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    My contribution.

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    Royce hub in the rear (fixed) and old dura ace in front. Despite having read the reviews I am surprised and really impressed by the ride.

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    Despite reading reviews you were surprised? You mean that it looks good on paper but is even better when trying out for yourself?

    I am always so impressed with mine, have had it for years now but it never fails to impress me. Just a week ago I had a go on a friend's Cervelo S2, and would you know, I can't honestly say it rides any better than my Swift!! (It isn't worse either.) I could not really detect any improvement. Perhaps the difference comes out when you press the machine to its limits. It is lighter by a few kgs though.
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    Well, yes, having used a Dahon (speed-pro) for the last 3 years I simply couldn't believe that a folder could be that stiff and have such a nice ride but I cannot feel any difference compared to my full-sized bikes (set-up similarly).

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    It seems like a lifetime since I was able to ride my Swift! Here we are on 24th January and it was early November of last year when I was able to spin the pedals. Over the past three months I have been working 6 days a week, battling deep snow and ice and fighting off the flu, so my Swift has been neglected. Actually that is not quite true as I did manage to fit a new chainset. I was lucky to find an on-line dealer with a half price FSA chainset among its deals. FSA are a British firm (Full Speed Ahead) but the chainset came in a bag with "Taiwan" printed all over it! Close inspection revealed a quality product made up of a 46 tooth chainwheel and 170mm cranks. It was designed to fit a square taper bottom bracket and slips onto the standard Shimano BB without problem. Chainline looks fine although my short 10 mile ride today was fairly flat so I could not try the top and bottom cogs. One thing is clear; after being sidelined for three months I am totally out of condition. It will take several more rides before I am in any position to tackle gradients and try out the gear changing for real. I just hope the weather and my health continues to improve.SSCN4754.JPGSSCN4755.JPG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Braithwait View Post
    It seems like a lifetime since I was able to ride my Swift!
    Glad that you're back on the bike!

    Paul, you should write a web page documenting all the versions of your Swift folder along with the motivation for each change. You've tried out so much stuff that it would be informative. I suspect that it gets lost in this mammoth thread.

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    probably an old question, but has anyone put disc brakes on a Swift? I'm assuming it required a new fork up front...
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    Just ordered Swift

    My first post here. Just ordered a silver Swift. Absolute nightmare to find a place in the UK to order one from. The dealers in the UK that previoulsy stocked the Swift (Avon Cycles and Spa Cycles) no longer do, because of the USD/GBP exchange rate apparently making it too expensive to import. Anyway I ordered one from a dealer in Germany yesterday, and yes it was expensive compared to the US advertised price, in fact it was in Brompton pricing territory.

    Looking forward to the first ride, hopefully in a week's time. Laters.

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    Last weekend I took part in the biggest annual audax brevet, the Australian Audax Alpine Classic, 200km with 4000m of climbing. I got my Swift 3 years ago (4 years?). What a superb machine it remains! It descends like a bullet. Very stable. Here's a pic of me carving a corner:



    Moments later a chap on a stainless steel Moulton passed through:
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    I had just overtaken him.
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    Ok, what do you think about this?
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    Yes, it is a new-style Swift steel frame. The hub is a Fichtel&Sachs Duomatic.
    I'm not sure about the handle bars, they look a bit stupid but I didn't have a proper stem at hand. I will find better handlebars soon.

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    Chainring looks way bigger than my 62t.. what's the gear inches on your ride? .. good choice for a hub.. Duomatics are cool!

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    it's a 68T chainring and a 19T on the duomatic. so the ratio is 4.9 and 6.7. didn't testride yet. also I'm curious if it feels ok to ride without a front break, only the back pedal break. I'd need a different fork or larger wheels to get a decent front break on there...

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    I didn't know these new style Swifts were in the wild. I thought these remained a prototype only.
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    actually it is a prototype. it's the same frame that is on the pictures on the forums. i was asking peter reich to sell it to me back in 2005 or 2006 or so but he still needed the frame for testing. So I sent an email about every year and was very lucky at last.
    I also have my standard (black) steel swift with the same wheel size and will be able to give a detailed report about the differences in handling and riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zepi View Post
    it's a 68T chainring and a 19T on the duomatic. so the ratio is 4.9 and 6.7. didn't testride yet. also I'm curious if it feels ok to ride without a front break, only the back pedal break. I'd need a different fork or larger wheels to get a decent front break on there...
    You must be pretty fit .. a 66/91 gear inch figure is fairly tall for a 2 spd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceMetras View Post
    You must be pretty fit .. a 66/91 gear inch figure is fairly tall for a 2 spd.

    my fixed gear swift with the same wheel size is 13/53 which is 5.6 gain ratio. I tested around with that alot and find this the perfect ratio for this bike. I didn't test the setup with the duomatic yet but it is even a bit lower on the 1st gear than the fixed gear setup. That should be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zepi View Post
    my fixed gear swift with the same wheel size is 13/53 which is 5.6 gain ratio. I tested around with that alot and find this the perfect ratio for this bike. I didn't test the setup with the duomatic yet but it is even a bit lower on the 1st gear than the fixed gear setup. That should be good.
    I agree with the 5.6 gain ratio for a singlespeed.. good all around ratio... it's that jump to 6.7 that I'm curious about.. post how you like it once you get a few miles on it..

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    From my perspective those ratios would be very good... I live in a hilly area and that's the only reason I do not consider going fixie - the downhills would kill. So having something to pedal against while going downhill is nice.
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    I agree it will be nice on the downhills to have the bigger gear .. I'll still be interested to hear how Zepi likes it once he's ridden it for awhile .. and what type of terrain is most common.. I continue to be enamored with my 2 speed bikes..

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    I just spent 3-4 hours pedaling thru the city on the white swift and I must say I am enthusiastic!
    Generally it rides very very good. With all the steel and the heavy hub the bike is a bit heavy but it still rides very good. I don't mind the weight too much for now. Maybe I'll keep the carbon handle bars to save some weight there.

    Gearing: I'm used to my fixed gear swift on a 5.6 ratio. Now accelerating on the lower 4.9 gear this bike feels like having a motor installed. Then switching to the higher gear feels even more awesome! I will not change anything on the gearing. I love it!
    Breakes: Somehow I didn't miss a front break at all. I was a bit worried first that riding with the back pedal break only would be weird or dangerous. I was prepared to change the fork to get a break on (I even have everything ready) but it wasn't uncomfortable at all, so I'll also keep it like this. I'll just put some classic hooks and straps on the pedals to be a bit more flexible and faster on the break.
    Frame: I'm not completely sure because the handlebars on my other swift are different, however I think the new style frame feels a bit less harsh than the original swift. It is actually more comfortable to ride. Maybe the steeper angles on seat post and chain stays allow a bit more suspension in the steel. Also I think the fork has a bit more curvature. I'm not sure.

    The fold of the frame requires some tools. It is impossible to fit quick releases on the lower clamp. I'll try to simply keep the lower clamp open, maybe this does the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblehand View Post
    Glad that you're back on the bike!

    Paul, you should write a web page documenting all the versions of your Swift folder along with the motivation for each change. You've tried out so much stuff that it would be informative. I suspect that it gets lost in this mammoth thread.
    I know I have posted many times on this thread but my Swift is still pretty much standard stuff - there are many people who have been more adventurous with their customising of the Swift than I have. I've lowered the gearing by swapping out the cassette for a SRAM 8 speed with larger bottom cog and just fitted a smaller chainset. I replaced the flat handlebars for drops and upgraded the V brakes. Other than that, what you have seen on this forum have been to luggage carrying options. I have several bikes and over the years of cycling have accumulated plenty of bike bits. I have tried various pedals, racks, bags and saddles on the Swift by using stuff I already had in the shed. The Swift is my first choice for riding and I use it for day or half day rides of up to 50 miles (generally between 20 - 30 miles). It folds to fit into the back of my small car so I can drive to more distant locations to start and finish rides. A seat pack and bottle carrier are all I need to take along. The racks,bags and pedals have found homes on my other bikes. I love seeing how other riders have adapted their Swifts to suit their requirements. The Swift is such a great bike if I only had room for one bicycle it would have to be the Xootr Swift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Braithwait View Post
    The Swift is such a great bike if I only had room for one bicycle it would have to be the Xootr Swift.
    If I had room for one bike only I would take the Swift and the Moulton and make them fit into the same space.
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    mucky weather and streets are really doing a job on my bike.. need to find better fenders than clip ons. i'm probably going to follow one bike stores suggestion of cutting the stock planet bike fenders in a half and attaching the front half only, and use in combo with clip on. also, my sks fenders are just 1-2 inches short of fully covering splash

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    Quote Originally Posted by nish2575 View Post
    mucky weather and streets are really doing a job on my bike.. need to find better fenders than clip ons. i'm probably going to follow one bike stores suggestion of cutting the stock planet bike fenders in a half and attaching the front half only, and use in combo with clip on. also, my sks fenders are just 1-2 inches short of fully covering splash
    why not just buy these from Xootr? they fit perfectly and work well: http://www.xootr.com/swift-fenders.html
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    Do any of you Swift upgraders have a Swift fork you might be interested in selling? It's all aluminum w/ 1-1/8" threadless aluminum sterrer, right?

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    i already had those (that is what i'm referring to in "stock" fenders above). i kept the ones on the front. on the back, frequent folding cause the stays to come loose often, so gave up that one.

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