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Old 07-04-11, 03:34 PM   #1
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How do you carry your luggage?

Just went for a three day ride in Denmark, from Helsingør down to and trough Copenhagen. Went there by bus (from home to the ferry) and boat/ferry to Copenhagen and then train from Copenhagen to Helsingør. We used foldingbikes and had most of the stuff (including sleepingbags and tent) in big backpacks "hanging" from the handlebars and strapped to the frontracks (where most of the weight went). Had just some light bags on the rear racks on two bikes.

It worked ok, but the bikes carried all the weight (rider plus lugage) plus parking the bike for visiting museums and such was a bit complicated, we ended up taking turns watching the bikes.

This trip made me (again) think about traveling with trailers, like the Bike Fridays Samsonlite trailer, the Carry Freedom City trailer or the new one from Burly, all small wheel trailers (12,5") so that they can easely be detatched from the bike and rolled innside buildings, shops and so on.

How do you carry your luggage when touring (similar type trips) on a folder?
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I do have the Bike Friday trailer/Carlton case, but prefer to use panniers when touring to have less weight and the panniers can be quickly detached and carried with less trouble than the trailer. I use the trailer when doing trips that involve departing from a different airport so I'd need the suitcase there anyway.
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I have a Carry Freedom City, it is a good companion for my Brompton.
One advantage is the sling bag will also support the folded up bike laid on top of the trailer.
so You can beat feet down a long train platform to get to your rail car..
and once aboard, the wheels fold inside the frame of the trailer.
It folds flat, itself, when done .. No loose parts. other than big sling-bag.

Burley Travoy seems like if there is a planned back country hike
in the middle of the trip,
a mountaineering back pack, and your Boots, can be carried with It.


Brompton, touring bag, on front ...

Bike Friday, Pocket Llama, front pannier rack, Ortlieb Sport Packer bags.

paired together.. my addition..


Wondering ? folded Brompton fits on top of the Carry Freedom-City
trailer so well, if the museums would let you tow it by hand, around inside .

I also own a Burly flatbed, 406 wheel, folding tongue, QR wheels.
at home, the Carry Freedom folds up and stores inside the Flatbed
all into the closet.

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I like the idea of panniers but sometimes there is just too much to carry. Like what are you going to do with that sleeping bag?
I put it in one of the panniers right next to the tent. One pannier holds my camping gear which leaves the other side for clothing, tools, and misc. other items. I frequently also use a handlebar bag for items that I might want to reach quickly while riding - camera, snacks, etc. But I haven't had a problem getting everything to fit in pair of decent size rear panniers.
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Hi
I have BF NWT last year before my trip to Argentina I bought a Carry Freedom Large and I was happy that in the end I took only panniers,because the ropads were so bad ,that you need to pull the bike on sand image with a trailer.So in my next adventures maybe in Europe I will take a trailer but not oversea,anyway It s possible to carry everything in 4 panniers
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radical designs has an interesting trailer too. i woild vote panniers, never had to carry a sleeping bag and tent before
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Different trips different need. My worry is putting too much weight on the bike, most of them is rated for a certain weight, most of the time much lower weight rated than for a big bike.

Also on this trip using four panniers was not practical. Carrying four panniers innside each time we got to a museum (2-3 times a day) was not practical. Therefor I started looking at 12 1/2" wheel trailers.

I`ve got a flatbed like the Carry freedom. Great trailer but to bulky to take innside museums and stuff.

My friend bought (on my recomandation) the City and I think that before the next summer I`ll buy one too. I especially like the fact that it can carry so much and still look more like a suitcase than a biketrailer. I like that it is atached low on the bike.

We are experementing with making a Bike friday like trailer for some old suitcases I`ve got lying around. If successful I`ll try to remember to post.

I like the Burly a lot, especially the fact that you can take it on the bus and bring with you home a big bag of dogfood or similar. It can only carry 26 kg`s and atacthes to the seatpost. Therefor it is not going to be my only solution for a trailer for a folder.

After this trip I decided we must find better solutions for the frontracks on the folders. Can not find a way to make them work without messing up the front brake. Maybe I make a post about that.
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I use standard panniers.

With some folding bikes, you need to be careful as the bags tend to be closer to the ground. This is beneficial in that it lowers the center of gravity, but the bags can also scrape on the ground.

You could use something like this to keep your bags safe: http://www.pacsafe.com/www/index.php? Otherwise, putting a light backpack on a trailer is about as secure as you're going to get.

I also don't tend to do a lot of big-city touristy stuff when my bags are on the bike anyway. Most of my tours are about the scenery, not culture.
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I use standard panniers. For locking stuff down a Pac Safe will do a decent job.

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It gets tricky when you use other modes of transport, doesn't it?
What we did on our last overseas trip was take front and back panniers and fit them into inexpensive duffel bags with two wheels on one side for plane and train transport. We had no camping gear with us for that trip.
When we were riding we had the four panniers each, handlebar and back rack bag and one of us would have the two duffel bags rolled and strapped to the back rack. Then at the train station, we'd fit the panniers and all the straps in duffel bags, put the back rack bags on as knapsacks and I had the handlebar bag that I just carried strapped across my body.
It was a bit of a pain to do the packing/unpacking as often as we did, but we got so good at it that it took us under 10 minutes to have bags put away or bikes ready to ride. And I can't really think of a better way to do it. I think it worked for us because we each had two things to look after: the duffel bag and the bike, not the multiple bags and panniers which are just impossible to carry around.

Not sure I want to ride with a trailer, I like riding with my loaded BF, it feels very stable.
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Just went for a three day ride in Denmark, from Helsingør down to and trough Copenhagen. Went there by bus (from home to the ferry) and boat/ferry to Copenhagen and then train from Copenhagen to Helsingør. We used foldingbikes and had most of the stuff (including sleepingbags and tent) in big backpacks "hanging" from the handlebars and strapped to the frontracks (where most of the weight went). Had just some light bags on the rear racks on two bikes.

It worked ok, but the bikes carried all the weight (rider plus lugage) plus parking the bike for visiting museums and such was a bit complicated, we ended up taking turns watching the bikes.

This trip made me (again) think about traveling with trailers, like the Bike Fridays Samsonlite trailer, the Carry Freedom City trailer or the new one from Burly, all small wheel trailers (12,5") so that they can easely be detatched from the bike and rolled innside buildings, shops and so on.

How do you carry your luggage when touring (similar type trips) on a folder?
My 18 speed Dahon Mu SL Tour is fully decked out for touring. I employ a modular approach to handling my luggage and use the system appropriately where it makes sense! For a basic camping trip which requires no trains and buses, I would simply use panniers as I have a front and rear rack installed. But if a trip requires stops, then I would use my Burley Travoy. I really love this trailer, especially towing it. Unlike loaded panniers, you do not feel unbalanced when standing up to attack hills which I sometimes do, considering that we have steep ones here especially tackling 18 and 22% grades. You can actually feel safe and secure doing that as opposed to being loaded. Cornering and overall pedalling on the flat is like riding an unloaded bike. All you feel is a drag at the back when it's heavy. I also have a pair of "Mommy Hooks" that are basically gigantic version of a carabiner that you can use to hook grocery bags onto your trailer while your gear sits on the cargo end. It's so convenient and I thought why I didn't buy this sooner! You probably saw me travelling on Amtrak with the trailer as well and see the potential with my Dahon.

Yes, the 60lbs limit is the limitation. But why not buy 2, one if for you and the other your partner? You can actually fold the trailer into half, lowering the height more. I have the optional top bag for my clothing stuff, cell phone, RIM Playbook etc.. while the bottom bag holds all my gear. I never exceeded 30 lbs. In fact, I sometimes do camping tours with my Trek carbon bike and the Old Man Mountain rack. So much faster and easier on hills.

By the way, you do get an aerodynamic advantage towing a trailer since it is drafting behind you, where the panniers stick out on the sides like a parachute.

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I just got a Travoy for grocery shopping. Love that little thing, who knows may use it for a tour one day.
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How do you carry your luggage when touring (similar type trips) on a folder?
Short answer is however I want!

I have full size pannier racks for my Bike Friday Tikit that would allow me to carry 4 panniers and still fold the bike in a few seconds. I also have a porteur rack that could hold a large backpack if I wanted to go that route for easier rolling/carrying with the folded bike.
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Is this an optical illusion or am I seeing a 451 wheel in the front with a 406 at the rear?
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distortion. two 451's
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These trailers are just too cool!
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These trailers are just too cool!
I want one!
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After this trip I decided we must find better solutions for the frontracks on the folders. Can not find a way to make them work without messing up the front brake. Maybe I make a post about that.
for my daily needs, I used a klickfix stem caddy. and attach whatever bag you want. i use a klickfix freepack sport backpack. its pretty good, but the quality of zippers and some of the parts of the bag (4 things sticking into the laptop constantly), could be better. i am itching to find someone to build a custom backpack for me. or to modify an arkel or vaude to work with klickfix

but if i really did it right, i would have a klickfix dahon style headtube attachment and a steel bike that could be welded to accommodate such an attachment. then it would have zero effect on steering..

you might still object based on teh weight limits of the various adapters.
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Also on this trip using four panniers was not practical. Carrying four panniers innside each time we got to a museum (2-3 times a day) was not practical. Therefor I started looking at 12 1/2" wheel trailers.
Also, there is the panpack. its interesting, though a little dorky looking, pannier that combines to be a backpack. it does help with the too few hands issue a bit. i have never used it in person.
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Just came back from the Saltspring Island Velo Village conference and bike ferry. Here's my Dahon Mu SL Tour in fully loaded touring mode.

Please note my modular approach to touring plus QR brackets on the front and back for Klickfix bags -- available at ThorUSA and the front and rear rack helps complete the touring package. I can go very light with just 2 Klickfix bags for overnighter hotel/motels. I can go medium camping with 4 bags, light camping with just 2 rear or this setup for the luxury expedition type camping with camping and huge tarp shelter system I have.

With this setup, I managed to climb just as well as people with a BOB Yak and the Nomad or eer maybe out climbing them cause my trailer is 10lbs lighter. Headwind is a nice touch (very little drag) compared to the 4 bag panniers. I'm starting to really like this trailer a lot!!


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I use a Maya Cycle single wheel bicycle trailer (16" wheel) for all my grocery shopping and city commuting (www.mayacycle.com). It's the best trailer I've come across for easy functionality and detachment from my bike. I wheelbarrow it into my apartment with my cargo, its super convenient. I believe it would be a great trailer for touring, although I don't do much touring myself.

The Travoy is pretty cool too, I've tried it but living in the city I decided a single wheel would manouver better around cars and on streets with no bike paths... plus the Travoy has two small plastic like wheels which I don't think would last as long as a tire on an aluminum rim. But I'm not sure about what the wear and tear is on a long distance tour.

I think for any tour, a single wheel trailer is a better idea. Unless you need to tow 100 lbs which you definitely need a two wheel trailer for.

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for my daily needs, I used a klickfix stem caddy. and attach whatever bag you want. i use a klickfix freepack sport backpack. its pretty good, but the quality of zippers and some of the parts of the bag (4 things sticking into the laptop constantly), could be better. i am itching to find someone to build a custom backpack for me. or to modify an arkel or vaude to work with klickfix

but if i really did it right, i would have a klickfix dahon style headtube attachment and a steel bike that could be welded to accommodate such an attachment. then it would have zero effect on steering..

you might still object based on teh weight limits of the various adapters.
I use the same klickfix brackets.

The Dahon style atatchment as you call it I have decid can be done, also on a alu bike.I have decided on the brompton system since it can carry more than the Dahon system. Also I like the T-bag and also the Brompton frame that can be adjusted to take almost any bag.
I spent the evening producing the small metal piece that is going to be welded to the frame of the bikes.

For my alu folder I have decided to have the metal piece welded to a small piece of pipe (half round) that is going to be epoxy glued to the headtube after remowing the paint. I also want to drill two holes in the headtube to match the two holes. On the innside of the headtube I want to glue (epoxy) some "nuts" produced to be used in wooden furniture. I am going to post some pix as the work progresses.


@ pacificcyclist and bjorke: I really like that trailer! Went into a local Burly dealer today to ask if they could order one and found one on display! I`ll buy one soon! Need to look into the bags first.
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I use a Maya Cycle single wheel bicycle trailer (16" wheel) for all my grocery shopping and city commuting (www.mayacycle.com). It's the best trailer I've come across for easy functionality and detachment from my bike. I wheelbarrow it into my apartment with my cargo, its super convenient. I believe it would be a great trailer for touring, although I don't do much touring myself.

The Travoy is pretty cool too, I've tried it but living in the city I decided a single wheel would manouver better around cars and on streets with no bike paths... plus the Travoy has two small plastic like wheels which I don't think would last as long as a tire on an aluminum rim. But I'm not sure about what the wear and tear is on a long distance tour.

I think for any tour, a single wheel trailer is a better idea. Unless you need to tow 100 lbs which you definitely need a two wheel trailer for.

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I really liked the Maya trailer a lot too as it is an improvement over the BOB Yak trailer since its linkage is a floating pivot which helps reduce or eliminate the fish tailing effect that's quite common on the BOB. I think that's why you like it as well. Unfortunately the Maya could not fold as compact like the Travoy and treat it as carry-on. The Travoy wheels had thus far survived quite a bit of torture though. There are some people who had taken the Travoy to some nasty places and longer distances and seemed to survive quite well. I might consider getting a Maya for off-road single track camping trips in the future for my CX or Dahon Mu SL bike if I decide to do more off-road excursions. Right now, the Travoy is doing ok, but you're right the single wheel is more manoeuvrable over really tight rough single track areas that the Travoy was having a bit of a trouble with during last week's camping conference trip.
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