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Old 05-30-12, 10:03 AM   #1
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Big and Not So Little...

Thought I would take a few pics of Forrest and the new kid...

Forrest (the Phillip's 20) is non stock and has custom frame angles.











Wonder what would happen if they mated...
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... Wonder what would happen if they mated...
The outcome would depend on their gender.

If the Surly were female, it would either kill/eat Forrest midway through the mating ritual in Instecta Class fashion or Forrest would 'hit it and quit it'... little guys rarely remain with larger women.

If the Surly were male then bystanders would probably turn a hose on the Surly for forcing itself on the petite little Phillips... my neighbors did that when they saw a Lab 'frolic' with a Miniature Poodle.

However, if both bikes were the same sex, they just wouldn't be allowed to marry and have the same civil rights as 'traditional' couples.

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The outcome would depend on their gender.

If the Surly were female, it would either kill/eat Forrest midway through the mating ritual in Instecta Class fashion or Forrest would 'hit it and quit it'... little guys rarely remain with larger women.

If the Surly were male then bystanders would probably turn a hose on the Surly for forcing itself on the petite little Phillips... my neighbors did that when they saw a Lab 'frolic' with a Miniature Poodle.

However, if both bikes were the same sex, they just wouldn't be allowed to marry and have the same civil rights as 'traditional' couples.
I was thinking that I might get a 20 inch wheeled fat bike that folded.

I am already working on a folding extracycle...
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I was thinking that I might get a 20 inch wheeled fat bike that folded.

I am already working on a folding extracycle...
Oh... my mistake.

1) If you're lucky, persistent and don't mind weeding out the undesirables of the litter you could end up with a Honda CT90 (sans motor):


2) The folding xtracycle would probably end up folding to about the size of a conventional bike or have at least three hinges (if you want to reduce the folding size) for the wet noodle level of frame stiffness ( I jest, of course ) But seriously, what is your design idea concerning the folding aspect of such a long wheelbased bike?
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Oh... my mistake.

1) If you're lucky, persistent and don't mind weeding out the undesirables of the litter you could end up with a Honda CT90 (sans motor):


2) The folding xtracycle would probably end up folding to about the size of a conventional bike or have at least three hinges (if you want to reduce the folding size) for the wet noodle level of frame stiffness ( I jest, of course ) But seriously, what is your design idea concerning the folding aspect of such a long wheelbased bike?
Folding to a conventional size is the goal so that the bike can be stored more compactly when it is not in use and it will not be noodly...

Was also considering building up a front power assist for the Pug which would use the front wheel, which is a rear with an SS drive sprocket which is rather convenient.
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The outcome would depend on their gender.

If the Surly were female, it would either kill/eat Forrest midway through the mating ritual in Instecta Class fashion or Forrest would 'hit it and quit it'... little guys rarely remain with larger women.
For good reasons.

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However, if both bikes were the same sex, they just wouldn't be allowed to marry and have the same civil rights as 'traditional' couples.
Depends on which state they live in.

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The result would be like that fat tire ratroded old Dahon somebody posted.

Sixty: Are you going to use a extracycle or make a longtail the DIY way? Would you start with a R20 (asking since the fold is a bit zig-zagy) or a folder with a more common type fold? I am aking to start my detatchable longtail but had to do the brakes on my car first.
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The result would be like that fat tire ratroded old Dahon somebody posted.

Sixty: Are you going to use a extracycle or make a longtail the DIY way? Would you start with a R20 (asking since the fold is a bit zig-zagy) or a folder with a more common type fold? I am aking to start my detatchable longtail but had to do the brakes on my car first.
Will be building it up myself and will be using another Phillip's 20 that was given to me... I will be firing up the torch for this build.
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Will be building it up myself and will be using another Phillip's 20 that was given to me... I will be firing up the torch for this build.
Hmm.. Need to pull out the bikestuff tomorrow to beat you to it I guess . We`ll see. Got two solutions in mind. Just got hold of another 20" rear triangle from a "full suspension" childrens bike. Think I`ll post about in the utiliti forum.

Could you plse tell me about the rear der on Forrest? I have a 20" folder that came with a MTB type rear der. Switched it for another one but still big. I use only one front chainring on that bike so a medium reach would be enough. They should make der hangers suited for using a MTB der on a folder, a twisted version of this http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/shimano-r...-bolt-prod406/
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Hmm.. Need to pull out the bikestuff tomorrow to beat you to it I guess . We`ll see. Got two solutions in mind. Just got hold of another 20" rear triangle from a "full suspension" childrens bike. Think I`ll post about in the utiliti forum.

Could you plse tell me about the rear der on Forrest? I have a 20" folder that came with a MTB type rear der. Switched it for another one but still big. I use only one front chainring on that bike so a medium reach would be enough. They should make der hangers suited for using a MTB der on a folder, a twisted version of this http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/shimano-r...-bolt-prod406/
The rear derailleur is a SRAM X7... despite my love for vintage parts there aren't many derailleurs that can handle the range of the bike this well. With my touring block installed I am running a 12-30 7 speed and the chain rings are 40/48/53 and can wrap up that 53/30 and still have leftover capacity and the chain wrap at the bottom end could not be any better.

The new rear triangle has proper drop outs and a hangar as well as cable guides, new V brake bosses, and threaded bridges with for clean fender mounting.

Last night I rode through the river valley and was bombing descents at 50 kmh and was climbing 12% + grades like they were not there and this is with one leg that does not participate fully... one climb out of the valley is 2km long with a grade of 10% - 12%.

In my bailout gear of 24 gear inches... for demonstration.



My new 7 speed Ultra block... built this up from my cog board and went with 5 closely spaced gears with two lower steps instead of running a tighter 6 with a huge step to the bailout. Even off the middle 48 I can get down to 30 gear inches which will get me up any normal grade here.



Climbed this... short but steep and covered in pea gravel over hard pack... it was too easy.



Coming down was a little trickier...

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The combination of the SRAM X7 and Suntour friction barcons is like a match made in heaven... the X series has a light but very precise action and I had to re-learn how to shift as I am used to having a little more resistance on these shifters.

It is as good as running indexed and the barcon allows you to cover the entire block in a single light movement of the shifter.
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The new rear triangle has proper drop outs and a hangar as well as cable guides, new V brake bosses, and threaded bridges with for clean fender mounting.

I have seen most of the details already (apart from the threaded bridges), this bike is droolworthy! Thank you for your description!

My der folder has a 46 in the front and I think a 12-? 8 speed casette. I mainly ride with the dog and almost always with a trailer and my legs are not strong enough for bigger chainrings.

I am working again on the two 70`s detatchable 20" bikes. Had some braze ons made to atatch Surly cable hangers so I can use a http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-cab...each-prod8560/ to split or connect the cable for a Nexus7 w coaster brake like Bruce did on a Moulton.

Just laced up a rollerbrake wheel for the front. This is not a speed machine but a detatchable bombproof "shopper", travel and/or utility bike. The other one is getting the same treatment but stretched to a longtail.
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