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    Roof top mounts for Dahon or Citizen bikes and Which bike to get?

    I know this sounds dumb but please bare with me. Wife and I have decide to buy 2 folding bikes for weekend and camping trips. We do a lot of camping trips in summer and fall. However, we only have a small car. Especially if we are going for a 7 days camping. Our 5 door Subaru imprezza would be full of gears and stuff(Truck and Rear seats). The only way to jam the 2 folding bikes into our car will be a roof top mount. So, I know most of you properly won't use a roof top rack. However, does anyone know whether these folding bikes (such as Dahon or Citizen) will mount on a roof top rack? If it does, what brand and model?

    Second Question

    We are currently looking for 2 bikes, Dahon D7 2012 and Citizen GOTHAM2. Since my wife is not a very good bike rider, I have the intention to give her a better bike to boast her confidence. Which bike is better?

    I am 5ft 11 weight 230 pounds and my wife is 5ft weight 130 pounds. I want to make sure both of these will fit us and interchangeable.

    In addition, if anyone have other suggestion that will fit our needs and budget. Please feel free to jam in.

    Thanks in advance guys. Already excited before I even own a folding bikes lol

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    Can I ask why you've chosen folding bikes? If you're mounting on the exterior of your car anyway, I'd just as soon go with a "normal" bike. If there are other reasons why you'd like a folder then never mind. As for transporting folders, I would get a roof top box to put your other luggage in, so that the folders could reside in the car interior. This is how I travel with my folders and it is nice to keep everything out of the weather. In fact, one of the main purposes my folder serves is as a shuttle bike for kakaying. It is perfect because of its ability to not monopolize roof top space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbface View Post
    ... We are currently looking for 2 bikes, Dahon D7 2012 and Citizen GOTHAM2. ...
    Where are you located? For USA Dahons, "D7" designates an equipment level. Currently, there are four USA Dahon models with the D7 designation - the Speed D7, the Mariner D7, the Vitesse D7 HG and the Briza D7. The Briza D7 has 24" tires, so I assume you are not referring to a Briza D7. The Speed D7 has a chromoly steel frame with 20" tires. The Mariner D7 and the Vitesse D7 HG have aluminum frames with 20" tires. The maximum weight spec for all four of the Dahons is 230 pounds.

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    Nightdiver

    The reason why we chose a folding bikes is we live in apartment. Storing a bike is really a concern for us especially if we are going to have 2. I guess the folding bikes are the only option. I like the idea to have a roof top box. However, wife would like to put the bikes on the roof instead of her belongs :-)


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    Initially, we are looking for the Speed D7. what are the major difference between the Mariner D7, the Vitesse D7 HG and the Speed? Sorry, I am fairly new to the bikes. I only had a BMX when I was a little kid. So, I really don' t know all these difference in between gears. But, I will use the bike to get around camp site, grocery shopping and get to metro station daily (only 2 miles). Thx in advance.

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    The difference between the Speed D7 and Mariner D7 are only the frame, which is chromoly for the Speed and aluminum for the Mariner. The parts are all basically the same. The Vitesse has the same basic frame as the Mariner (aluminum), but instead of a rear derailleur, has a 7-speed internally geared hub.

    As for a roof mount solution, I can't help. All the roof trays I can think of are designed for more "normal" bikes. IE, the fork mounts are for 100 OLD (spacing of the front fork) forks, whereas the Dahons have a 74 OLD, and the type that support via the frame are designed for tubes that are a certain distance from the bottom of the wheel.

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    I would get a roof box that the bikes would fit into like the Yakima Rocket box and this way it could be used for other things also. I would first make sure two folded bikes fit in it. Sears also sells a roof top box made by Thule.
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    My husband has a Dahon Speed D7 and I have a Citizen Tokyo. If I had my druthers, I would also have a Dahon. But since we are both getting pay cuts in the fall, we went with inexpensive for me, and least expensive bike rated for a 6'4" person for him. His bike has better gearing.

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    Thx all for the great info. For the citizen bike, I guess I can not really test drive it, but based on all the review on the board. I guess I will take my chances, since it is so cheap. For the Dahon Speed D7, I am going to test drive it over at REI and see whether it will us or not. In addition, it seems like the price for Dahon speed D7 is standard $549 everywhere, anyone knows a local Metro DC bike shop can beat that price, or any reliable online shop can do it cheaper? I like to buy it online cos there are no tax. However, I never buy a bike online before. Any suggestions?

    For the bike rack, I found this from Yakima that might work

    http://www.yakima.com/shop/bike/top/frontloader

    Thx guys

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    Check out Craigslist for a used Yakima rack. for a online bike shop Thor is regular here.
    http://www.thorusa.com/
    call Thor to see if he has any unadvertised deal.
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    Yakima Basket ,it goes between the rails, then you just strap down the folded up bike.

    along with the duffle bags and tent and all that, up there..

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    I also vote for rooftop box. I have this Rocketbox and plan to put my Brompton in it for my August trip. http://www.yakima.com/shop/cargo/roc...cketbox-pro-12

    I'm sure you could put at least one of the bikes in there, maybe two if you tetris-ed them in carefully (or not...the box lid is sloped)...then the rest of the box space can be used for your non-back seat essentials like tent, chairs, etc.
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    We were able to get hubbies' Dahon on sale at REI, $466 and free shipping because we picked it up at the store. Not sure if it is still on sale, bought it around Memorial Day.

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    The best plan, as others have suggested, is to get a rooftop bag or box. The bikes will fit in nicely, if you want them on the roof...as will additional camping gear. Or you can keep the bikes in the car and fill up the rooftop carrier.

    An empty rooftop bag will fit in a closet or under a bed, which might be useful.

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    We went to REI yesterday and check out some bikes. The only foldies they had was the Tern link C7 and D8. Oh boy! Went out on a test drive and already fell in love with it. Initially we were not considering the Tern D8. My questions is what's the difference between the Tern D8 and the Dahon speed D7. The specs looks almost the same except the D8 has an 8 speed. We haven't test drive the Dahon yet, so I really can't tell the difference. However, during the test drive, the handle bar start to fold down all by itself. Does it happen often to foldies? I mean I gotta admit, I should have checked all the folding joint before the test drive. So if you have to pick the Dahon Speed D7 or the tern link D8, which one will you guys pick?

    Btw, we were able to put two foldies in one of the Yakima roof top box. Thanks for all the great advice. :-)

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    Folders are good when traveling w small car. I remember we had to stay (free) in a hotel becouse football hooligans swarmed the camping site and my son was wery young so I decided not to stay. We hat two detatchable bikes on a rear rack and was able to put them inside the car in our seats and thereby saved money for a safer parking (or bringing the bikes innside the hotel).

    I had problems fitting my 20" folder innside my Thule box last time I tryed but I can put several Bromptons or lots of camping gear in it and the rest in the car. This is great to reduce wind resistance and theft.

    Good thing about folders on the roof instead of big bikes is lower center of gravity (fold down the handlebar and seat) so less strain on wheels and rack and I would guess windresistance).

    I suggest hubgears if you can choose and I also suggest that the wheels/components can be swapped between the bikes in an emergency. Standard parts helped me repair my bike on a campingtrip (no car) last year, I found a childrens 20" bike at the campingsites dumpster and was able to keep my bike going for the rest of the trip using a wheel and shifter from that bike. This is mainly an issue if you later go touring with the bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbface View Post
    We went to REI yesterday and check out some bikes... However, during the test drive, the handle bar start to fold down all by itself. Does it happen often to foldies? I mean I gotta admit, I should have checked all the folding joint before the test drive.
    This should never happen to a properly setup bike. I'll guess that either you didn't latch the handlepost hinge, or (more likely) that REI didn't assemble and adjust the bike properly. Their mechanics have a hard enough time on standard bike parts, let alone proprietary pieces like hinge mechanisms.

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    get dahon bikes and as what have been said here, call THOR (thorusa.com) before you settle for something else. one thing to consider in buying a folding bike especially since you're planning on putting it on your car roof is the bike's weight. citizen bikes are heavy and slow.

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    Finally, test rode the Dahon Speed D7 Tern D8 and also the Brezzer Zig 7.


    Dahon Speed D7:
    Pros: $50 bucks cheaper then the Tern D8.
    Adjustable Handle bar height
    Cons: Folding mechanism compare to Tern
    Steal Frame


    Breezer Zig 7:
    Pros: $50 bucks cheaper than the Dahon Speed D7(without the rear rack)
    Lightest among the Dahon speed D7 and Tern link D8
    Shift smoother than Dahon
    Adjustable handle bar height
    Cons: Not as sexier than the Tern.


    Tern Link D8
    Pros: Best folding mechanism with large hinges
    Best gear ratio and very smooth shifting.
    Cons: $50 bucks more than the Dahon speed D7 (the most expensive bike among the 3)
    Non-adjustable handle bar height.


    I honestly, thinks the Breezer is the most bang of your buck bike. Tern is the nicest among the 3 but comes with a hefty price. Dahon fits right in the middle of the 3. Very tough decision. What do you guys think?

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    Tern D8 because of the hinges and Schwable tires.
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    The Tern C7 would be the bike to compare to the Dahon D7
    http://www.thorusa.com/tern/linkc7.htm

    Thors prices include shipping.
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