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Old 03-29-06, 03:39 PM   #276
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Hello All,

I am the proud owner of a new silver Xootr Swift and so far really love it! Since the most knowledgable and experienced Swift folks seem to post in this thread, I wonder if I might get a question answered. I know that many riders don't like or use kickstands but I really don't want to always have to lean my bike against a nearby vertical object, even if such an object can be found! I've looked at the LBS's and they stock only the generic aluminum Greenfield's that mount in a traditional kickstand plate. There is a crosspiece near the front of the chainstays that has a hole in it (too small for the Greenfield's screw) but it is tubular, not flat, and I don't want to take a chance on crushing or scarring this piece or the tops of the chainstays. Is there a particular kickstand that anyone has tried that fits and works well and looks, how do I say it, not too bad?. Should i look for a rear stay mount, an axle mount, or am I going to have to fabricate something?

I have looked online at the Greenfield SKS2B Stabilizer kickstand <http://www.greenfieldny.com/chart_bicycle.htm#stabilizer>, the Tranz-X Stay Mount Adjustable kickstand <http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking/p/KI2100>, and the Summit Adjustable kickstand <http://www.wilsonbike.com/pdf%20catalog/accessories/2005_accs_kickstand.pdf>. Unfortunately it isn't possible to tell from the pictures and sketchy descriptions whether these will fit. Anyone have an opinion on this?

Thanks in advance for the help!

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Old 03-29-06, 05:16 PM   #277
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Axle-mount is out-of-the-question, unless you have no plans of folding your Swift. Chainstay mount would probably be your best bet, so long as the stand (in retracted position) doesn't extend past the rear wheel and catch the ground when you fold up the bike.

Wav would probably have the best answer for you, since he is the SAK (Swift Accessories King).
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Old 03-29-06, 06:16 PM   #278
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Axle-mount is out-of-the-question, unless you have no plans of folding your Swift. Chainstay mount would probably be your best bet, so long as the stand (in retracted position) doesn't extend past the rear wheel and catch the ground when you fold up the bike.

Wav would probably have the best answer for you, since he is the SAK (Swift Accessories King).

@james_swift: Thanks a lot for the info. Perhaps Wav will drop by soon and offer his thoughts (if he isn't too busy riding!).

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Old 03-29-06, 10:29 PM   #279
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I went with a normal Greenfield aluminum kickstand. I used plastic strips to protect the frame. So far no issues and works well. It mounts just behind the bottom bracket and easily holds my Swift up when the panniers are fully loaded. I used the Stabilizer version on a Dahon. I'll see if I can post a quick pic later. I have been out riding my new Merc and posting a ride report and some photos.
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Old 03-30-06, 08:15 PM   #280
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I went with a normal Greenfield aluminum kickstand. I used plastic strips to protect the frame. So far no issues and works well. It mounts just behind the bottom bracket and easily holds my Swift up when the panniers are fully loaded. I used the Stabilizer version on a Dahon. I'll see if I can post a quick pic later. I have been out riding my new Merc and posting a ride report and some photos.
Thanks, Wav. Any info and all suggestions are most welcome.

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Old 03-30-06, 08:47 PM   #281
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Glad to help. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
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Old 03-31-06, 01:16 AM   #282
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anyone ever put a thudbuster on swift?

I am thinking of purchasing a xtoor swift and putting a thudbuster. However, I noticed that seatpost diameter of swift is 32.9mm. Unfortunately, thudbuster do not make one with that diameter.

Anyone know or ever done this?

Any info adn insight is appreciated!!!

Thanks.
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Old 03-31-06, 07:39 AM   #283
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@bike8usa - Go to the Swift thread here and you will see a Thudbuster on a Swift. As far as I know I was the first person to mount a Thudbuster on a Swift. I have a Brooks Pro seat mounted on it. I also have Big Apple tires on my Swift which everyone said wasn't possible.

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The way to mount the Thudbuster is get a Dahon telescopic seatpost and remove the top part of it. Get a standard 27.2mm Thudbuster and it drops it. Another option is to buy the Dahon specific Thudbuster post but that costs more money.

Hope that helps.
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Old 03-31-06, 11:22 AM   #284
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Thank you for the info.

I guess that the seatpost diameter of a Dahon is 32.9mm as well.

I will look into it.

Thanks again.

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@bike8usa - Go to the Swift thread here and you will see a Thudbuster on a Swift. As far as I know I was the first person to mount a Thudbuster on a Swift. I have a Brooks Pro seat mounted on it. I also have Big Apple tires on my Swift which everyone said wasn't possible.

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The way to mount the Thudbuster is get a Dahon telescopic seatpost and remove the top part of it. Get a standard 27.2mm Thudbuster and it drops it. Another option is to buy the Dahon specific Thudbuster post but that costs more money.

Hope that helps.
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Old 03-31-06, 11:41 AM   #285
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As long as you buy an aluminum framed Xootr or Swift you are fine. The older steel is a different size. You can also go with Big Apple tires if you want a fast but plush tire. Not a Stelvios type fast tire but pretty fast and the best ride of any tire for the Swift!
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Old 04-09-06, 05:50 AM   #286
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New Swift finally arrives!

Thanks again to everybody who has shared valuable insights in the folder section. After deciding that a folding bike was the way to go, armed with your information I ordered a Swift (black with yellow decal), which arrived this last week from Peter. Although cosmetically battered about by UPS, the bike is simple, elegant and beautiful. Taking it out for a short spin yesterday, I can tell that I have a fun summer ahead of me. It is light and nimble but has the feel of a traditional bike. The best part is that I don't have to worry about it being stolen from my garage (a condo that I share with nine others, from which four bikes have been stolen due to collective negligence), or from my terrace, as was my beloved 1982 Trek last summer. I can just bring it inside, fold it up and tuck it under the stairway. I also look forward to throwing it my hatchback and taking rides out of town. Brilliant!
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Thanks again to everybody who has shared valuable insights in the folder section. After deciding that a folding bike was the way to go, armed with your information I ordered a Swift (black with yellow decal), which arrived this last week from Peter. Although cosmetically battered about by UPS, the bike is simple, elegant and beautiful. Taking it out for a short spin yesterday, I can tell that I have a fun summer ahead of me. It is light and nimble but has the feel of a traditional bike. The best part is that I don't have to worry about it being stolen from my garage (a condo that I share with nine others, from which four bikes have been stolen due to collective negligence), or from my terrace, as was my beloved 1982 Trek last summer. I can just bring it inside, fold it up and tuck it under the stairway. I also look forward to throwing it my hatchback and taking rides out of town. Brilliant!
Welcome to the brotherhood of Swift!

I know the feeling...I, too, had a Specialized bike stolen from a terrace in San Francisco after only 10 minutes (unattended bikes go fast here)!

Now don't be alarmed by what I am about to say next...

LET'S SEE THAT BIKE!

I know I speak for the rest of the Swiftazoids here when I say that we love to see pictures of Swifts...can't get enough of them.
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Old 04-09-06, 09:55 PM   #288
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I feel your pain! I recently lived for a few years in SF and had yet another Trek stolen out of my garage when I was on vacation. I'm hoping that the Swift represents the end to all of that.
I've attached a picture. If you look closely you'll see a couple of gouges in the paint which I will fix as soon as I get touchup paint from Peter.
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Old 04-10-06, 02:29 AM   #289
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Swift - 6 month report

Hello everyone,

well, I've been lurking since my previous posts back last Summer, when I first got my swift folder. It's been a horrid winter here in Manchester, England, but I've occasionally braved the cold and rain on the Swift.

And riding it yesterday, I thought it might be useful to give a 6 month appraisal.

In a word - fabulous. This bike is as solid and fast as the day it turned up...it's grown with me as I've got a little fitter. Some key things:

* Keep the tires pumped really high. I've got Primo comets, which are incredibly tough, but need to be kept rock-hard...I've ridden them a few times without bothering to pump them - the difference in ride is extraordinary. A hard tire maximises the responsiveness and ride dynamics.

* Sinking seat-post. Well, user-error to blame here. I'd zealously greased the seatpost, but had obviously whacked too much on, as it would sink during the course of a ride. I've wiped most of it off, and it holds fine.

* A longer handlebar stem/riser. I bought a longer handlebar stem (the horizontal extender bit) which extended my body over the bike. It had the desired effect of stabilising the ride, in fact, it changed the characteristic of the bike significantly...much less 'squirrelly'. But I changed it back to the original - I prefer being more upright, and I like the extra responsiveness from the original geometry.

* Ergon bargrips. I did replace the handlebar grips for the Ergon's. In fact, I chnaged them back again to compare. Ouch. The Ergon's really remove any aching from extended riding, and have nifty little 'horn's that I can hold whilst riding uphill. Highly recommended.

* Nexus 7 speed hub. I'm really pleased with this, although I would prefer a lower (higher?) gearing for going downhill, but it's a minor issue. The simplicity of the design, the ability to change gear at lights, and the lack of a derailleur to whack, is fantastic. The extra weight is far outweighed (sorry, couldn't resist) by the benefits...for a folding bike, it's a no-brainer option (apart from a fixed gear

* Mudguards (fenders?). Hmm, I bought a quick remove mudguard, but it doesn't stop water flipping up the inside part of the wheel. I'm going to track down a semi-circle style mudguard that covers the entire upper surface of the wheel, and has a large flap at the rear to catch any spray. I got soaked yesterday when it started raining, due to the elegant, but ultimately useless quick release half-wheel guard.

* The fold. It's fabulous. Re-defined my ability to cycle - e.g., it started snowing yesterday, so I jumped on a local tram (no bikes allowed) for the last leg home...a folded bike is allowed on trains etc. here. I bought my girlfriend a second-hand Birdy, which folds much smaller, but the fold is so bloody complicated, it takes a good minute or so to figure out the optimal pedal position, which bit of the handlebar should fold first etc. The Swift is such a simple, 5 second fold, which is adequate for most occasions. I've not got tired of folding this bike...the elegance of the design thinking in this bike is making me smile.

* The frame. I've not had issues with the frame. I'm a big guy (228 lbs) and this thing has had me standing on the axle, pushing up hills., riding heavy pot-holded roads and jumping up kerbs. It's immaculate. The folding mechanism is smooth, the frame is as solid as the first day, and the component choice (deore xt levers, lx everything else) of Peter's has proved solid. The only grips is the scuffing of the paint by the cables, when the bike is folded, but that may be trapped grit under the cable housing.

* Parts. I've not needed to buy any (apart from the handlebar and grips), but out of curiosity, been into a couple of bike shops. The use of standard road parts and bmx wheels is a stroke of genius. Tyres, wheels, pedals, handlebars you name it, all available in my bike shop.

In short - this is as close the the perfect bicycle I could have wished for. I've got speed, robustness, and flexibility.

And I'm glad I can take it into stores, restaurants etc. as the amount of admiring looks from kids I get almost guarantees this would get stolen if I locked it up somewhere :-)
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Old 04-17-06, 10:37 PM   #290
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Hello, I just took delivery of a stock Swift (Xootr) and the tires are Kenda with max 65 psi. Calling the company they informed me that the bikes are now equipped with the lower pressure tires due to customers requesting tires for a more 'varied' terrain. I usually ride a Trek road bike with high pressure tires, but am pleasantly surprised that the 65 psi Kendas are plenty fast, and they absorb the bumps well enough that a 'Thudbuster' is not really needed. Other Xootr modifications are longer handlebars (esp the grip with the shifter).

I do need to find a way to carry water...any ideas? flyhi46c
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Old 04-17-06, 10:41 PM   #291
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Just use on of the Minoura mounts for water bottle holder. It clamps on and then you can bolt on the water bottle holder to it. Works great and isn't too expensive.
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Old 04-18-06, 06:07 AM   #292
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Hello, I just took delivery of a stock Swift (Xootr) and the tires are Kenda with max 65 psi. Calling the company they informed me that the bikes are now equipped with the lower pressure tires due to customers requesting tires for a more 'varied' terrain. I usually ride a Trek road bike with high pressure tires, but am pleasantly surprised that the 65 psi Kendas are plenty fast, and they absorb the bumps well enough that a 'Thudbuster' is not really needed. Other Xootr modifications are longer handlebars (esp the grip with the shifter).

I do need to find a way to carry water...any ideas? flyhi46c
That's interesting. When I first got my Swift, I posted on this board about the unusually narrow handlebars and very small grips ("children-sized"), and that the 100psi Kendas give a rather harsh ride in comparison with other high-pressure tires.

I was actually told from a Xootr insider, that they do follow this thread, and from the looks of it, are also proactive about implementing changes in proportion to their customer's concerns. Very nice!

Could you possibly post a picture of the new bar and grips, just as a reference?
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Old 04-18-06, 03:43 PM   #293
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Got a new stem for my Swift. It's a Kalloy "Guizzo". Note the odometer reading (300 of those miles were from my Dahon previously).

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Cold-forged stem plus CNC

Extension ...... 90 mm
Rise ............... -7deg
Barbore ......... 26.0 mm
Diameter ........ 25.4, 28.6 mm
Height ........... 35 mm
Weight .......... 145 grams (105E)
Finish ............ Silver, Black
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Old 04-20-06, 09:03 AM   #295
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Hi Everybody

This is my first post to bikeforums other than my intro. I've been looking for a folding bike - haven't been that thrilled with what I've seen in the bike shops here in Toronto. I am now considering a Swift and one of reasons is the infectious enthusiasm from everyone on this Swift thread. I would never have considered mailordering a bike that I hadn't seen + touched etc. but you guys have convinced me that it is a great riding bike.
I do have some concerns, such as: I am about 5'2" in height and I would probably want to use a Thudbuster seatpost. When I look at pictures of a Swift posted by Cosmodc, whose stated height is aboout the same, I wonder if there is enough clearance. I haven't seen postings by Cosmodc recently, but if you are still around, would you measure the clearance for me? Thudbusters need abou 144 mils. or 5 1/2".
Another concern about size: I want a fairly upright riding position. When I was looking at full sized bikes, even the smaller frames, I always felt too stretched out.
Do you guys ever lock your bikes outside? I know they can be taken inside alot easier because they can fold. But the Swift is not that small a package and without a carrying bag, it could be awkward. If you lock it outside at all it seems to me you would need an Allen bolt instead of a quickrelease on the stem riser. The seatpost you take with you.
Has anyone found a carrying bag that works well with the Swift?
Thanks for your attention and I hope this thread continues. It is a great source of information and inspiration.
P.S. There are some pictures that I've seen on this thread that I can't access anymore especially those posted by Wavshrdr of that great bike. All I get now is a blanc space with a little red x in the corner. I've tried to open it up but nothing happens. Is there anyway I can look at those again.
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This is my first post to bikeforums other than my intro. I've been looking for a folding bike - haven't been that thrilled with what I've seen in the bike shops here in Toronto. I am now considering a Swift and one of reasons is the infectious enthusiasm from everyone on this Swift thread. I would never have considered mailordering a bike that I hadn't seen + touched etc. but you guys have convinced me that it is a great riding bike.
I do have some concerns, such as: I am about 5'2" in height and I would probably want to use a Thudbuster seatpost. When I look at pictures of a Swift posted by Cosmodc, whose stated height is aboout the same, I wonder if there is enough clearance. I haven't seen postings by Cosmodc recently, but if you are still around, would you measure the clearance for me? Thudbusters need abou 144 mils. or 5 1/2".
Another concern about size: I want a fairly upright riding position. When I was looking at full sized bikes, even the smaller frames, I always felt too stretched out.
Do you guys ever lock your bikes outside? I know they can be taken inside alot easier because they can fold. But the Swift is not that small a package and without a carrying bag, it could be awkward. If you lock it outside at all it seems to me you would need an Allen bolt instead of a quickrelease on the stem riser. The seatpost you take with you.
Has anyone found a carrying bag that works well with the Swift?
Thanks for your attention and I hope this thread continues. It is a great source of information and inspiration.
P.S. There are some pictures that I've seen on this thread that I can't access anymore especially those posted by Wavshrdr of that great bike. All I get now is a blanc space with a little red x in the corner. I've tried to open it up but nothing happens. Is there anyway I can look at those again.
I don't think you'll have any issues with stem height. I'm 5'6", and with my saddle raised to 36.5" above the floor, the stempost is just at the same level as the top of the saddle. Add to this the 5-deg rise of the stock 60mm stem, and at your height, the saddle will be well below that of the handlebars. As for stretch, most new owners of Swifts tend to lean towards upgrading to longer stems as opposed to shorter, so again, stretch may not be a problem for you. If you can't get hold of Cosmodc, you can always email Xootr. They've been very responsive to all of my questions, even moreso after the sale.
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Just some finishing touches on my Swift: the new Kalloy stem, and I trimmed-off an inch from the drop-bar ends to give it a more sleek look (an idea I got from a Trek roadbike I saw).


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Just some finishing touches on my Swift: the new Kalloy stem, and I trimmed-off an inch from the drop-bar ends to give it a more sleek look (an idea I got from a Trek roadbike I saw).
Quite spiffy-looking! One thing I don't quite understand, though: it seems like you're devoted to shaving off weight on the bike wherever possible, no? Why not take off the rear brake now that you're fixed gear?

Just curious.
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Quite spiffy-looking! One thing I don't quite understand, though: it seems like you're devoted to shaving off weight on the bike wherever possible, no? Why not take off the rear brake now that you're fixed gear?

Just curious.
It's not a fixed-gear. That's my next project.
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I do have some concerns, such as: I am about 5'2" in height and I would probably want to use a Thudbuster seatpost. When I look at pictures of a Swift posted by Cosmodc, whose stated height is aboout the same, I wonder if there is enough clearance. I haven't seen postings by Cosmodc recently, but if you are still around, would you measure the clearance for me? Thudbusters need abou 144 mils. or 5 1/2".
Check your private messages. I'm inclined to agree with james_swift though.
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