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nish2575 06-23-10 10:38 PM

backpack panniers, other luggage in general for swift
 
i've tried to read what i could find on the web for these topics, as well as surf for photos. gotten some good ideas. still reading up on some of the swift threads on bikeforums.net

backpack panniers:
arkel bug (25 L)
mec daypack pannier (18 L)
ortlieb vario (20 L)
detours teeco (21 L), teeco too grassy(26 L)
vaude cycle 25 L, 30 L, (35 L?)
nashbar action-pack 'n pannier (10 L)
panpack commuter
any ortlieb pannier + backpack converter
others?

mountable backpacks:
klickfix freepacks
tout terrain sherpa backpack - see next message

mountable bags:
brompton front block bags (if brompton front block can be modified to fit swift?)

other:
ortlieb office bag large (21 L)
ortlieb downtown (18 L)
racktime wall-it (19 L)
detours toto (18 L)
brompton rack bag (16 L)
detours uptown tour (24.5 L)
detours toocan juicy (26 L) , h2no (26 L)
arkel tail rider (11 L)
basil *

swift racks:
crossrack
klickfix seatpost extender adapter (on seatpost or riser)
nashbar front rack
tout terrain sherpa $ - see next message
not sure if bike friday rear rack or low rider will work, but here's how they would look:
http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/art...ding%2Farticle - bike friday non-folding rear rack won't work with fold because seat post is too big to fit between rack mounts when folded. didn't actually try though.
old man mountain sherpa (works also on a dahon, see here:
http://forum.dahon.com/lofiversion/index.php?t1695.html . interferes with fold)
klickfix stem/riser extended adapter - too small for standard stem
klickfix stem adapter
klickfix handlebar adapter
basil *
other rear racks - tubus, delta, ...?
tubus loc, racktime .. ?
racktime stand-it or add-it ?
others??

unindentified photos:
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...thherswift.jpg - rear
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...withswifts.jpg - rear
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...melmurstil.jpg - crossrack
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...uringsetup.jpg - rear
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...wiftatcamp.jpg
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...sswiftinuk.jpg - stem, seatpost klickfix
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...ingcamping.jpg
http://www.xootr.com/ploggerb3/image...xootrswift.jpg - front, rear

i'm looking to carry 25 pounds (food, all weather gear, laptop, textbook, change of clothes, transit schedules), sometimes bulky (18 liters + 20 liters), split between two bags. when the bike is folded, i would like to be able to carry one bag on back, one bag by hand, and bike in other hand. on a daily basis, i expect to attach 2 bags, bike to car, break everything down, drive to commuter lot, put everything together, then bike into office and store bike at desk folded, detach one of bags for pedestrian mode.

my approach will be:
freepack sport w/klickfix seatpost extender mounted on riser
crossrack with its pannier on seat post

the limitations are the 11 pound limit on freepack riser mount (up to 15 pounds if mount to handlebar or closer to stem). steering is more cumbersome with weight attached to riser, and more energy need to keep steering in direction. brompton headtube block way better steering.


FUTURE COMBINATIONS SUMMARY:
mount | bag | weight limit | volume | mount point | $

klickfix adapter | freepack line | 11 | 24 | headtube | $130 = 30 + 100 + ?
racktime stand-it | racktime wall-it | ? | 19 | dropout, brake bridge | $... = 60 + ...

klickfix adapter | mobil u18 | 11 | 18 | headtube | $180 = 30 + 150 + ?
tubus fly | panpack commuter | 40 | 33 | dropout, brake bridge | $260 = 80 + 180

klickfix adapter | freepack line | 11 | 24 | headtube | $130 = 30 + 100 + ?
tubus fly | panpack daypack | 40 | 16 | dropout, brake bridge | $... = 80 + ...

klickfix adapter | freepack line | 11 | 24 | headtube | $130 = 30 + 100 + ?
tubus fly | brompton rack bag | 40 | 16 | dropout, brake bridge | $220 = 80 + 140

klickfix adapter | freepack line | 11 | 24 | headtube | $130 = 30 + 100 + ?
tubus fly | tailrider | 40 | ? | dropout, brake bridge | $? = 80 + ?

klickfix adapter | ... | 11 | ... | headtube | $? = 30 + ... + ?
klickfix extender | ... | 11 | ... | seatpost | $? = 30 + ... + ?

brompton carrier block | ... | ? | ... | headtube | $? = ? + ... + ?
klickfix extender | ... | 11 | ... | seatpost | $? = 30 + ... + ?

tubus fly | arkel gt-18 bp | 20 | 18 | dropout, brake bridge | $250 = 80 + 170
tubus fly | arkel gt-18 | 20 | 18 | dropout, brake bridge | $150 = 150

klickfix adapter | ... | 11 | ... | headtube | $? = 30 + ... + ?
crossrack | ortlieb vario | ? | ... | seatpost | $? = 40 + ... + ?

brompton carrier block | ... | ? | ... | headtube | $? = ? + ... + ?
crossrack | ortlieb | ? | ... | seatpost | $? = 40 + ... + ?

bf low rider | ... | ? | ... | front fork? | $? = ? + ... + ?
bf low rider | ... | ? | ... | front fork? | $? = ? + ... + ?

*weight limits in lbs, volume in liters
*tubus fly still needs to be confirmed
*klickfix on headtube requires custom weld of dahon luggage bracket, if even possible
*brompton block on headtube requires custom weld, if even possible
*need to verify each pannier with rear rack system for heal clearance on 20" wheels

simplest waterproofing / covering mechanisms?

**after using the freepack on stem and pannier on crossrack. i don't like the ride, mostly from the stem mount moving with steering. the best would be, a backpack on headtube in front combined with something in rear on crossrack or regular rack. and ability to either carry 2 pieces along with bike, not too clumsily or combine 2 pieces into one when carried off bike**

relevant threads:
http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bikes/340940-swift-tour.html
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ighlight=swift
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ighlight=swift - omm mounted
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ighlight=swift - dahon front rack fits
... - rear

fietsbob 06-27-10 01:16 PM

http://www.tout-terrain.de/2/product...cksysteme.html

seatpost mounted rack is steel, so would be weight bearing

Peter White Imports and retails tout terrain products ... He may wholesale the bag and rack to your dealer .
their bike-frames are sold retail only now.. he would, of course, prefer to sell a built up bike,
and get that labor and parts margin too..

CarlRJ 07-31-10 01:01 PM

The Sherpa rack looks pretty impressive, hadn't seen that before. Steel, and mounts to the seatpost with two arms spaced somewhat apart, so it should support quite a load.

I note that they offer shims to adapt to seatposts anywhere from 27mm to 31.6mm, but I don't see anything saying what size it fits without the shims -- will it fit the Swift's 34mm seatpost?

You might also consider Carradice's SQR (Seatpost Quick Release) series of bags; I've got the 5 liter Glentress, obviously too small for your needs, but the Trax, Tour, and Slim are all 16 liters (they also have a mount to which you can attach your own bag), and the system is rated for 10kg (22 pounds) capacity; most of the other quick-release bags I considered were limited to much smaller loads. Might work well in combination with a smaller front bag or rack (say 5lbs front, 20lbs rear). The advantage is, when the bag is dismounted from the bike, the only bit remaining/protruding is a small (heavy-duty) plastic block on the seatpost. I posted more info on the Swift folders thread here.

nish2575 07-31-10 06:57 PM

thanks. yes tempting. my top pick for rear is crossrack with ortlieb downtown or office bag large. but if i can possibly compress some of my clothes or pack a little tighter, might be able to convert to smaller mounting hardware carradice trax/tour/slim.


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