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    To adjust the brake levers hold them open and there is a screw inside the lever housing.

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    Well, I got a chance to ride the R20 this evening. The bike is heavier than my Dahon but beyond that the ride was solid. I'm in luck, the shifter still works. The brakes are shot to hell though. By the end of my short ride I was practically stopping the bike a la Flintstone. Not good.

    Ride was lousey at 1 (which I expected). It was great at 2 (surprisingly). At 3 it was fine once the bike picked up momentum.

    After I give it a bath tomorrow, I know, I know I keep saying this, than it's off to the bike shop (virtual or not) to get some cabling, housing and brake pads. I'll try to work with the original brake mechanisms first. If I can't, then new brakes it is.

    Will post in another thread showing progression of renovation. Look out for pics showing bike and me pulling out my hair by the handful cause I can't figure something out.

    P.S., So far I'll be replacing the pedals for folding pedals, the seat post for a suspension seat post, the ripped saddle for a new saddle and more than likely a new handlepost & handlebar.

    I'm hoping I can salvage and work with the hub and shifter (for now) after putting in new cabling. If that's doesn't buy me time until I eventually replace it, then new gearing it is.

    Eventually it'll get new tires/rims and hopefully a better paint job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyFlorida View Post
    Well, I got a chance to ride the R20 this evening. The bike is heavier than my Dahon but beyond that the ride was solid. I'm in luck, the shifter still works. The brakes are shot to hell though. By the end of my short ride I was practically stopping the bike a la Flintstone. Not good.

    Will post in another thread showing progression of renovation. Look out for pics showing bike and me pulling out my hair by the handful cause I can't figure something out.

    P.S., So far I'll be replacing the pedals for folding pedals, the seat post for a suspension seat post, the ripped saddle for a new saddle and more than likely a new handlepost & handlebar.

    I'm hoping I can salvage and work with the hub and shifter (for now) after putting in new cabling. If that's doesn't buy me time until I eventually replace it, then new gearing it is.

    Eventually it'll get new tires/rims and hopefully a better paint job.
    It is not too expensive to swap out the rear cog to a larger one to get a better gearing as 20's come geared rather high.

    Kool Stop Continentals are the brake you want... they will offer the most improvement although the braking can be improved substantially if you want to replace the rims with alloy ones.

    With the right tyres and a better saddle a suspension seatpost will not be needed and you'd be hard pressed to find one that fit anyways.

    The twist shifter is cool but a trigger shifter will provide better shifting and service... if you find an older one these are better than later issue models or the clone shifters that are out there.

    The new Sun Race AW 3 speed is compatible with the old model as far as shifters and hardware goes so new parts should also be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyFlorida View Post
    I work for a charitable center and occasionally people donate bikes. Most of the time we try and sell them to raise money for the center. Today someone told me of this possible folder thinking I may want to get it. I was looking for a beater type bike to learn basic bike mechanics on besides having a backup for my backup.

    It's a bit of a plus if it's a folder. However, I'm not sure what it is and whether or not it can fold anymore. See pics below:


    Notice the lever in the 2nd pic. It unscrews and normally I think the bike would fold (at least in half) but right now it doesn't. It's been painted it seems.

    Needs new brakes, tubes, the chain seems pretty shot and it needs a good cleaning. It's a one speed. The same style of lever is on the seat post and it seems to be covered in a thickish amount of harden sand. The springs/coils of the saddle are pretty rusted.

    Long term project that's for sure.

    But I'm curious to know what model/make it is. Does anyone know.

    If the pics are too small I've found that if you double click on the image, it gets bigger.
    Congratulations on your new Twenty! I am glad you were able to get one. My own has returned from the shop- see: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?677707-The-Return-Of-My-Raleigh-Twenty-and am overall very happy with giving up my Dahons for this bike. There will still be the need for additional adjustments. But I can tell you for sure that this bike & the restoration project has been well worth it.

    I am still in the getting-to-know-it stage of the ownership period of this bike. But each step has been a eye-opener and an opening up to a new reality of folding bikes-or any other bike type for that matter. The point being is that this bike is not just another clone of a bike manufacturer. It opens up a whole new world of exploring bicycles and using them on or off the saddle.
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    Sixty-five - Strangely enough the three speed may be fast enough for me. However, I may go for a 5 speed if I can't salvage the original hub.

    Oh don't tell me I won't be able to get a new saddle!!! Is the seat post diameter that weird on an R20? Strangely enough I like the present saddle but it's torn in spots and the coils are rusted underneath.

    Right now I have black duct tape covering the small rips. I don't know how I can salvage it and it would look kind of tacky if I left it on Sybil after restoring her to her glory. Yes, she has a name now.

    folder fanatic - Finally saw your post about your R20. Congrats. Can hardly wait to see the pics.

    Aaron - Finally cleaned Sybil up. I definitely have a Sturmey-Archer hub. The stamp date on it is 72 8. I assume that means August 1972.

    All - I'll try to snap a few pics of Sybil tomorrow. She's going on a date and will be kind of spruced up.

    September is "bring your Raleigh Twenty" out to play, according to a R20 website I joined recently.

    I'm taking her to a local ice cream shop. I hope she likes Mango Madness Sherbet.

    After that I'll be calling up auto paint shops for estimates. She needs a repaint --- badly.

    However, my budget is limited so if it's too much, then the paint job will have to wait, unless I decide to do the paint job myself.

    If I decide to go for the paint job first, then that means stripping the R20 down before painting the frame and forks.

    Will post the "before" pics in a separate thread tomorrow.

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    I have owned 2 Twenties and 4 RSW made in Japan. Currently I own 1 that is disassembled and has been since 2007. I need to get it blasted and then powdercoated but something else always comes up. I tell myself I dont have the addiction, but who am I kidding? I have been looking at a 16 Portable.
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    Sunny do it yourself , check this out www.bicycletutor.com
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    Sf - You can replace the saddle... the seat post can also be replaced but I doubt there is a suspension seat post long enough for a 20.

    When the 20 was first released there was no seat post in 1 1/8 that fit a 20 but with the advent of larger diameter frame tubes 1 1/8 seat posts are easy to get in the right lengths which is good if you are a taller rider... or if you want to knock quite a few grams off the bike.

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    Sunny you are correct on the hub date being August 1972, that would potentially make the bike a 1973 model.

    According to the catalog page from that year it was available in Ivory Glaze, Coffee or Bronze Green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyFlorida View Post

    folder fanatic - Finally saw your post about your R20. Congrats. Can hardly wait to see the pics.
    I hope to post them just as soon as I return to the bike shop for additional adjustments-just like a new bike. The bike is all ready for it's formal presentation at the end of this week. I was able to ride it a short distance at least. Except for a weird sensation in it's steering (it felt more like handling a motorcycle than a bicycle to me as it was not too hot in slow speeds under around 10 mph, but was very stable over this), it was a wonderful, buttery smooth ride that my knees did not complain for once. It had a solid feel to it, no creaks, no popping sound that my former Dahons gave.

    I would like to discuss further possible upgrades at least to the steering improvements to the head set with the more advanced owners of the Raleigh Twenty at it's formal presentation thread. (someone remind me if I neglect to add this to the new post).

    Saddle Recommendation: The saddles I use are the very standard Electra & Nirve Saddles for the beach cruiser bikes. There are no need for any type of adapters or additional fancy suspension systems (I have the saddles only now on the stock Brompton's & stock Twenty's, and in the recent past, the Dahons') seatposts. They have rear springs, thinly padded, shaped for, and very supported for the bit wider lower torso region where-you-meet-the-saddle point to put it delicately. I recommend them very highly.
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    Sixty-Fiver - Thanks for the clarification about the seat post. I'm beginning to think going for a better saddle with coils may be better than a suspension seat post (assuming I can find any in the diameter I need).

    Dyno - Oh I don't know about painting it myself. I live in an apartment so how can I do it? However, I've called a few auto paint shops and only one so far will be willing to do it at $125 so I may not have a choice.

    However, my partner in crime, my nephew, wants to price how much it would cost if we, (note the "we") did it ourselves. Now he has a house and a garage and I can tell he's itchy to use his sander on Sybil, never mind reliving his graffit days when he sprayed anything that wasn't moving.

    FF - Thanks for the saddle recommendations. I'll need one, especially a coil type. The saddle that's on Sybil is a large cruiser one with coils. I must say, I find it comfy and will go for that type of saddle for Sybil.

    Aaron - I've saved the catalog link in my R20 folder in my favorites. So glad you gave me a link since it explains the beige undercoat I see peeping out from the bad paint job. I just thought it was primer but it could be the original color of the folder, which may have been Ivory. If so, I think I'll make the color Ivory Haze (which was one of the folder colors pointed out in the catalog.
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    The link I gave you shows how to replace almost everything on a bike.
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    A suspension seat post IS available. I'm currently using a Cane Creek Thudbuster ST 27.2 x 400 mm. Its about 3 inches longer than the stock post. You'll also need a seat post shim. Pair this with a brooks single rail springy seat and riding sybil will be a magic carpet ride!http://www.thudbuster.com/products.html + http://www.brooksengland.com/en/Shop...&prod=B18+Lady

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    Dyno. & social suicide - Thanks for the links.

    Dyno - Yep, I'm already looking into the Bike Tutor and other sources re braking, etc.

    social suicide - Wow!!!! Nice Brooks saddle. Will look into the seatpost mentioned and shins.

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    Magic carpet ride:
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    Quote Originally Posted by social suicide View Post
    Magic carpet ride:
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    Nice... just pulled my Ideale 92 off the shelf and fitted it to my Twenty... sprung saddles kill my back so the Ideale is how I spell r e l i e f.

    Not mine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynocoaster View Post
    The link I gave you shows how to replace almost everything on a bike.
    A bit like Grandpa's old family heirloom axe, had to replace the handle a few times and the head once or twice...... but it's still Grandpa's 'ol axe!!
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