A Little Sneak Peek At Folding Bicycle #4- My "New" Raleigh Twenty
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A Little Sneak Peek At Folding Bicycle #4- My "New" Raleigh Twenty
I decided to post a simple photo of my new folding bicycle just purchased today-a somewhat rusted but otherwise good condition Raleigh Twenty. It needs some work so I will keep this announcement rather low key for now until I finished with it's restoration.
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If I didn't know any better, I would say that it looks exactly like mine before I pulled it apart to attach new stuff onto it.
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I've two of these little beauties, both dated 1970 and in the same Coffee Brown color as yours. I'm almost finisshed with the restoration of one of them, still need to
find the shift cable for it. For some reason, the previous owner removed the complete shifting system from both bikes.
find the shift cable for it. For some reason, the previous owner removed the complete shifting system from both bikes.
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Nice
It is in a lot better shape than my first one was. Why a Twenty when you have the other bikes?
Aaron
It is in a lot better shape than my first one was. Why a Twenty when you have the other bikes?
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Do you really have to ask?!? One (or even 3) is never enough, even if you have some amazing rides in the fold already! I almost pulled the trigger on a 4th folder myself, but two of my 3 are still currently 'under construction.'
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I've two of these little beauties, both dated 1970 and in the same Coffee Brown color as yours. I'm almost finisshed with the restoration of one of them, still need to
find the shift cable for it. For some reason, the previous owner removed the complete shifting system from both bikes.
find the shift cable for it. For some reason, the previous owner removed the complete shifting system from both bikes.
I know this bike will not fold as compactly or as technologically advanced even as my now old Dahons are. But I am not interested in compactness or high tech in this case.
Many people have commented on these bikes becoming an addiction....hmmm, I wonder. But in any case, I am totally dependent on cycling as my number one way for transportation. Buses/trains/even taxis are now a very distant number two. The transit fares are going up next month, paired with service cuts, around here and that simply means I will use them far less along with the additional bonus of not putting up anymore with the problems that come with frequent use. So I will own at least 2 working folding bikes at all times it seems. And the money/time spent on this bike's restoration will be well spent.
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Nice find, I just found a Stowaway circa 1975 with the larger wheels and it is nice. Nice to have an old and new folder.
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I love my Twenty and have had no burning desire to add another folder to the fold...
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Many people have commented on these bikes becoming an addiction....hmmm, I wonder. But in any case, I am totally dependent on cycling as my number one way for transportation. Buses/trains/even taxis are now a very distant number two. The transit fares are going up next month, paired with service cuts, around here and that simply means I will use them far less along with the additional bonus of not putting up anymore with the problems that come with frequent use. So I will own at least 2 working folding bikes at all times it seems. And the money/time spent on this bike's restoration will be well spent.
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To put into 'Big City' terms, "You are really get'n into it girl!"
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Well, that is by far a much better reason for having multiple folders than mine! I have this strange affinity for little wheel bikes. Well anyway, you couldn't have picked a more solid or well documented folder to have. It should be a very reliable ride. Keep us updated on the build.
You are right. I might use this bracket for a bag's support of some sort which I will design for in the future. Right now I want to take the time to rid it of rust, grime, and other corrosion byproducts.
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some steel wool should take care of that rust.
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The man that sold me the bike told me the same thing. He did add to buy a fine or very fine grade and use WD-40 on the chrome or bare metal parts only. He warn me not to get any on the paint itself. I am heading out the door to get some today.
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A crumpled ball of aluminum foil with a little lemon juice or vinegar will be less likely to scratch the chrome, and does just as good a job on the rust.
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+1 on aluminium foil! Don't use steel wool! It will dull the chrome. Use WD-40 with alu foil and it does wonders. I was reluctant to believe this combo until I tried it.
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"Thank you for posting your photo of your unique and stunning version of a Twenty. It gives me great ideas on how to proceed with this endeavor, even before I set foot inside a bike shop. Perhaps this a "cure" for folding bike addiction-or at the very least wanderlust."
I initially built up my Twenty as a drop bar / fixed gear model after toying with the idea of running a 3 speed and it stayed that way with very few changes until I re-geared it this weekend.
The Phillip's was a little easier to retrofit with a nicer crank as the bb was 72 and a bit and a 73mm cartridge fit perfectly after I re-tapped the bb to standard... the Raleigh bb is 76mm and will need to be re-faced to do this.
Was given a very nice Suzue cartridge bearing hub and built a new wheel around that, re-spaced the rear to 125, and fitted the derailleur and bar and shifter.
Will be getting some frame work done to add canti / v brake mounts in the rear and am having a new custom fork built so I will have better brake options and eyelets for fenders and a touring rack... will also get a braze on mount for a front d so I can rock a 10 speed drive and some bottle cage mounts.
This little guy is gonna see some serious miles and would like to use him for weekend trips and short tours.
If there was an interest I would be willing to organize a group buy on some hand made forks and think I could swing a good price as I work with the builder and would make it a cost plus shipping deal.
Will be keeping the fork angles I have as I like the handling of my Twenty and with a proper headset will be even better as then I can ride it with no hands...
I initially built up my Twenty as a drop bar / fixed gear model after toying with the idea of running a 3 speed and it stayed that way with very few changes until I re-geared it this weekend.
The Phillip's was a little easier to retrofit with a nicer crank as the bb was 72 and a bit and a 73mm cartridge fit perfectly after I re-tapped the bb to standard... the Raleigh bb is 76mm and will need to be re-faced to do this.
Was given a very nice Suzue cartridge bearing hub and built a new wheel around that, re-spaced the rear to 125, and fitted the derailleur and bar and shifter.
Will be getting some frame work done to add canti / v brake mounts in the rear and am having a new custom fork built so I will have better brake options and eyelets for fenders and a touring rack... will also get a braze on mount for a front d so I can rock a 10 speed drive and some bottle cage mounts.
This little guy is gonna see some serious miles and would like to use him for weekend trips and short tours.
If there was an interest I would be willing to organize a group buy on some hand made forks and think I could swing a good price as I work with the builder and would make it a cost plus shipping deal.
Will be keeping the fork angles I have as I like the handling of my Twenty and with a proper headset will be even better as then I can ride it with no hands...
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Interesting thread. Pardon my uncouth, but what is the allure/desire for Raleigh folders? I have nothing against them, but I've noticed there's some sort of cachet that isn't visibly obvious to me about these bikes that I'd be happy to have explained to me. They look like a decent, workaday, basic folding design...not that there's anything wrong with that!
There is an example of a relative of your '20' nearby: https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1754933154.html but I'm drawn more to a similarly priced Bickerton also in the area.
I understand they're totally different platforms, and I guess I'm not looking to be convinced, but more in the way of a 'compare and contrast' essay.
Thank you,
There is an example of a relative of your '20' nearby: https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1754933154.html but I'm drawn more to a similarly priced Bickerton also in the area.
I understand they're totally different platforms, and I guess I'm not looking to be convinced, but more in the way of a 'compare and contrast' essay.
Thank you,
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Interesting thread. Pardon my uncouth, but what is the allure/desire for Raleigh folders? I have nothing against them, but I've noticed there's some sort of cachet that isn't visibly obvious to me about these bikes that I'd be happy to have explained to me. They look like a decent, workaday, basic folding design...not that there's anything wrong with that!
There is an example of a relative of your '20' nearby: https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1754933154.html but I'm drawn more to a similarly priced Bickerton also in the area.
I understand they're totally different platforms, and I guess I'm not looking to be convinced, but more in the way of a 'compare and contrast' essay.
Thank you,
There is an example of a relative of your '20' nearby: https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1754933154.html but I'm drawn more to a similarly priced Bickerton also in the area.
I understand they're totally different platforms, and I guess I'm not looking to be convinced, but more in the way of a 'compare and contrast' essay.
Thank you,
I have logged some decent mileage on stock Twenty bikes and logged even more on my drop bar version as it is lighter, faster, and for me... much more comfortable set up.
The stock Twenty suffered from really anemic braking in the 406 version but the 451 model braked better as it was fitted with Raleigh steel brakes and not the weak alloy brakes the export versions were fitted with.
They are a very solid and dependable bike and have a fold that is suited for smaller living quarters, the boot of a car, and in many cases were used on sailboats as on shore transport.
They are a favourite among people like myself who have the skills and tools to customize their rides and people have been doing this for just about as long as the Twenty has been around... by upgrading the wheels to alloy and installing better brake pads the bike gets much much better.
The Bickerton is considered to be one of the first true folding bikes, it is very lightweight, but is not noted for it's ride quality.
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You'd have to ride a Twenty to appreciate their virtues and in their stock form the ride compares very favorably with the full sized Raleigh Sports which is a very nice riding bicycle and to this day there are few folders that have a ride quality that can come close.
I have logged some decent mileage on stock Twenty bikes and logged even more on my drop bar version as it is lighter, faster, and for me... much more comfortable set up.
The stock Twenty suffered from really anemic braking in the 406 version but the 451 model braked better as it was fitted with Raleigh steel brakes and not the weak alloy brakes the export versions were fitted with.
They are a very solid and dependable bike and have a fold that is suited for smaller living quarters, the boot of a car, and in many cases were used on sailboats as on shore transport.
They are a favourite among people like myself who have the skills and tools to customize their rides and people have been doing this for just about as long as the Twenty has been around... by upgrading the wheels to alloy and installing better brake pads the bike gets much much better.
The Bickerton is considered to be one of the first true folding bikes, it is very lightweight, but is not noted for it's ride quality.
I have logged some decent mileage on stock Twenty bikes and logged even more on my drop bar version as it is lighter, faster, and for me... much more comfortable set up.
The stock Twenty suffered from really anemic braking in the 406 version but the 451 model braked better as it was fitted with Raleigh steel brakes and not the weak alloy brakes the export versions were fitted with.
They are a very solid and dependable bike and have a fold that is suited for smaller living quarters, the boot of a car, and in many cases were used on sailboats as on shore transport.
They are a favourite among people like myself who have the skills and tools to customize their rides and people have been doing this for just about as long as the Twenty has been around... by upgrading the wheels to alloy and installing better brake pads the bike gets much much better.
The Bickerton is considered to be one of the first true folding bikes, it is very lightweight, but is not noted for it's ride quality.
- Replace Steel Rims With Alloy Ones (Ready To Go With a special last year UK made Sturmey-Archer AW Hub & Rear Wheel)
- Good-Very Good Ride Quality-even at the plain stock as purchased level
- Poor Braking Set Up (But my Brompton has prepared me in how to deal with this issue i.e. excellent brake pads added)
- Not the smallest fold but acceptable for most situations
- Solid & Dependable (highly valued by me personally)
And this morning marked the first day of cleaning off the corrosion and grime of almost 40 years. (Before & Afterwards)
I cleaned up the top section (handlebars, latches, & shifter somewhat) and can see the little bird now!
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I am taking notes now:
- Replace Steel Rims With Alloy Ones (Ready To Go With a special last year UK made Sturmey-Archer AW Hub & Rear Wheel)
- Good-Very Good Ride Quality-even at the plain stock as purchased level
- Poor Braking Set Up (But my Brompton has prepared me in how to deal with this issue i.e. excellent brake pads added)
- Not the smallest fold but acceptable for most situations
- Solid & Dependable (highly valued by me personally)
My Twenty has a Rush Pro sidepull (bmx) up front which has really good power but when the new fork and brakes are installed I expect to have insane stopping power.
Here's another...
Built a drop bolt on my other Twenty so I could mount a shorter reach rear brake and was using V brake drop levers as I replaced the front fork with a suspension fork and v brake.
That put the S in STOP.
Using drop bolts means that you may not be able to use the stock fenders.
This required a lot of mods as I re-tapped the bb and had to cut down the headtube by a few mm and re-face it to fit a new headset and fork but the result was great... used a Nitto Technomic and lost some foldability but gained a lot of performance.
Took her through the valley and rode with guys on full sized bikes who were blown away at how fast this bike was (gearing was set rather high) and they could not follow me when I opted to take a detour on the trails...
Sold her to a friend who was looking for just this kind of bike...