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    question from a bike dealer

    hi guys
    im a bike dealer and wanted to ask the 'folding bike' users a question.

    you are living in a city apartment where you dont need a bike for commute.your only usage is for recreation,mtb etc.
    your city apartment doesn't have a bike parking facility.

    your local bike store sells all kinds of bikes including the big wheel folding bikes like montague.

    considering that you might have to park without any security. would you guys purchase a folding bike or would you purchase a non-folding bike?

    im asking this because im just trying to see how good the folding bikes would sell in a city where the bikes are only used for recreation[non commute].

    thanks for helping me here.

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    why do you have to park without security ?
    Most folks fold their bikes and take them inside wherever they go.... if they are forbidden to take the small ( maybe even covered) folded bike inside, they do not patronize the establishment.

    Than you can always lock the bike as well with a good lock...

    26 inch folders are in my opinion cute and offer some people the "grownUp" or "real" bike feel, but in all reality they do not offer the same feeling or versatility than 20 inch ones... A lot of folks like their twenties much more than any big bike.

    I sell most 26 inch folding bikes to folks who take them in the back of their car and than drive to a good spot .... than leave them in the car and explore a different area the next weekend ....

    still dont understand the security deal

    and yes folding bikes are excellent to use for plain old recreational fun without the commute

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    You are going to get skewed results on this forum. Most of the folks here are going to say they'd buy the folding bike (we like 'em!)

    A good folding bike isn't that different from a good general purpose normal bike.

    Compared to non-folding bike:
    The upsides are: Easier to travel with. Take up less space when stored. Lovely for using mass-transit to get to your riding spot.
    The downsides: They are a bit heavier, more pricey, and tend to be one size fits most.

    If you are going to do 'serious' mountain biking, or road cycling, you can do that on a folder too, but your choices are more limited, and expensive.

    The issue of if you can convey this to your customers, and if they will want to buy a folder is an entirely different issue. There is a pre-conceived notion that small wheeled bikes don't ride as well as big wheeled bikes -- there are tons of requests for what is the best 'large wheeled' folder on this forum. There is also a common attitude that folders are only for commuters. Both suppositions are generally false, but it's work to convince people otherwise.

    A test ride usually does the trick

    Me? You'd have to work pretty hard to convince me to get a bike that isn't a folder.
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    The folding bicycle has many advantages over ordinary bikes, it is nimble in traffic, it accelerates faster, there is less wind resistance, and a much higher chance of scoring with the (insert gender of choice.) Moreover, folding bicycles are just plain sexy, and you can take them into bars and restaurants, on buses, planes and trains, pack one in the car for the long weekend by the coast, and they also cure warts and restore virginity. Many folder owners also have a large wheel bike, but many find that a folder is much more versatile, and gives a lot more pleasure per mile. They open up distant vistas by car or bus, and when you go to your parents for Hannukah/Christmas/Thanksgiving, you can get out on the bike as soon the turkey cadaver is cleared away. Who would not want to do this?

    It's a lifestyle choice. You either get it, or you don't. Don't tell anyone. It can be our secret.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mastana View Post
    hi guys
    im a bike dealer and wanted to ask the 'folding bike' users a question.

    you are living in a city apartment where you dont need a bike for commute.your only usage is for recreation,mtb etc.
    your city apartment doesn't have a bike parking facility.

    your local bike store sells all kinds of bikes including the big wheel folding bikes like montague.

    considering that you might have to park without any security. would you guys purchase a folding bike or would you purchase a non-folding bike?

    im asking this because im just trying to see how good the folding bikes would sell in a city where the bikes are only used for recreation[non commute].

    thanks for helping me here.
    There is no difference in theft deterrence between a folding and non-folding bike if you leave it unlocked in front of a grocery store or under a tree in a recreational park like those found in Asia or in Central Park in New York city. It also depends if you are biking in a bike theft prone city like NYC or Vancouver, BC, Canada or in the middle of the boonies somewhere where it is safe without a lock. There are some places you can not always take your folding bikes into, namely swimming pools though I am wondering if the Dahon Jifo 16 (folded) could fit into one of those tall big lockers? That's when I lock my Dahon Speed Uno on a bike rack with a New York Lock. Yes, bike theft in Vancouver, Canada is pretty serious and as a victim of twice (once my bike got stolen in broad daylight in front of MEC locked with a Kryptonite Mini) and another time my shifters were partially stripped and snipped in front of Choices at Cambie st because I had it locked to my NY Forgetaboutit lock. And folding bikes nowadays come equipped with high end SRAM and Shimano parts, so if they don't take your bike, they'll gladly strip it. There are local strip yards in my town where I see carcasses of bike frames being abandoned. It is easier to sell stripped bike parts than the whole bike, seemingly because selling a whole bike meaning you need to deal with sizing.

    So in the end, buying a folding bike is strictly a customer choice for convenience in storing the bike in a downsized apartment/flat/condo or as the means of not buying a bike rack for the car.
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    Note, where there is the services , people take a multi modal weekend get away,
    putting yourself and your folding bike on a train, and then enjoying a ride in the countryside,
    and a nice supper, then riding the train back to return to your home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastana View Post
    ...considering that you might have to park without any security. would you guys purchase a folding bike or would you purchase a non-folding bike?

    im asking this because im just trying to see how good the folding bikes would sell in a city where the bikes are only used for recreation[non commute].
    I would not leave any bike of value with no security. In your scenario, the folding bike provides more opportunities for secured storage (.e.f. folded behind the sofa or in the trunk's car).

    We have two small wheel folding bikes (for recreation only) and most of the time they are stored at the trunk of our car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snafu21 View Post
    PS: I lied about the warts and the virginity.
    I see, so they cure virginity and restore warts?
    Happier than a camel on wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamtsa View Post
    I see, so they cure virginity and restore warts?
    Well I don't have any warts, but I'm yet to come up with a way to test the virginity restoration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mastana View Post
    ... im a bike dealer and wanted to ask the 'folding bike' users a question. ...
    Where are you located?

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    I am thinking that we are not the right peopel to ask since we already have several folders each (most of us) and have realised how great good quality folders are. I needed several years of looking at folders and reading about them before I realised that they could be such great bikes. I live in the countryside and if I (god forbid) could keep only one bike it would be a folder. Since I have to deal with quite a lot of snow and sometimes dustroad and soft trails I would keep a 20" folder. If I lived in a city I would keep my Brompton, but if you had asked me 7-8 yrs ago my answer would have been different. Also I would not have been willing to spend the money needed to get a good quality folder since I would look upon it as a experiment and a curiosity.

    No way would I bother with a "full size" folder, but you can not expect the avreage person to realise how good the small wheels are. Peopel think the wheels are less strong and that the small wheels roll slower.

    Most of us find that you get a lot of atention when folding and unfolding a folder and peopel tend to think they are really smart when you fold it and take it on the bus or train for free but they do not buy one, at least not right away. I see 3-4 folders pr year where I live and none of them of good quality.

    One size fits all are partly true, at least for short trips, so if it is your daughter or your grand child that are wisiting you your spare folder is going to offer them transport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    Well I don't have any warts, but I'm yet to come up with a way to test the virginity restoration.
    It seems to be happening with age, in my case. :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by snafu21 View Post
    It seems to be happening with age, in my case. :-(
    Virginity restoration or warts?
    °Empty drums make a lot of noice... (Old Hungarian proverb).

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