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    Who Manufactures Dahon?

    Hey wondering if anyone knows who does the OEM manufacturing for Dahon folding bikes.

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    dahon makes their own bikes.
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AEO View Post
    dahon makes their own bikes.
    Are you sure? Does Dahon Taiwan have its own factories?
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    See http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...-europe-30530/

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    Does Dahon Taiwan have its own factories?
    as I read here..
    Tern Was started up on Taiwan ROC, Dahon is on the Mainland, various sites, PRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamtsa View Post
    Are you sure? Does Dahon Taiwan have its own factories?
    KAMTSA
    its christmas season.... dont muddle the waters with your comments , you know what I mean , and you know the answer to your question quite as well. I have tried to explain this over and over ... it should by now have sunk in....

    to the original question.
    Most Dahon bikes are built in Dahon own factory in China also the residence of David Hon who runs the plant. Dahon also has smaller satelite locations some in Macau as I recall ( they are building some bikes for the local market there, or close by ) and they have a coperation with a plant in Europe to assemble bikes in Europe. In the past the Euro bikes were very very similar to the ones built in China, I do however not know about the new plant in Europe as Dahon has switched from Tchecoslowakia to Hungary ( I am pretty sure) ..... Everybody knows that Europe has a stiff custom tariff on all bikes made outside the EU and therefore a assembly location in Europe makes good sense.

    Anyhow... back to the OP why are you asking ?
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    Hi Thor, the facade of a single Dahon company is over. The court documents show clearly that the split happened more than 10 years ago. With all the respect, you are the only one that still tries to perpetuate this old PR image. The two Dahons already gave up. Read for example the fine print at the bottom of Dahon Taiwan's site http://www.dahon.com .

    Anyway, happy holidays.
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    My parents in Canada are interested in buying a pair. I am in Taiwan at the moment, thought if the OEM was here I could get the same bike unbranded for a much better price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemcxx View Post
    My parents in Canada are interested in buying a pair. I am in Taiwan at the moment, thought if the OEM was here I could get the same bike unbranded for a much better price.
    unless you can buy a 7sp for less than $400, after factoring in all the extra luggage fees, it would be cheaper and less of a hassle to just buy them while they are on sale at around now through mid January from one of the toronto shops.


    don't forget that if it breaks, you are out of luck getting it warrantied.
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    Kamtsa I said it before.... Court stuff, and lawyer who are trying to make themself rich on this deal are of NO INTEREST to me.

    What is of interest is the bikes the two companies Dahon and Tern are producing, the pricepoints, the quality and such.
    What was in the past, who owned what and where is not my concern at all.

    I am a dealer who makes ( partly anyhow) his lifelyhood selling the bikes of the two companies. Therefore I should be concerned if there would be any "meat" to all that talk. But I am not .
    A consumer who is buying a bike ( its just a bicycle you know, not a house ) is not at all exposed to any of this anyhow. Therefore I do not understand why on heavens earth you are slinging this mud around all the time. Does that serve any purpose ? Are you involved in this behind the scene family drama ? Lets hear ..I am willing to learn

    to the OP... I do not think that any subsupplier would risk his partnership with a major customer, selling one bike straight out. Besides this would be almost impossible o do anyhow ...Reason : The company like Dahon or Tern or SpecializedTrek or whatever ... makes a contract, they will order and pay for the components usually which are send to the assemble, which gets a cut for every bike being assembled.... sometimes contracts are different, but in general it works like that..... as long as they pay their invoices it will be next to imossible to walk out with a bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister View Post
    Kamtsa I said it before.... Court stuff, and lawyer who are trying to make themself rich on this deal are of NO INTEREST to me.

    What is of interest is the bikes the two companies Dahon and Tern are producing, the pricepoints, the quality and such.
    What was in the past, who owned what and where is not my concern at all.

    I am a dealer who makes ( partly anyhow) his lifelyhood selling the bikes of the two companies. Therefore I should be concerned if there would be any "meat" to all that talk. But I am not .
    A consumer who is buying a bike ( its just a bicycle you know, not a house ) is not at all exposed to any of this anyhow. Therefore I do not understand why on heavens earth you are slinging this mud around all the time. Does that serve any purpose ? Are you involved in this behind the scene family drama ? Lets hear ..I am willing to learn

    to the OP... I do not think that any subsupplier would risk his partnership with a major customer, selling one bike straight out. Besides this would be almost impossible o do anyhow ...Reason : The company like Dahon or Tern or SpecializedTrek or whatever ... makes a contract, they will order and pay for the components usually which are send to the assemble, which gets a cut for every bike being assembled.... sometimes contracts are different, but in general it works like that..... as long as they pay their invoices it will be next to imossible to walk out with a bike....

    thor
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    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister View Post
    Therefore I do not understand why on heavens earth you are slinging this mud around all the time. Does that serve any purpose ? Are you involved in this behind the scene family drama ? Lets hear ..I am willing to learn
    It's very simple, there is a big gap between the ideal world perception presented to us and the reality. If you really want to learn, read the documents submitted under penalty of perjury and you will understand. Don't blame the lawyers, they did not create a false appearance.

    As for consumers buying Dahon bikes, they need to know who is behind it, Dahon 1 or Dahon 2 (two independent companies).

    Anyway, happy holidays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamtsa View Post
    As for consumers buying Dahon bikes, they need to know who is behind it, Dahon 1 or Dahon 2 (two independent companies).
    Why would they need to know? You go to a bike shop, buy a Dahon, simple. I don't really see what impact it might have on the bike shopper. Even for me, knowing that there are two companies, what does it matter? As long as I like the bike and it does what I need it to do, then whoever has control of factories or whatever and court cases, let them slide. I'll ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamtsa View Post
    It's very simple, there is a big gap between the ideal world perception presented to us and the reality. If you really want to learn, read the documents submitted under penalty of perjury and you will understand. Don't blame the lawyers, they did not create a false appearance.

    As for consumers buying Dahon bikes, they need to know who is behind it, Dahon 1 or Dahon 2 (two independent companies).

    Anyway, happy holidays.
    Wait a sec here!

    Does this mean that I have to meet the cow and get to know it before I had it turned into a nice juicy steak?
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    to the OP, if you are in Taiwan, why not check out the ORI?

    http://www.oribikes.com/products/det...=0&cID=1&Key=1
    the Surpaz CR87 is a sweet looking bike.
    as is the CR1.0
    http://www.oribikes.com/products/det...0&cID=1&Key=28

    the dealer is in Tachia Town, Taichung Hsien. might be worth a look if you are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacificcyclist View Post
    Wait a sec here! Does this mean that I have to meet the cow and get to know it before I had it turned into a nice juicy steak?
    Packaged food product do identify the vendor, for example in case of food recall.

    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Why would they need to know? You go to a bike shop, buy a Dahon, simple. I don't really see what impact it might have on the bike shopper. Even for me, knowing that there are two companies, what does it matter? As long as I like the bike and it does what I need it to do, then whoever has control of factories or whatever and court cases, let them slide. I'll ride.
    Yes, "As long as I like the bike and it does what I need it to do" is the key. Otherwise you need, warranty, safety recalls, and spare parts, which are the responsibilities of the bike company, not the bike shop. The bike company obligations do not end at the time of purchase.

    I find the practice of 'we will sell you a bike from independent company A or independent company B but will make it vague which one' to be strange.
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    Wow I didn't realize my simple question would stir up so much discussion. Anyway;

    badrad, Thanks for the tip, I'll check out he ORI.

    AEO, good point, I may end up paying for a Less than Container Load (LCL) and ship a bunch of stuff back when I leave since I have a 4 bikes and a motorcycle right now and that could grow. Any shops in Toronto you know have good deals? Parents are in Waterloo.

    Thor, I agree, I can't get a complete Dohan exactly like one you'd get in a shop direct from the factory, but I can get a 'Dohan' frame, then source the components in the same way dont you think. I went to the Tapei Cycle Show last spring, you can clearly tell who does the OEM for SRAM, FSA, etc., they show off the 'factory' model but use the same colors and typesetting as their most famous contract manufacturer. I asked, do you do OEM for SRAM, the guy smiles and say, I cannot tell you that information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamtsa View Post
    Otherwise you need, warranty, safety recalls, and spare parts, which are the responsibilities of the bike company, not the bike shop.
    Actually from the customer's POV, it does end at the bike shop. That's where you take your broken bike for any warranty issues. From then on it's the bike shop's baby. The customer has no recourse with the manufacturer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gemcxx View Post
    Wow I didn't realize my simple question would stir up so much discussion. Anyway;

    badrad, Thanks for the tip, I'll check out he ORI.

    AEO, good point, I may end up paying for a Less than Container Load (LCL) and ship a bunch of stuff back when I leave since I have a 4 bikes and a motorcycle right now and that could grow. Any shops in Toronto you know have good deals? Parents are in Waterloo.

    Thor, I agree, I can't get a complete Dohan exactly like one you'd get in a shop direct from the factory, but I can get a 'Dohan' frame, then source the components in the same way dont you think. I went to the Tapei Cycle Show last spring, you can clearly tell who does the OEM for SRAM, FSA, etc., they show off the 'factory' model but use the same colors and typesetting as their most famous contract manufacturer. I asked, do you do OEM for SRAM, the guy smiles and say, I cannot tell you that information.
    I would just hit them all up and see who has the best deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Actually from the customer's POV, it does end at the bike shop. That's where you take your broken bike for any warranty issues. From then on it's the bike shop's baby. The customer has no recourse with the manufacturer.
    Jur, read the warranty that you got with the bike. The Dahon warranty for example starts with 'Dahon warrants ...'. It binds Dahon, not the retailer. Same as a car warranty binds the car manufacturer, not the dealer that sold you the car. Problem is that there are two independent companies operating under the name Dahon and they do not clarify which of the two is bound by the warranty you get. It's odd.
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    Look I know all this, read my post - if your bike breaks you DON'T go to the manufacturer - you go to the dealer. End of story. Whether its Dahon China or Dahon Global, I don't care. The shop must handle the issue. I'm going for a ride now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Why would they need to know? You go to a bike shop, buy a Dahon, simple. I don't really see what impact it might have on the bike shopper. Even for me, knowing that there are two companies, what does it matter? As long as I like the bike and it does what I need it to do, then whoever has control of factories or whatever and court cases, let them slide. I'll ride.
    If yoy suffer from "no life", a bad temper and a pinch of paranoia such things suddenly becomes WERY important I am afraid. Sad.
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    I would also like to just point out that even those the frame might be made in the same country or even a factory down the street or even the same factory as the real dahon bike, the unauthorized frames are going to be a lot more hit and miss with more variance in quality. of course you might get lucky but what you really pay for when you buy the name brand is not only the r&d but also the quality control and resulting warranty service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gemcxx View Post
    ........... but I can get a 'Dohan' frame, then source the components in the same way dont you think..
    I would doubt very much that you could build up two current model bikes from parts for less than you could buy the complete articles.

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    Maybe look at Craiglist or similar? Quite often peopel buy or get foldingbikes, keep them for several years but hardly use them and then sell them at approx half price. I bought two Bromptons and one Dahon curve that was almost untouched this summer and autumn.
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