it was unfolded it was not far from the same riding position, probably due to the telescopic seat & steering posts. I was impressed by the ride, but thought it a bit expensive, given the very small wheels (about 12-14")
The new Frog must indeed fold closer to Brompton size, & must give a ride closer to the bigger Birdy.
Having said that, I still think 16" wheels are too small.
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