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    Dahon Jetstream XP vs Bike Friday

    I'm looking for a bike to keep in the boot and get some exercise on my frequent travels. I have a fairly good if old Cannondale mountain bike when at home and am looking for a pretty fast, nice riding bike, I think probably a road bike with capacity to take an easy dirt drail.

    So far the Jetstream seems to meet requirements best although I am tempted by a BF Pocket Rocket or maybe one of their offroad versions having read the reviews. It doesn't have to fold in seconds but I don't want something that's a chore since it probably will then stay in the boot of the car too much.

    Opinions or alternative suggestions anyone?

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    I rode the Pocket Rocket last week. It was a great ride. Firm and relatively stiff, etc. But the main problem is that Dahon offers a bike that is 8/10ths of the BF for 1/3 the price. Since this is usually someone's 2nd or 3rd bike they own, it's hard to justify the price, but if it is your primary bike, then I'd go with the BF. I just received the Speed P8 a couple days ago. The saddle wasn't nearly as bad as i thought it would be, in fact it's quite comfy but I think it will be too wide for long rides. What I'm impressed about is the frame. It seems to be on equal footing of the BF, perhaps better, so eventually I can upgrade. The BF fits in a standard Samsonite hardside suitcase, but the handlebars are split in half. That was scary to see, but they put a plug inside so it's not a big deal (I guess.) I got the Speed P8 on ebay (non-auction) for $439.99 which included shipping AND the travel bag. Not quite as compact, but it folds quicker and a bit easier.

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    I used to own A Bike Friday New World Tourist and a Dahon Speed Pro.
    Based on my 10 mile daily commute, I would suggest that you go for bike friday if you can afford it.
    I had several issues with the Dahon which really spoilt it for me, whereas the bike friday I still regret selling. The main issue is build quality, mainly of the frame. The Dahon's frames are produced as cheaply as possible, evident from the poor weld quality, alignment and cable guides (bend pieces of metal). Paint tends to flake to. I had problems with the main hinge and stem. I also observed much more frame twist than I felt was acceptable. The upside is you get get quality components with the money which is not spent on the frame; the rolf wheels for example, and good brakes and crank. I found the bike friday flawless in build quality (much lighter than the dahon, even with several groupsets down), although some cost cutting component practises do take place. The lighter and more rigid frame of the BF makes for a much faster bike, although it can be punishing on rough ground.
    I hope you find this helpful.

    Sam

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    well well
    being a dahon dealer my opinion is biased of course ... ( thats why I tell it up front )
    The built quality of dahons has gotten better and better EVERY YEAR ..... the new hinges are awesome and still its way cheaper than a bike friday ....

    I know I know The bike Fridays are nice bikes too...

    however being a sailor as well I wouldnt put a bike friday on my boat. Space is limited and there is always stuff together with the bike ( unless you have a designated storage area ...lol ) Things go bump in the night ( or with a big blow coming from nowhere ) and things are flying around on a sailboat. A few litte scratches dont hurt on a 500 dlr bike quite as much as on a 1500 bike...

    get a little better Dahon than the basics and dont feel bad if a winch handle just dropped down into the lazarette where the bike is ... lol

    ps. you were looking for a jetstream XP ???? As far as I know they are all sold out. except one with a few scratches ...email me if you are interested ...
    ( jboats@hotmail.com)

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    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister
    well well
    being a dahon dealer my opinion is biased of course ... ( thats why I tell it up front )
    The built quality of dahons has gotten better and better EVERY YEAR ..... the new hinges are awesome and still its way cheaper than a bike friday ....

    I know I know The bike Fridays are nice bikes too...

    however being a sailor as well I wouldnt put a bike friday on my boat. Space is limited and there is always stuff together with the bike ( unless you have a designated storage area ...lol ) Things go bump in the night ( or with a big blow coming from nowhere ) and things are flying around on a sailboat. A few litte scratches dont hurt on a 500 dlr bike quite as much as on a 1500 bike...

    get a little better Dahon than the basics and dont feel bad if a winch handle just dropped down into the lazarette where the bike is ... lol

    ps. you were looking for a jetstream XP ???? As far as I know they are all sold out. except one with a few scratches ...email me if you are interested ...
    ( jboats@hotmail.com)

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    Agreed.

    My first bikes were Dahons (Piccolo, Speed 8) and have seen the development of the frame and hinge get better each year. Dahon uses the same material as Bike Friday which is Chromoly 4130 so the only difference are the hinges. My Speed 8 is now 3 years old and the new bikes are about 20% better in component spec and frame construction. The Dahon is the fastest folding 20' inch wheel bicycle on the market.

    However. If I were touring around the world, I'd choose a Bike Friday simply because of that suite case and wider range of gears. I would not buy a Bike Friday if I needed to use it in conjunction with bus and rail transport. The Friday is too cumbersome for quick folding which is why I would choose a Dahon.

    I consider folding bikes a utility cycle. I know there are people that prefer to use them for regular riding but it's too much of a compromise. There is no folding bike out there that feels like my Bianchi in terms of speed and efficiency. There is no folding bike out there that is as comfortable as my 700 cc touring bike.

    As a result, here's my opinion. If you're not going to use the bike for touring outside the country or with trains, you're better off geting a full size road bike. If you're looking for a bike to use with bus/trains, get the Dahon. If you're looking for a bike to board airplanes and travel outside the country, get the Friday.

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    on a sailboat the suitcase for the friday is useless... every ounce of room ( and weight ..lol ) is important.
    plus it probably would raise some condensation problems in a closed suitcase ...

    :-)

    Thorsten

    ( J 30 with a dahon picolo on board )

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    OK already... we know you're a Dahon dealer... And can ride a Piccolo on water.

    Honestly - we get it; we get it; we get it.


    - A current Bike Friday, Birdy and Brompton owner (that's why I tell it up front)


    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister
    on a sailboat the suitcase for the friday is useless... every ounce of room ( and weight ..lol ) is important.
    plus it probably would raise some condensation problems in a closed suitcase ...

    :-)

    Thorsten

    ( J 30 with a dahon picolo on board )

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    Quote Originally Posted by spambait11
    OK already... we know you're a Dahon dealer... And can ride a Piccolo on water.

    Honestly - we get it; we get it; we get it.

    Don't be bitter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spambait11
    OK already... we know you're a Dahon dealer... And can ride a Piccolo on water.

    Honestly - we get it; we get it; we get it.


    - A current Bike Friday, Birdy and Brompton owner (that's why I tell it up front)
    I'm not a Dahon dealer.

    I'm making the assumption the original poster lives in the US. If he lived in England, I would have told him to get the Brompton if he needed a commuter bike to board buses or trains. I don't tell people to buy the Brompton in the U.S. because it's waaaaay over priced and most people will never pay that much for a folder. In fact, about 30% of the price of the Brompton is due to the poor exchange rate you get between the US dollar and the British Pound Sterling. This is the reason, I cannot recommend the Birdy which costs even more than the Brompton!

    Reading Jim's post again made me think, what he really needs is a cross bike period.

    >>>>>I have a fairly good if old Cannondale mountain bike when at home and am looking for a pretty fast, nice riding bike, I think probably a road bike with capacity to take an easy dirt drail.<<<<

    I don't know of any folding bike that can become a road bike with the capacity to take an easy dirt trail. I suspect he really needs a cross bike like the Surly Cross check. This way he can change wheel sets for both dirt and roads. Unfortunately, the Surly Cross check is not a folding bike and there is no folder on the market that comes close. (maybe the Ritchey?) I would not buy a Bike Friday, Dahon, Brompton or Birdy for dirt trails. Dahon and Montague make folding mountain bikes which would be fine for dirt trails, neither is a road bike.

    I guess the answer to this question would depend on what method of transportation he intends to travel with the bike. Airplane? boat? bus? train?

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    ok my problem . I missread the original poster ... he said he wanted to put bike in boot ( which happens to be the german spelling for boat) , being german by origin i just made a mistake. If the boot is the trunk ( for us americans ..lol ) than dahon steve advice is of course right on ...

    still the post is a little bitter, isnt it .

    brakemeister

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    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister
    I missread the original poster ... he said he wanted to put bike in boot ( which happens to be the german spelling for boat)
    "Boot" is also the Canadian spelling for "boat". At least I think it is, because when I ask my Canadian friends what they've been up to, they usually say something that sounds like "Oh, I've been out in a boot."


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    Firstly, thanks for all the interest!

    I'll try and clarify a few things: I live in Sweden (where there seems to be no Bike Friday, Dahon or Birdy dealers although I have been offered the one and only Trek F600 in Sweden which was here as a dealer demo)

    I have two decent none-folders: A Cannondale Super V 700 of mid-nineties origin and a CyclePro Mountain bike Tandem. I travel a lot mostly by car and want a bike to keep permanently in the boot(trunk, luggage space whatever) of my car ( A Toyota Prius so not overly huge) to try and actually get some cycling done. I really love a decent bike and am prepared to pay for what I want but I am not going to compete so lets not overdo things.

    At the moment I have added the Helios SL to my list as well as the Trek F600 and if I can't do trails then so be it. The bike has to be small enough to be kept out of sight.

    Oh yes, I'm 5 10 (178cm) and weigh 96kg which is about 8kg more than I would like.
    Advice and comments much appreciated!

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    Jim,

    There is a Dahon distributor in Sweden. there's also an internet dealer that sells across the EU.

    www.world-wheels.co.uk

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    Thanks, however I've checked out both sites.

    The Swedish distributor is either just starting or is going out of business since their web shop is offline and they only show 3 outlets -all boat suppliers - which all show out of date, older Dahon models. Not helped by them being 500km away!

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    Dahon Speed TR (if you need the wide gearing range), Dahon Speed P8 if you don't.

    The Bike Friday NWT with the SRAM Dual Drive is good, but it doesn't fold as easily, and it has very few advantages over the Speed TR, yet it costs a lot more. It would have cost me more than $1000 more than the Speed TR for the comparable Bike Friday.

    I don't know what the pricing is where you are though.

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