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    Thinking again about a Brompton, but I'm 6'3 and 235 pou ds

    I've got rid of my car, and I'm doing a lot of business travel by bike and train now. My Downtubes are great for this in terms of riding, and for most train journeys, but I'm finding that under certain circumstances they are challenging. Specifically, trains where they need to be bagged and go on the luggage rack, and hotels are tricky. I've got bags, but folding and getting the bikes into the Dahon Carry On is tricky, and the folded size is large when you're hauling it along a corridor or storing it on a crowded train.

    So, I'm wondering again about a Brompton or a clone of. I'm concerned about the same things as I always was, chiefly the very limited gearing and the price. I could purchase the bike on the Cycle To Work scheme, I imagine, but it would still put a strain on the finances, so it would HAVE to be right. Every time I see one folded somewhere, however, I'm just so impressed with the size that I have to consider it again. I'm now under the weight limit, but only just, and when I'm travelling with good locks, a laptop, clothes for 4 days etc etc I wonder whether I'm going to be a problem for the bike. Finally, my height; can one set up a Brompton sensibly for a man my height? What appears to be the right sort of spec would set me back 1060 which on the Cycle To Work scheme equates to about 50 net a month, which I could cover. That would get me 6 speed, the telescopic seatpost, rack and easyroll wheels, mudguards, Kojaks, Brooks, a cover, and the T bag for the front.

    I guess what I really need is to ride a Brompton with the telescopic seatpost and see if it fits me.

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    I will let you know in late August... I am 6'-2" with long legs and weigh a solid 220#. We are going to be near a Brommie dealer then and I have scheduled a test ride at that time. From what I can tell us taller and larger riders basically have only one or two choices in the modern compact bikes, Brompton or Bike Friday. Being on this side of the pond I have the advantage of having access to both of them. I really wish Brompton would use an 8speed Alfine for stock setup.

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    Velorution - Rent a folder. 18 Great Titchfield Street. London ...

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    I think Mulleady is coming to the HPFBS meet July 4th. He's a Bromptonaut. In exchange for pies you might get a test-ride.
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    Once upon a time, he would have traded ride for ride on my Mini, which has now departed. I'm going to make a strenuous effort to make that meet anyway, if a lift is still available? Mully has a chainring with my name on it, and perhaps I can get that at the same time.

    I've done a bit more checking; my inside leg is 35", and the telescopic seatpost is for 35" and above. Also, the weight limit is 242lb and 44 lb luggage, which would do the job. I know the rack is no good for panniers, but I reckon my Ortlieb Office Bag 2 would mount, thought the QR adaptor might impede wheeling it folded, but I'm not sure I care.

    Ultimately, folded footprint is the big thing here, and the Brommie folds MUCH smaller and tidier than the Tikkit, enough so that I don't think the Tikkit makes the running.

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    I'm in London the night before alas, otherwise of course you might have a lift. Is 35" your inside leg measured with your cycling shoes on? I'm sure you're right
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    No, that was in fact measured with nothing on. It's hot. Regardless, if that puts me at the bottom of the range for the telescopic seatpost, it's unlikely that putting my shoes on will take me to the top of the range!

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    The S model has the longest reach(cockpit) which im sure you will need. You can get a Aber Halo stem riser thingy and either raise bar or extend it further forward or combination of both to get a good fit. it will raise or extend etc. aprox. 2inchs.Not sure where you get it in UK,got mine from Thor USA. Picture of mine attached. Click to enlarge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyboy View Post
    No, that was in fact measured with nothing on. It's hot. Regardless, if that puts me at the bottom of the range for the telescopic seatpost, it's unlikely that putting my shoes on will take me to the top of the range!
    Indeed. There are some grumbles from the lofty on the Br*mpt*n forums about the cockpit length being cramped, even with the longer seatpost, and even tho' it slopes backwards, hence my quest for your inside leg measurement. The nose of the saddle to the handlebar measurement might be interesting. If it's shorter than the length of your arm from the elbow to the knuckle, you could end up as a stunt double for Quasimodo.
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    Interesting; I'd more or less written off the S, due to the lack of rise, and the more limited luggage space (travelling for a week at a time, remember). I was going to go for a P. I can see that I'll need to ride all of them, and figure out what might work.

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    "I was going to go for a P. I can see that I'll need to ride all of them, and figure out what might work."

    Ya. If you go for a P, you might want to go for an S directly afterwards. I think the ideal folding bike for you is a car.
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    You could consider a Mezzo. Which are cheaper to buy in real terms as they are less in demand and more often reduced. However a Brommie holds its price so any purchase is likely to be only regretted to a miniumal extent. Buying a clone ,(merc), is possibly the worse option if you do not like the bike as it is less sellable used in my experience.
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    Handlebar height may be too low, As you are in the UK , Try to contact http://foldsoc.co.uk/

    There is a Brompton modifying ingenious guy there Steve Parry Ive only seen his projects online

    from the fold soc site I copied his phone number , perhaps he can modify a telescopic handle bar stem, to come up to meet your comfortable height .

    Fitting a Modolo Dumbo Bar on is another possibility, though It would be fiddly as It would not fold any better than the P bar as the height is part of the front fold.. It would hit the ground when folded.

    so You would need to re adjust the bar setup each time.

    I saw a picture of the tandem he made of 2 brompton main sections , that it folds up and will stand on end in the closet is brilliant. picture was taken at a prior years Brompton world championships race at the Churchill's old place..

    phone listed as 01934 516158 he has no other contacts , a mailing address would be handy , perhaps whyen you get in touch with him have him suggest a snail mail method to contact for the stateside.

    a rear assembly modified to fit my Rohloff CC EX into would be excellent , particularly if fatter Greenspeed scorcher TR Tire clearances are offered in the mix. and perhaps a front fork .. but I'm in Oregon..

    I can understand avoiding a website..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    There is a Brompton modifying ingenious guy there Steve Parry Ive only seen his projects online


    Brompton world championships race at the Churchill's old place..

    suggest a snail mail method to contact for the stateside.

    a rear assembly modified to fit my Rohloff CC EX into would be excellent , particularly if fatter Greenspeed scorcher TR Tire clearances are offered in the mix. and perhaps a front fork .. but I'm in Oregon..

    I can understand avoiding a website..
    I think he just prefer to work over the phone.
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    A Mezzo looks quite a lot cheaper, but the picture below suggests that I would lose half the folded size advantage. Surely with a P type, I can simply rotate the bars forward a smidge to get the same reach, and more height, than the T? Regardless, I will try to ride one of each, and perhaps a Mezzo too. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to pay Steve Parry to make a Brompton work for me; if I can't buy one off the shelf that will, or mod it myself, it can stay in the shop. They're expensive enough as it is.


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    sammyboy snafu noted you may be intrested in a brompton i have a unquie one I'm selling.

    p.s. im 6ft 2 and 85 kg and never had a problem on a brompton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsut View Post
    sammyboy snafu noted you may be intrested in a brompton i have a unquie one I'm selling.

    p.s. im 6ft 2 and 85 kg and never had a problem on a brompton.

    You got a receipt for that bike, Thatsut?
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    sammyboy the bike was bought second-hand

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    see http://greenspeed.com.au/brompton/ride.html to get an idea about the height of the 3 types of handlebar

    at 935/1015/1033 mm off the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyboy View Post
    A Mezzo looks quite a lot cheaper, but the picture below suggests that I would lose half the folded size advantage.
    I have owned a Mezzo and a Brommie. There is little pratical difference in folded size. I have found no real advantage of a Brommie on the train over my Mezzo.The Mezzo is very competive here. The brompton is a neater folded package, but if you prefer the increased room of the mezzo I would go for the Mezzo. The only disadvantage in your case is seatpost height. The Mezzo seat post is longer in standard form than a Brommie,but there is not telescopic option.With a sprung saddle you might still be OK on the Mezzo. I would recommend you try both bikes.
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    I hereby undertake to try all 3 Brommies and a Mezzo. I suppose the other thing drawing me to a Brompton is the luggage options on the front (I think my Ortlieb Office Bag 2 would go on the rack, leaving me the whole, large T Bag to carry my clothes for the week), but the Mezzo is considerably cheaper, so it must be given consideration.

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    Diode100 may be an ally. He also may be basking on some foreign shore this weekend.
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    Mezzo is out. Sorry mate, but you are too heavy.

    The maximum combined weight of rider and luggage should not exceed 110kg.
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    Well, that makes it simpler. I am getting lighter (to the tune of over 20lbs since Christmas), which is why a Brompton is now possible, but yeah, 4 kg of luggage is not going to get me away for a week with all my work gear.

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    I noticed that the MU Uno is slightly smaller fold than a Curve and with a 2 speed hub may meet your needs.
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    Unless it folds a lot smaller than the Curve, I don't think it'll work. Minimum folding size with rideability is what I'm after here, and a 2 speed wouldn't really fit the bill either. If a Brompton is a reasonably comfortable ride, then with the wide range and 6 speed, it'll be a very versatile little bike, and I have my Downtubes for when larger is ok.

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