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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    The work began on the Brompton and Dahon folding bikes about the same time, and they were introduced to the American cycling public in the same issue of Bicycling magazine (May, 1984). Yet according to numbers given by Andrew Ritchie, twenty-five years on Dahon was selling 40X the number of folding bikes, and Brompton only had significant market share in their tarriff-protected home market. Seriously, hard to call Josh out on this one.
    I'm not gonna get into which bike is better, but I'm pretty sure popularity is not equal to quality. Dahon doesn't outsell Brompton because it makes a better bike. It outsells Brompton because it manufactures its products in a place with far lower labor cost. And Brompton's cheapest bike is around $1200. I'd wager the *huge* majority of Dahon's global sales are well below that. It'd be interesting to ask who sells more bikes over $1200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    What sort of innovation is lacking, exactly?
    I would say material and frame design which increases the foldability (quickness improvement and size reduction). A good bike would be a Brompton sized one with a weight of no more than 7 kg with a fold that's easy and fast, say like most three motions and maximum 5 seconds folding time. Could you get an even lighter bike, that would also be nice. I believe either a new material or a new frame design is needed to achieve this (you probably need both). How to do it? Don't ask med I'm not a bike engineer (not an engineer at all actually).
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    I've also noticed a distinct lack of anti-gravity cars. Get with it, Toyota!

    For someone who says "don't ask me" you seem to have a lot of specific ideas about what other people's ideas should be

    Do you want the price under $400, too?
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    You can invest in the startup of the UFB, an all titanium Brompton..
    I think Len has a Kickstarter appeal going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    I've also noticed a distinct lack of anti-gravity cars. Get with it, Toyota!

    For someone who says "don't ask me" you seem to have a lot of specific ideas about what other people's ideas should be

    Do you want the price under $400, too?
    Nah, I could caugh up around $1500 - 2000 for something like that (but then again if that would be the case, it probably would be cheaper in the USA).

    Well you asked, what kind of innovation is missing and I answered what I think are important. I never said what anybody elses ideas should be about. Improving hinges and stuff is good for getting your business around (you can't sell bikes that don't exist yet, therefore you must improve what you have in the meantime) but for me that's just what it is: improvements. Innovations would mean turning the marked upside down. To be honest my wishes are not that crazy (I mean, wanting a lighter folding bike that folds faster and smaller are not exactly innovative), maybe they are absurd due to the laws of nature and economy but still they are merely but "old" improvements taken further. It's not really a new way of thinking about folders.

    Besides, your question is so general that there could be thousands and thousands answers to it... except for you writing "exactly". That word alone makes your question kind of tricky. I don't really know what you are looking for. What do you self think are missing, exactly?
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