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Old 05-21-10, 01:25 PM   #1
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TIKIT - gear possibility is endless or not ?

hi all,

i am still debating whether to upgrade my tikit2's gearings and from the advices and by checking sheldon's site here's the possibilities:

1) tikit has 11-28 cassette and with the 53T chainring gear ratio is 30.4-77.4.
2) if i to change it to 11-32 it will give me a gear ratio of 25.1-77.4 (not much difference from the stock 11-28).
3) changing the cassette to 11-34 (megarange) will give me a gear ratio of 26.6-77.4. again not much difference from the stock cassette.
4) if i to change the cassette to a capreo 9-26 this will give me a gear ratio of 32.8-94.6 (an improvement from the original cassette.
5) if i am to change it to an IGH (sturmey archer 8 speed) this will give me a gear ratio of 34.1-103.9. a big jump i may say. i may need a chain tensioner here too. IGH is clean and less maintenance compare to RD.
6) if i go SRAM 3x7 - the range will be from 22.3-105.5 using 7 speed 11-28 cassette.
6) SRAM 3x9 with a capreo 9 speed 9-26 will give you an even higher range from 24-128.9. this will be the ultimate upgrade with a wide range of gear ratio.

so in conclusion - IGH still is the best way to upgrade your tikit (gears/speed). might be too expensive but maybe all worth it. correct me here fellow members if my assumption is wrong.

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A bit off in the following:

5) You need to multiply it by 3.25 as that is the new Sturmey Archer 8w gear ratio. So you get a bit more of a high gear here. Also BF have modular dropout for the Tikit.

6) I think a capreo cassette will only work with a capreo hub.
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Old 05-21-10, 02:25 PM   #3
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6) I think a capreo cassette will only work with a capreo hub.
Believe you are right.
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Old 05-21-10, 04:30 PM   #4
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The question is what do you think about the existing gear ratio of your Tikit? What are you happy with and what is not satisfying you?
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The cheapest easiest fastest way forward for you is to install a 60T chainring. It may make enough difference to be OK - it mostly did it for my Birdy (before I got the Schlumpf for it).
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I think the OP would be happy if he focused on a hub that enables him to use the gear in intends to ride 80-90 percent of the time. The high and low range is fine but if he misses the gear he feels most comfortable with, he'll never be happy.
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That is of course perfectly possible with a bigger chainring too. A 11-32 or 11-34 cassette gives the same amount of gearing range as a typical 8sp hub. He can keep the 11-28 for now and when it wears out, get 11-32.
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5) You need to multiply it by 3.25 as that is the new Sturmey Archer 8w gear ratio. So you get a bit more of a high gear here. Also BF have modular dropout for the Tikit.
but i need to ship my bike to BF to have it customized with the new modular dropout which i heard is way too costly.

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6) I think a capreo cassette will only work with a capreo hub.
yes, you're right about this.

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The question is what do you think about the existing gear ratio of your Tikit? What are you happy with and what is not satisfying you?
quite frankly i am happy with the gearings. it's just that i wanted to have the available gears i can have in case i need it. and at the same time i love to work on my bikes. just like this evening i decided to change the handlepost since it has partial bendings about 2-3 inches away from the end. this bend part is getting in the way of my shifter and incredibell as i shifted them when i put my ergon grips.

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The cheapest easiest fastest way forward for you is to install a 60T chainring. It may make enough difference to be OK - it mostly did it for my Birdy (before I got the Schlumpf for it).
i am thinking about this also as i have read someone did this to his tikit. but i do have a shimano 105 53/39T crankset lying around so i wanted to put this on as an upgrade to my stock chainring.

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I think the OP would be happy if he focused on a hub that enables him to use the gear in intends to ride 80-90 percent of the time. The high and low range is fine but if he misses the gear he feels most comfortable with, he'll never be happy.
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you're right about this but as it is right now i don;t really know what gearings will give me satisfaction. this is the same reason why i am asking my fellow members if they ever did upgrade their tikit gearings.

thanks guys.

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My Birdy which has essentially the same size wheels as the tikit came with 11-32 cogs and 56T ring. That the tikit comes with 53t is frankly puzzling.
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quite frankly i am happy with the gearings. it's just that i wanted to have the available gears i can have in case i need it. and at the same time i love to work on my bikes.
Aha! It's clear to me now. It's not just a gearing decision.

You want to tinker. That's a secondary sympton of folderitis... And it sounds like you really want a internal hub. So, why not go for it. Build a separate wheel with an IGH. Swap back and forth as desired.
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Aha! It's clear to me now. It's not just a gearing decision.

You want to tinker. That's a secondary sympton of folderitis... And it sounds like you really want a internal hub. So, why not go for it. Build a separate wheel with an IGH. Swap back and forth as desired.
to the dot. You got it right. I will still get it and will pm you. Thanks sesamecrunch...
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I like tinkering with my bikes as well, but my Tikit is the least modified bike I own simply because it works so well out of the box. I'm getting close to having worn out the drivetrain after 3 years of riding so I'll probably be swapping in a new cassette, ring and chain plus so new tires by the end of the year. I'll probably leave the Tikit alone for another 3 years after that...
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I like tinkering with my bikes as well, but my Tikit is the least modified bike I own simply because it works so well out of the box. I'm getting close to having worn out the drivetrain after 3 years of riding so I'll probably be swapping in a new cassette, ring and chain plus so new tires by the end of the year. I'll probably leave the Tikit alone for another 3 years after that...
i had that feeling also. it's one of the bikes that i bought that is true to a real/standard bike. but it's the only bike i have at the moment that i can work on and everytime i see it i wanted to change or upgrade something. like what sesamec mentioned - it's this folderitis thing. i have a flat handlebar lying around and been holding off installing it on my tikit. well last night i got nothing to do after an early dinner so i grabbed my extra handlebar, chopped off about an inch on both sides (tikit has a shorter lenght handlebar than the standard one) and put it on my tikit. after that i had this feeling of satisfaction. on to my next upgrade....

so what cassette are you thinking of putting on your tikit ? is is your tikit2ride ?
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so what cassette are you thinking of putting on your tikit ? is is your tikit2ride ?
I'll dig through my spares bin and see what 8 speed cassette I have that will work with my existing derailleur. I don't need a lower gear or more gear range so it's not that important to me.
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