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    Airnimal Chameleon (weenie-ish) build options...

    Here's what has been on my mind, while my Airnimal Chameleon frame -- to the surprise of my little kids, and the consternation of my wife -- hangs in the living room on my bike stand.

    Build a weight weenie-ish folder...

    Option 1:

    Get a old and/or used crank, remove the outer ring and put on a bash guard; remove inner ring and install a chain catcher/guard; run something like a 39 in the middle ring. (But I would need to get this stuff, incl. the crankset as I'm not cannibalizing a new one.)

    Go with a Sram X7 twist shifter and a X7 rear derailleur, and a 9 speed mountain cassette. (All of which I have.) Advantages: no front derailleur; cutting down on cables and weight; simplified set up. Disadvantages: hills; and the hassle of getting the crank stuff. Biggest disadvantage: I prefer drop bars!

    5/10

    Option 2(a):

    I have a new Shimano 105 ten speed triple crank lying around. I could get 105 ten speed STI shifters, and a couple of 105 derailleurs, building a 105 equipped Chameleon. However, I have heard -- this is speculative therefore -- that the Chameleon's cable routing/geometry makes it tougher for STI shifters to do their thing with ease... (Hmmm. Is this accurate?)

    Advantages: attractive well specced set up; good for all kinds of riding. Disadvantages: more weight; above all, the potential problem of odd cable routing making shifting tricky and inefficient.

    Hmmm. 6/10

    This worry about the Chameleon and STI shifters brings me to Option 2(b), which I am leaning towards:

    Use my 105 ten speed triple crank, but get some new Dura Ace ten speed bar end shifters -- the latest version are the 7900 version, very cool with black parts -- on Ebay, and set it up as a bar end shifting bike. Bar ends are also fairly light, though I would have to get some simple hoods and brake levers. Maybe go with Ultegra derailleurs, making the build look like this:

    Cranks: 105 ten speed triple
    FD: Ultegra
    RD: Ultegra
    Shifters: Dura Ace bar end
    Brakes: Cane Creek SL
    Wheelset: Uriel
    Bottom Bracket: Dura Ace
    Seatpost: Thomson
    Stem: FSA
    Bars: FSA

    Advantages: a bit of weight saved; bit of money saved; simplicity and reliability of bar end shifters; looks? Disadvantages: no STI's. Possible disadvantage with packing handlebars with protruding bar end shifters?!?!? I like STI's, but realistically this is a travel folder, not a commuter bike. How often would I use it at home? Not THAT much, so perhaps no need for STI's...

    Speaking of STI shifters, what's out there? *Checks Ebay* Dang, ten speed STI shifters are pricey! I have older Ultegras sitting around, but they are 9 speed...

    7/10??

    Thoughts anyone?

    Cheers!
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    Quote "I have heard -- this is speculative therefore -- that the Chameleon's cable routing/geometry makes it tougher for STI shifters to do their thing with ease... (Hmmm. Is this accurate?)"

    Teflon inner cables ae a must on most folders in my experience. My 9 speed tiagas work fine on my mezzo,which has a difficult cable routing.
    Dual drive Mezzo (GOLD), Dual Drive Mezzo with bullbars (black), White Brompton thingy with Dahon Androes stem and bull bars. Birdie (old sytle) 7 speed. Downtube NS8.

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    Quote "I have heard -- this is speculative therefore -- that the Chameleon's cable routing/geometry makes it tougher for STI shifters to do their thing with ease... (Hmmm. Is this accurate?)"

    Teflon inner cables are a must on most folders in my experience. My 9 speed tiagas work fine on my mezzo,which has a very difficult cable routing.
    Dual drive Mezzo (GOLD), Dual Drive Mezzo with bullbars (black), White Brompton thingy with Dahon Androes stem and bull bars. Birdie (old sytle) 7 speed. Downtube NS8.

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    I'm running an STI shifter for the rear (Schlumpf up front) and haven't noticed any shifting issues.. the cables make some pretty aggressive bends at the BB when folding, if it ever does become a problem, I'd run Nokon cables.. they work great for cables that have to go through contortions ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceMetras View Post
    I'd run Nokon cables.. they work great for cables that have to go through contortions ..
    Bruce, Please tell me more.
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    Dual drive Mezzo (GOLD), Dual Drive Mezzo with bullbars (black), White Brompton thingy with Dahon Androes stem and bull bars. Birdie (old sytle) 7 speed. Downtube NS8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceMetras View Post
    I'm running an STI shifter for the rear (Schlumpf up front) and haven't noticed any shifting issues.. the cables make some pretty aggressive bends at the BB when folding, if it ever does become a problem, I'd run Nokon cables.. they work great for cables that have to go through contortions ..

    Don't you have any ugly bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Don't you have any ugly bikes?
    I'll go check and get back to you on that ...

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    Eschew Obfuscation SesameCrunch's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Don't you have any ugly bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Don't you have any ugly bikes?
    We always see Bruce's pretty bikes...... maybe it's the rider that's ugly?
    I'm lame,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Don't you have any ugly bikes?
    I'll say. That's a beauty.

    I like the (unpronounceable) German engineered crank.

    My Chameleon will be largely black, except for some silver bits of kit (crank, derailleurs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevegor View Post
    We always see Bruce's pretty bikes...... maybe it's the rider that's ugly?
    .... Probably have something there... might be nice for someone to create a new "Me and My Folder" thread showing the faces behind the prose .. since Jur has shared his mug from time to time, here I am with my beloved Mu Duo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceMetras View Post
    .... Probably have something there... might be nice for someone to create a new "Me and My Folder" thread showing the faces behind the prose .. since Jur has shared his mug from time to time, here I am with my beloved Mu Duo...
    Phew... there's balance in the universe after all.
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    Forget the rider and the bike.......I want the car, even though the electrics are powered by Mr Lucas, the Prince of Darkness


    I would post a pic of myself, but my agent always charges outrageous fees for any publicity shots
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    Great minds think alike!!!

    I like GREEN, though.

    Now, do you also have the folding trifecta???

    This picture shows two of our five folding bikes, our car with the folding top and the hitch and front wall of our Chalet, folding Aframe trailer!


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    Quote Originally Posted by stevegor View Post
    Forget the rider and the bike.......I want the car, even though the electrics are powered by Mr Lucas, the Prince of Darkness
    Pfffft! Bruce scoffs at them demons. He makes his living fixing Alfas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SesameCrunch View Post
    Pfffft! Bruce scoffs at them demons. He makes his living fixing Alfas...
    Ooops, my wrong.... I thought it was a Triumph, sorry Bruce!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SesameCrunch View Post
    Pfffft! Bruce scoffs at them demons. He makes his living fixing Alfas...
    This one is a '74 with 139,000 miles and still running strong on the original un-rebuilt engine! I bought it NEW in 1975.

    If Bruce is into fixing Alfa's, he might know of the mechanic who took care of my car for 1/2 its life - Dave Vegher - he's now in the Bay Area.

    FYI: That's the record as far as I know of for an original engine in an ALFA. JUst got back here to Vancouver and expect the car to start up on the first turn of the key tomorrow - as it normally does.

    Already got on my Pocket 8 and went to Fred Meyer to get a bottle of wine, much to my wife's chagrin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldable Two View Post
    This one is a '74 with 139,000 miles and still running strong on the original un-rebuilt engine! I bought it NEW in 1975.

    If Bruce is into fixing Alfa's, he might know of the mechanic who took care of my car for 1/2 its life - Dave Vegher - he's now in the Bay Area.

    FYI: That's the record as far as I know of for an original engine in an ALFA. JUst got back here to Vancouver and expect the car to start up on the first turn of the key tomorrow - as it normally does.
    Lou
    A nice '74 was/is easily one of the best models.. Mechanical F/I, no smog controls, no P/W, A/C or any other B/S .. but you're far from a mileage record.. the red '85 in the picture has over 225k on the clock on the original engine... one of my customers with a '71 Spider, who was a traveling salesman, had over 500k on the engine before I pulled the head.. I had been servicing it since '72, so I know the mileage was accurate.. even a little low as I had replaced broken speedo cables ..he finally retired it at just under 700k .. so Lou, you have many happy miles ahead!

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