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Old 03-19-12, 09:40 AM   #1
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Anyone try the Origami Cricket folder?

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First post on the boards. I am an avid cyclist but am only now on a commute that involves a train, and would like to snag up my first folder. I am set between two bikes at this point (for my budget any how). The first one is the downtube nova (there are plenty of good things said about down tube here on the forums), and the other is called the Cricket made by the Origami Bicycle Co. I can't find anything on the Origami Cricket, so I thought I would put the question out there. Seems like a lot of features for the money ($300 + $40 shipping)-mechanical disc brakes, full suspension, aluminium frame and fork, fender, rack, etc. I would love to hear if anyone out there had any experience with this bike, or just thoughts in general. To be honest I am still leaning toward the Downtube Nova, since it has a track record, but it might be worth the risk of trying this new kid in town before they catch on and prices go up, much the same way happened with downtube.

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http://www.origamibicycles.com/product.php?cid=2

Let me know what you think, below are a few pics of the Origami Cricket




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What is the Cricket supposed to weigh ?

Doesn't look like it's going to be easy to cary.

It may be the bargain of a life time, but I suspect not, mail order only, no dealer support, notionally over spec'd for the price, 60 day warranty on parts, one year warranty on the frame - buy a Nova would be my advice.
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Interesting bike indeed and so is the Crane. The owner is a member here (Pinigins).
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For that price range you might consider the citizen bike as well. There's a guy on here that got a Citizen miami for $199+ and is happy with it. Or you could try to find a used dahon. I just ordered a Tern D8 from REI. If there is a REI store in your area you might go there and see if they have the Tern C7 in stock which is $450.
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Hey Guys,
Let me know what you think, below are a few pics of the Origami Cricket
I think its beautiful! But, I am biased...

The bike does pack a lot of features for the cost, and that is intentional. We introduced the Cricket at a lower price point to ensure brisk early sales (your prediciton is correct, the price will likely increase in the summer).

The Cricket weighs in at 30 lbs +/- including everything that you see in the photos above (rack, fenders, pedals, saddle, etc.) I know that some manufacturers don't include all components in their listed weights, but I don't favor that approach.

We chose not to sell through bike shops simply because we want to get the bikes into the hands of riders at the most reasonable cost, so we aviod the markup by selling direct.

The Crane model is more comparable to the Nova (no suspension, similar size, similar style, similar weight, etc.), so that may be of interest as well.
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There's a guy on here that got a Citizen miami for $199+ and is happy with it. .
The Miami is a nice looking bike, but it weighs in 32 lbs. without the rack. It still may be worthwhile, but the weight should be considered.
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The weight of the Miami and that you can't get it in stores here is why I went with a Tern through REI. Citizen does have some lighter models that weigh between 26-29lbs that might be worth considering though.
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Thank you guys, and thank you Pinigis, since you would know more about the Cricket than anyone, would you be able to provide more detailed specs? Your website has some specs but I still have some questions on the Cricket. I am particularly concerned with the rigidity of the ride, is the rear suspension adjustable? and can I lock our the fron suspension to make it a rigid fork? Also, what kind of gearing does the cricket have and what materials is the crank set up (all aluminium or are there plastic plate cover like you would find on cheaper department store bikes). I really like both the Nova and the Cricket is ever more appealing, but some more detail on ride characteristics of the Cricket and maybe more technical details would be appreciated.

A big consideration for me is that I have a fairly steep hill on the commute - yay san francisco! Thus I am very concerned with a ride which would be to "squishy" as a result of a non-adjustable suspension.

Thank you for the input thus far and please keep it coming.
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If it is really hilly where you live you might want to consider a folding mountain bike.
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Not really hilly, just the one hill, I value the portability more than the gearing as far as a mountain bike is concerned - just too big.
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Hi Pinigis,
I am essentially leaning towards the Nova for its track record, but I am tempted by the feature packed cricket you offer for the price. Can you give me a really detailed spec breakdown (beyond the spec sheet on the website). I mentioned in the thread I really care about the full suspension not being squishy, so I would like to know how bouncy it is, and if the front/rear suspension is adjustable or able to lock out for a nice stiff ride when going up a hill or something.

Essentially I am asking you to sell me on the bike, I would like to give Origami a chance, but I will need some convincing.

Hit me up.
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Hi Pinigis,
I am essentially leaning towards the Nova for its track record, but I am tempted by the feature packed cricket you offer for the price. Can you give me a really detailed spec breakdown (beyond the spec sheet on the website). I mentioned in the thread I really care about the full suspension not being squishy, so I would like to know how bouncy it is, and if the front/rear suspension is adjustable or able to lock out for a nice stiff ride when going up a hill or something.

Essentially I am asking you to sell me on the bike, I would like to give Origami a chance, but I will need some convincing.

Hit me up.
Gap_49,

I like your approach! OK, lets see if the following covers your questions:
The rear suspension is easily adjustable via a standard pretensioner on the spring. I suppose that you could turn it far enough to lock it out, but i have not tried.
The Front suspension is a Zoom model and is not easily adjusted.
The covers on the crank set are plastic for lighter weigth since they bear no load.
The riding position is upright.
The frame is very rigid.
The hinges have both a pin and latch for added security.
The disk brakes lower the reaction forces to near the axles for more secure stops.

What else can I tell you?
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Thanks a ton Pinigis, when you say the crank cover is plastic do you mean they spider, or only the part that protects your pants from the chain. Also, as you mentioned that the front fork is not adjustable, how would you describe the feel of the Cricket if I were to be standing up on the pedals climbing up a hill?
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Old 03-19-12, 03:35 PM   #14
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It looks like a 20". My Curve D3 is a 16", and it doesn't really fold notably smaller than a 20". I wish I had bought the cheaper Speed D7 instead. 20" are also loads more stable at speed compared to 16".

So, 20" wheels is a good feature.

This looks similar to a Kent folder I had, but with better components. I didn't like the rear suspection, as it seemed to suck up a lot of my pedaling energy. But it seems that you can adjust it to be pretty firm, and that will help offset the bumpy ride from the smaller wheels.

The front fender doesn't extend down far enough. It will keep debris out of your face, but it won't help with your pants, feet, and chain.

The biggest weakness of my Dahon is the plastic pedals. It's not that they're plastic, it's that they're mushy and springy-feeling. I feel like if I stand up and pump, they're going to fold on me and cause me to crash. I'd budget money to replace them with folding metal pedals if I were you.

I like the integrated rack.

The seatpost, on account of the suspension, doesn't have a lot of height adjustment, which will put you in a position where you won't get anywhere near full leg extension, which in turn will slow you down a LOT. Dahons, and probably others too, have very long, large diameter seat posts so the rider can still get full or nearly full leg extension.

Does it come with a bag? If not, budget for that too, because you'll want one. Around here, the commuter trains require folding bikes to be bagged, and it also helps keep your clothes clean when carrying them.

The seller seems good though, as he takes the time to post here.

But I would go with a model with a long seat post and no suspension, if I were you.
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I just clicked on a forum ad for Citizen folders. See how that one has the front fender extending all the way down, and also has a mud flap? That's pure gold when the ground is wet. Also, the sprung saddle is vastly preferable to rear suspension on a road bike, IMO.
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Thanks a ton Pinigis, when you say the crank cover is plastic do you mean they spider, or only the part that protects your pants from the chain. Also, as you mentioned that the front fork is not adjustable, how would you describe the feel of the Cricket if I were to be standing up on the pedals climbing up a hill?
The Crankarms are aluminum, the chainring is steel, and the part that protects your pants from the chain are plastic. I am not sure how to describe the feel of the Cricket when standing up on the pedals while assending a hill, but it is similar to the the feel of standing while riding the stationary bikes at the gym (if that makes any sense).
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I think its beautiful! But, I am biased...
One thing you might do is loan a Cricket and a Crane to a "third party" so that they can review the bikes (photos and write-up). I'm sure you're an honest person, but getting the pov of an objective person helps to build credibility for any emerging brand.
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One thing you might do is loan a Cricket and a Crane to a "third party" so that they can review the bikes (photos and write-up). I'm sure you're an honest person, but getting the pov of an objective person helps to build credibility for any emerging brand.
I am in the process of doing that now. I am awaiting two reivews that will hopefully come in this week.
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One thing you might do is loan a Cricket and a Crane to a "third party" so that they can review the bikes (photos and write-up). I'm sure you're an honest person, but getting the pov of an objective person helps to build credibility for any emerging brand.
Joseph, ask and you shall recieve. I actually got the first of the reviews that I was expecting today. Here it is:

I have been researching folding bikes on the Internet for quite a while.
There are lots of choices, but am really glad I discovered the Origami
Bicycle Co. I am very happy with my purchase of the Cricket. I could not
find a better value anywhere on the net with similar features. The Cricket
has front-fork shock absorbers, a shock absorber on the articulating frame,
front and rear disc brakes, fenders, and a carry rack - all standard. WOW!
Small Bike - Big Value. The beautiful fit and finish exceeded my
expectations for a bike under $400. The ride is smooth and comfortable for a
folding bike, fun to ride, and now I can take it with me everywhere I go. I
like the idea of popping it out of the trunk or RV and going for a ride at
any time. I had some trouble with the computer I purchased with my bike,
but Paul was quick to resolve the problem and make things right. Thanks for
the great product and service. I will highly recommend an Origami Bicycle
to my friends.

Thanks for everything,

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Pinigis, great price but you are killing me with the shipping, I live in VA, can't a brother get a discount on shipping since I also get the tax, i'm 3hrs away!
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Joseph, ask and you shall recieve. I actually got the first of the reviews that I was expecting today. Here it is:
@Pinigis - I'd first like to say thank you for being so responsive...its much appreciated and lets potential buyers know that you are customer service oriented. Now if I may offer a slight "critique" of this first review, it would be to say that this is more of a testimonial rather than a review. Ideally, you want someone to post a detailed review on his/her blog to include pix, vids, and perhaps a pros/con section (no bike can excel at everything).

Here's a good example for the Downtube Nova: http://ozarksbiketrails.com/index.ph...161&Itemid=161

I hope you find this feedback helpful and not insulting b/c it is most definitely not intended to offend you. The more you get people talking about the Origami brand, the more you'll learn the market, and the better you'll be at tweaking future generations of your bikes.
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@Pinigis - I'd first like to say thank you for being so responsive...its much appreciated and lets potential buyers know that you are customer service oriented. Now if I may offer a slight "critique" of this first review, it would be to say that this is more of a testimonial rather than a review. Ideally, you want someone to post a detailed review on his/her blog to include pix, vids, and perhaps a pros/con section (no bike can excel at everything).

Here's a good example for the Downtube Nova: http://ozarksbiketrails.com/index.ph...161&Itemid=161

I hope you find this feedback helpful and not insulting b/c it is most definitely not intended to offend you. The more you get people talking about the Origami brand, the more you'll learn the market, and the better you'll be at tweaking future generations of your bikes.
Joseph - I appreciate the feedback. It is more of a testimonial, but I can only share what is given to me. I will post this, and any other testimonials/reviews on our website as well.
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Pinigis, great price but you are killing me with the shipping, I live in VA, can't a brother get a discount on shipping since I also get the tax, i'm 3hrs away!
Yes, I can work with you on shipping. Just email me at paul@origamibicycles.com
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Here's a good example for the Downtube Nova: http://ozarksbiketrails.com/index.ph...161&Itemid=161
Interesting, the Nova main hinge shown in the video is very different from the one we have and the one on Downtube's site.

Edit: yes, the review mentions 'new upgraded hinge'. It still seems to have a sticker similar to the Dahon hologram on the older Novas though its hard to see the details in that Video.

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Does anyone know what hinge we would get if we ordered a DT Nova today? The dahon one (horizontal) or the "new" one (vertical)?
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