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Old 05-09-12, 08:50 AM   #1
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Big Apple alternative

Long story short I ordered Tioga Powerband to try on the rear but ended up putting in up front first (it's a front specific tire but I think it'll work on the rear quite well). Originally, I had a generic Kenda 20x1.5. The Powerband, 20x1.85, is much taller adding about .5" to diameter and (only) 5mm wider (43mm on 17.5c rim). At 345g +25g liner it's still lighter than Kenda and about 165grams lighter than the Big Apple (and $15 cheaper).

The result so far has been nothing but positive. Powerband rides so much smoother with a lot less vibrations at the handlebar, it seems to be rolling easier, and it definitively offers more grip while braking - especially in wet conditions. Bottom line, no more rattle while riding over sidewalk or over small holes in the road.

Puncture resistance remains unknown, but with added panaracer kevlar felt liner, wider footprint and low psi I hope it'll perform. If punctures do happen, with 190g advantage, I'll try using thorn resistant tube as a plan B

Here's the link to tires profile: Powerband
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Long story short I ordered Tioga Powerband ...
Excellent. I have not needed tires in a while, but given Tioga's history with the Tioga Comp Pool I've had my eye on these.

They are listed at Dans Comp ...

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I actually got the wire bead version (65TPI): Powerband

The S-spec is aramid bead and tightly woven but being 50g lighter I suspect that it has less rubber which might not be optimal (my theory).

PS.: Tioga's website appears to confirm my guess:

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"Please be aware that in some cases, S-SPEC's higher performance levels are achieved at the
expense of some product durability. If product durability is most important, Tioga's standard
products offer exceptional performance values. "

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Old 05-10-12, 04:42 AM   #4
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Excellent. I have not needed tires in a while, but given Tioga's history with the Tioga Comp Pool I've had my eye on these.

They are listed at Dans Comp ...

Power Block
Power Band
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What is your experience with tires? I'm little bit unsure now about running Powerband on the rear since the wall is flexible and I'm looking for possible alternatives (so far I like Maxxis DTH, Grifter or Tioga Powerblock/Streetblock). Powerblock however might be even softer than Powerband since front tires are supposed to have stiffer walls I believe.



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I've been running a Maxxis Grifter 1.85 on the rear of my Dahon for about 3 years. It's been fine, hardly shows any wear (though my mileage isn't particularly high). I switched out a Big Apple for the Grifter as the BA was very heavy (way heavier than stated).
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Excellent. I have not needed tires in a while, but given Tioga's history with the Tioga Comp Pool I've had my eye on these.
Do ZTioga still do the Comp Pool? I have noted the Greenspeed Scorcher has identical looks, of a smooth surface with little dimples here and there which I take to be wear indicators, dunno what other purpose they could have. So I thought perhaps Greenspeed bought the Comp Pool equipment and begun their own tyre that way.
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Any notions as to where the Tioga Street Block falls, among the other Tiogas and/or the Big Apples?

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I think the weights from Schwalbe are mor realistic with the new lighter Performance Big Apples here is what I could find :


Big Apple tire, 20 x 2.00
Color: Black

Performance Liteskin, Kevlar MB - MB-Belt - Endurance High-quality puncture protection made from natural rubber and Kevlar fibers. Tread:Black Sidewall:Black Skin with Reflex Line

Tread HS 430, 535 grams, 30 - 70 lbs pressure, ETRTO 50-406
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Big Apple tire, 20 x 2.15
Color: Black

Performance Liteskin, Kevlar MB - MB-Belt - Endurance High-quality puncture protection made from natural rubber and Kevlar fibers. Tread:Black Sidewall:Black Skin with Reflex Line

Tread HS 430, 555 grams, 30 - 70 lbs pressure, ETRTO 55-406
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Any notions as to where the Tioga Street Block, among the other Tiogas and/or the Big Apples?
As you can tell Powerband, Powerblock and Streetblock are very close in construction. I use and really like powerband in front. I've read on one of the BMX forums that Powerblock's wall was too flexible (for tricks). Given that Streetblock is specified for park, changes in construction address the wall stiffness for the most part.

All Tioga tires, including Streetblock, lack puncture protection. Considering that Streetblock's weight is approaching that of BA's, the later is likely a better tire since it offers extra puncture protection and reflective sidewall. Streetblock might be better for folders with panniers however due to higher PSI rating/stiffer wall.

PS.: Perhaps, based on following blog, BA puncture protection is not all that great:

http://changeyourliferideabike.blogs...d-goliath.html
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