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    I Hope Sheldon Brown Would Approve... My Phillip's 20 project.

    This little adventure started in 2007 when this ragged little Phillip's 20 came home with me and I really started looking at and reading about Sheldon Brown's love affair he had with these quirky little English bicycles.



    For quite some time the little spent his life as a fixed gear...



    Then I decided to set him on fire and beat him with a hammer... and add some gears.



    It has been quite the journey and if there is a heaven and Sheldon is looking down I hope he knows this is his fault and that he would approve.



    I have a few little details to address like fenders, need to build a low rider rack and a lighting bar and more than anything... I am looking forward to the next 5 years and the 5 after that as I know we have more adventures ahead of us.

    I have "nicer" bikes but few have ever put such a smile on my face as this one... I have lost track of how many happy miles we have shared.

    Forrest - 1973 Phillip's 20 Custom Touring Bicycle
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    That is so nice. have you considered wood fenders? I am looking at getting the chop chort for my Dawes.
    http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/i...ort=20a&page=3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynocoaster View Post
    That is so nice. have you considered wood fenders? I am looking at getting the chop chort for my Dawes.
    http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/i...ort=20a&page=3
    I considered and am reconsidering getting the stock fenders re-done... they are steel and a t***** heavy but they can take a beating but will match up beautifully and then I can add a white tail and a vintage Raleigh reflector.

    That... or I will go the other way and go with lighter modern fenders to keep the bike weight down as it does have to meet weight limits if I pack it up and travel by plane.

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    Great 'journey'

    I'm intrigued ... what's going on with that burnt paint in the middle pic ? it looks like tempered steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Human_Amplifier View Post
    Great 'journey'

    I'm intrigued ... what's going on with that burnt paint in the middle pic ? it looks like tempered steel.
    I added bottle braze ons there... knowing that the frame was going to get powder coated was not concerned with the paint getting a little warm and also repaired the hinge bolt as I had to braze in a new upper sleeve.

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    Great bike sixty! Tell us about the fork!
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    WOW! Impressive. It's amazing how those bikes look very close to the Bike Friday folder costing much more! All you have to do is powercoat the bike, replace the drive train, wheels and tires and you have bike costing over 1K today for about half that price. Good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
    WOW! Impressive. It's amazing how those bikes look very close to the Bike Friday folder costing much more! All you have to do is powercoat the bike, replace the drive train, wheels and tires and you have bike costing over 1K today for about half that price. Good job.
    I started by replacing the drive train and built new wheels and then took things a little farther by rebuilding the bicycle with new longer stays and a new fork.

    I salvaged the Tange stays, Suntour dropouts, and Tange fork from a wrecked Nishiki International that had been cut in half through the middle... rebuilt the fork to accommodate a 20 inch wheel with suspension correction, (in case I go that way), and because it fit with the improved geometry of the frame.

    It stands a little taller, is a little longer in the rear, and handles incredibly well.

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    I have an image of Sheldon looking down at us and smiling benevolently at our machinations. Well done, 65er, keep up the good work.

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    So what's the wheelbase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jur View Post
    So what's the wheelbase?
    40.5 inches from axle nut to axle nut... this is with the rear wheel backed into the dropout.

    My 1974 Raleigh 20 is 40 inches which is a pretty standard wheelbase and what makes the 20 such a nice ride.

    Comparing 20's is hard as there are small variances between models and years... have found the British versions with 451 wheels to often have a touch longer wheelbase than the export versions with their 406 wheels.

    Biggest difference between the bikes is that the P20 is nearly 2 inches longer in the rear than the Raleigh 20 which offers me better heel clearance for my touring panniers, the bottom bracket height 11 inches to center and I have 4 3/4 inches of pedal clearance compared to almost 4 on the stock 20... and I am running 175mm cranks which are 10mm longer than the stock cranks on a 20.

    Will be posting up some precise measurements on my blog.

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    I knew the man ..... I can assure you that he is smiling and in full aproval of that bike.....
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    Now in color. Again.

    Very sharp, 65! I imagine the rear end was actually a bigger project, but Badmother is right- something about that chopped off Nishiki fork really gives me a smile

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    Tidy job there Boyo!
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    Now this is a proper thread! So many 'I'm a 545Lb Clydesdale... help me choose a new Tern..." blah threads these days
    Phenominal job with the rear stays. Wish I had the steel cahoneys to do such a thing! And the burnt orange is sweet!

    I'll just place this here... On-going rebuild of MY Twenny. I'm going for the 'skinny' road deal this time.

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    The powder work is rather awesome as in the shade the bike looks browner... and "burnt orange" describes the colour very well.



    Hit it with some full sun and it turns orange...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    ... I have "nicer" bikes but few have ever put such a smile on my face as this one... I have lost track of how many happy smiles we have shared...
    Fixed it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dynocoaster View Post
    That is so nice. have you considered wood fenders?..
    YES! Wooden fenders are such a classy touch! I'm under the impression that you'll have no problems laminating a set of your own.

    Quote Originally Posted by brakemeister View Post
    I knew the man ..... I can assure you that he is smiling and in full aproval of that bike...
    As did I although that was back in the 80's but I agree, he's smiling and probably itching to take it out for a spin.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePixel View Post
    Thanks for the porn! (You too Sixty Fiver)
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassNotBass View Post
    Fixed it for you.

    YES! Wooden fenders are such a classy touch! I'm under the impression that you'll have no problems laminating a set of your own.

    As did I although that was back in the 80's but I agree, he's smiling and probably itching to take it out for a spin.
    I owe a lot to this great man that I never got the chance to meet... did correspond with him on a number of things and for a time we passed each other here and we both shared a love of Twentys, Biopace, and general bike nerdy-ness.

    Also owe a lot to my partner and mentor for the excellent instruction on frame building and brazing and he did a stellar job of prepping and powder coating the frame.

    One of my next customization projects will be to turn a Raleigh Twenty into a custom built, folding extra-bike but before that I have top put some final touches on our tandem which I purchased from the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePixel View Post
    Now this is a proper thread! So many 'I'm a 545Lb Clydesdale... help me choose a new Tern..." blah threads these days
    Phenominal job with the rear stays. Wish I had the steel cahoneys to do such a thing! And the burnt orange is sweet!

    I'll just place this here... On-going rebuild of MY Twenny. I'm going for the 'skinny' road deal this time.
    That is going to be great... cannot say how nice it was to have made the decision to replace the rear stays on my P20 so I could enjoy a little extra wheelbase and have proper drop outs and guides for the wheel and drive. I was lucky to have found a donor with some high quality stays and fork.

    When it comes to skinnier and faster I have a Moulten and a Dawes Kingpin on my to do list... the Moulten will be a proper British bike with an SA 5 speed hub instead of it's original 4 speed and the Dawes will get a Campagnolo group as the 451 wheels and the right crank / chainwheel set up will yield a nice road range with a derailleur gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I have "nicer" bikes but few have ever put such a smile on my face as this one... I have lost track of how many happy miles we have shared.
    I can see why! This is one of those bikes for which just looking at it invokes a desire to ride -- and it isn't even mine. It really is quite beautiful and somehow looks eager for adventure. Very nice job.

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    Haha I also have Kingpins and Moultons (all types - minis, mk 1s/ mk 3s / pylons) in my 'must get one and do something cool to it' list...

    Really interested in how you did the stays - it looks like they are still 'original' where they meet the seat-tube - so did you do some kind of ninja fluting or something to braze the new to the old (kinda like Rose hybriding

    Mine is hopefully going to have new bridges brazed on so I can have brakes on the chain not seat stays for a cleaner look. I could do with some new dropouts too but not having the brazing chops it seems a little out my league for now.

    Twenty's seem to be able to handle all manner of messing with the geometry. My 'other' non folding* one has 24" [ERTRO 520] wheels and forks and it's a beauty to ride.

    (*Also needs bridges brazing

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePixel View Post
    Haha I also have Kingpins and Moultons (all types - minis, mk 1s/ mk 3s / pylons) in my 'must get one and do something cool to it' list...

    Really interested in how you did the stays - it looks like they are still 'original' where they meet the seat-tube - so did you do some kind of ninja fluting or something to braze the new to the old (kinda like Rose hybriding

    Mine is hopefully going to have new bridges brazed on so I can have brakes on the chain not seat stays for a cleaner look. I could do with some new dropouts too but not having the brazing chops it seems a little out my league for now.

    Twenty's seem to be able to handle all manner of messing with the geometry. My 'other' non folding* one has 24" [ERTRO 520] wheels and forks and it's a beauty to ride.

    (*Also needs bridges brazing
    If you look really close you can see where the seat stays were joined...

    I cut off the rear stays but left a few inches remaining and joined the new stays to those by using an internal chromoly sleeve which essentially turns it into a lugged joint.

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    Been away little pixel?
    Seen EVilv lately?
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    @bhklyte I just check in less than I used to (probably something to do with RSS feeds and Google reader). Haven't seen EvilV...not since SesameCrunch's epic trip from SF for his Moulton a few years back...

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