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    D7 - Ergon grips pushed my brake levers too far away



    I can't reach my levers! These Ergons were designed for grip-shift, apparently. LBS says to take a razor knife to them. Cut up a $60 pair of grips??

    They also said I won't find longer levers.

    Any advice? Make my own??

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    Hacksaw. No problem. Take a cm or so first, then more as needed for feel. No sweat.

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    I cut the rig new right hand grips on our Bike Friday Pocket 8's with twist shifters.

    Fortunately, they are only the $7.99. ones from Performance.

    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes..._1033638_-1___

    I only had to trim the right one. Worked out well (= the wife is very happy with hers).

    FYI: The grip I am holding is the original, far too short and thin, right hand one. I sent an e-mail with pictures to Bike Friday detailing the situation and suggesting they correct install different, longer grips. Interestingly, my Pocket 8, purchased 2 months later, and just one serial number from the wife's, had a similar grip, but no where near as short. Replaced them anyway.

    Suggestion: Inserting a small length of 1/2" Schedule 40 PVC pipe into the grip gives a good surface to cut against with a razor blade or utility knife.
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    Hmmn. Maybe I could trim them in a lathe...

    The edge is so well finished, and the levers are cheap, I'd really rather replace the levers. I'm using this bike to commute, every day, in Toronto, so I have to wear gloves. Bigger levers would be easier to grab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike alanko View Post
    Bigger levers would be easier to grab.
    How about Road levers? Likely not the right amount of cable pull for V-brakes. Oh, well.

    I have gotten pretty proficient with a utility knife in trimming things like hand grips.

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    yes, that's a problem with grip shifters.

    what you could try, is mounting the shifter in another position. be it on an accessory mount or something.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Saw a solution to Road Brake Levers with V-brakes, today.

    Went up to Rincon Cycles in Carpenteria, CA - they sell Bike Friday & Giant Half-way folders as well as regular bikes.

    Owner has STI shifters and V-brakes on his NWT. Uses Travel Agents to amplify the cable pull.

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...vel+Agent.aspx

    Forgot about these little things.

    FYI: Shop owner is 6'9" and has a tikit as well as the NWT. Incredible seat post height on both!

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    You don't need travel agents anymore. You can just get road brake levers for v brakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Foldable Two View Post
    Saw a solution to Road Brake Levers with V-brakes, today.

    Went up to Rincon Cycles in Carpenteria, CA - they sell Bike Friday & Giant Half-way folders as well as regular bikes.

    Owner has STI shifters and V-brakes on his NWT. Uses Travel Agents to amplify the cable pull.

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...vel+Agent.aspx

    Forgot about these little things.

    FYI: Shop owner is 6'9" and has a tikit as well as the NWT. Incredible seat post height on both!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldable Two View Post
    Saw a solution to Road Brake Levers with V-brakes, today.

    Went up to Rincon Cycles in Carpenteria, CA - they sell Bike Friday & Giant Half-way folders as well as regular bikes.

    Owner has STI shifters and V-brakes on his NWT. Uses Travel Agents to amplify the cable pull.

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...vel+Agent.aspx

    Forgot about these little things.

    FYI: Shop owner is 6'9" and has a tikit as well as the NWT. Incredible seat post height on both!
    That's at least $100 for the STI/ergo levers and $32 for the travel agents. That's what I use on my bike, since I really don't like flat bars.
    my temporary solution was using an accessory bar to mount the shifter to. minoura space grip, fits the grip shifter perfectly.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joako View Post
    You don't need travel agents anymore. You can just get road brake levers for v brakes.
    That was mentioned by store owner - new levers by Shimano, I think. COST???

    If money is no object, there are likely several possible solutions.

    Will be interesting to hear which the solution is chosen one.

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    Guys, I want to keep the flat bar. I saw a pic of Dia Compe 8000Ti levers that looked promising, but can't find them except for shops in Japan (!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike alanko View Post

    I can't reach my levers! These Ergons were designed for grip-shift, apparently. LBS says to take a razor knife to them. Cut up a $60 pair of grips??

    They also said I won't find longer levers.

    Any advice? Make my own??
    One solution is to use trigger shifters. This allows to to place the brake levers closer to the grips.


    2009-12-21 08.38.04.jpg'

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    innnnnteresting.. but won't work.

    I have Grip Shift length Ergons. Since I have only one shifter, where would the other lever go? I'm using a rotary bell on that side...

    Long brake levers? Someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike alanko View Post

    Long brake levers? Someone?
    That is why I originally suggested Road Brake Levers - not road bars.

    The old Huffy 924 road bike I found in the weeds near here last week had the original drops replaced with city type handlebars, but with the original road bike brakes levers still in place. I immediately noticed how much longer they were when compared to the brake handles on our folders (4" vs. 2 7/8") and even on the wife's cruiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike alanko View Post
    innnnnteresting.. but won't work.

    I have Grip Shift length Ergons. Since I have only one shifter, where would the other lever go? I'm using a rotary bell on that side...

    Long brake levers? Someone?
    The bell can go to the end of the bar http://store.bikefriday.com/images/parts/104.jpg That's what I am using.

    As for long levers, try to include 'four finger' or '4 finger' in your search. (here is an example http://www.amazon.com/XLC-Alloy-Fing.../dp/B000NUIHV6 ) and let us know if you find anything interesting (I may also upgrade to longer levers).

    Another alternative is to use brake pads that require less tension (e.g. Koolstop).

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    Kam, thanks. I hadn't thought of Amazon. Those XLCs look OK. Maybe also the Tektros Dahon rebadges as whatever they call them as installed on the Ciao.

    Koolstops were one of my first additions and WOW, what a difference from the stock pads. So very nice to be able to modulate that 1000% more.

    That bell, though nice, will certainly be covered by my gloved hand when I need it, so unfortunately it's not a contender.

    I have moved the left lever over, removing the bell's clamp/stop piece and relying on the brake clamp to do the job - as expected the bell tends to get rung more often when I hit bumps, now, which isn't great, but oh well. I turned in the adjusters too and funny looking as it is, this helped somewhat.

    I don't like that it's no longer symmetrical, though, and I'm still unhappy with access to the rear brake (right hand w/ grip shifter).

    More effort in the new year.

    Thanks for the help so far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike alanko View Post
    ..Maybe also the Tektros Dahon rebadges as whatever they call them as installed on the Ciao.
    Yes, those levers with integrated bell are very cool and they free premium space on the handlebar.

    Good luck getting propriety spare parts from Dahon ;-)

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    I think they might be available from Tektro. The integrated bell thing doesn't really thrill me that much, but the length thing does.

    I wonder if a Paul Love Lever 2.5 would give me enough dimension...

    lovelever25d1thumb.png

    I DO like the Dia Compe 8000Ti though..

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    cut the right side to apropiate length, get rid of that bell on the left side and you are in business...........
    :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike alanko View Post
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    I think they might be available from Tektro.
    If you find a source for those levers please let me know. I tried to get them earlier this year but could not.

    Kam

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWP View Post
    Hacksaw. No problem. Take a cm or so first, then more as needed for feel. No sweat.
    I didn't want to cut my new $60 grips either!

    What you really need are the Ergon grips designed for twist shifters; unfortunately they are not readily available in the USA.
    Call Ergon Customer Service. See if they'll swap your right side long grip for a smaller grip, designed for grip shifters. They did this for me, no sweat :-). This will give you what you would have gotten with the Rolhoff model.

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    If you do this yourself, you can custom size to your liking and save time, effort, and postage

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    +1 on moving the bell
    (or swapping it for a typical CatEye thumb lever bell - if you put one of those "inside" of the brake lever, the thumb lever will reach over the brake lever clamp and into the space of the grip making it easy to flick)

    Your Ergon's do look like the twist-shift versions, both left & right seem quite short in the image.

    Can you post a better pic of your setup, particularly of the right hand side?

    The only other things I can comment is that those brake levers don't seem to have much flare at the ends.
    A more flared brake lever might give you more leverage and make your pull more secure/comfortable.

    How many fingers are you hoping to get on your levers?
    Serious question - I think most of the leverage is in your first two digits.

    cheers

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    What grips were on the bike? The Dahon BioLogic Ergo Airflow grips that came on my 2008 Speed P8, while not as nice as the Ergons, are pretty good. And I just bought an pair at a bike shop for ~$16 to put on my wife's Raleigh. The Dahons are the only ergo grips I could find that are packaged for a bike with a single twist-grip shifter. And the Dahon BioLogic Arx grips that are supposed to be available shortly may be a better match than the Ergons for older Dahons.

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    Here it is, from the manual. I have the short ones.
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