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    Another update on the seatpost slipping issue - bumped into a friend last night who also has a swift. He has solved his seatpost slipping problem by getting his seatpost knurled. This makes the seatpost thicker as well as giving a more grippy surface. You don't have a lot of control over the thickness you add when knurling so you'd need to be careful the fit is loose enough before you knurl otherwise you it'll be too thick. Anyway it works for him.

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    Both my head and Google translate refused to deal with the word knurl. Could you clarify? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    Both my head and Google translate refused to deal with the word knurl. Could you clarify? Thanks.
    It's usually done on a lathe set at a very slow speed and a knurling tool is pressed against the object being turned. Here's a demo of one method:
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    @ BNB: Ok, thank you. I have a tool that is treated like that on the handle. Looks like quite rough treatment on a seatpost but if done carefully with a light hand I guess it`ll work.
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    I've not had any problems with my Swift's seat post slipping but some time ago I replaced the Q/R skewers with Allen Key bolts as they looked neater and I didn't fold the bike very often. I had second thoughts and went back to using Q/Rs and found that the seat post was a tighter fit. I think when I was using the Allen Key bolts I must have over tightened the bottom one a little thus narrowing the the seat tube a fraction. The seat post is now a very neat fit and takes some jiggling to pull out of the frame - not much of a problem. I've checked the frame with a magnifying glass to make sure I haven't damaged the bolt holes or stressed the area around the seat tubes but all looks well. Maybe using a normal bolt instead of the Q/R may solve your problem - but be careful!

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    Thanks for the advice. I considered using allen key bolts just to add a little theft resistance, but this might be another worthwhile use for them. Couple of other questions:

    1. Has anyone had any success attaching a front basket of the Wald variety? I know this'll fix the handlebars to the frame, but that's fine if it can be done.

    2. Is it all all possible to attach a chainguard (sort of like this: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...guard-970.html) to a swift? Chainstays too short? Interfere with the fold?

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    Love the "Knurling Video". Horrible music but great to see. You can also shim any seat post with a beer can, though with the Swift, a light knurling makes more sense. If the post is slipping, is it an aftermarket post? Otherwise I would say the bolts are not tight enough, the factory post should not be slipping at all.

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    Some recent pictures of my Swift now sporting a 56T main chain ring and guard.



    I know it is a shame, but I have covered the name sticker/transfers with gaffa tape to make it less attractive when I lock it up.



    If anyone is interested the 56T main ring is a Stronglight Zicral. 56T guards are harder to source though I got one from Taiwan via ebay.

    As stated previously, with the larger 512mm circumference Big Apples this lifts the gearing from a stock 36"-92" up to 40"-102"

    In flat Cambridge this means I rarely spin out above 7th and if going down a hill the extra 8th (102") makes it quick at a relaxing cadence

    The whole change of ring/guard was simple plug and play. Oh except I could do with another link or two in the chain for 1st gear, though as I rarely get down to 1st I will wait till the stock chain wears out before I purchase a new one with a few extra links.

    PS my Brompton luggage mount fit is on hold whilst I think about the design a little longer. For now I am using the Klickfix adapter which works but puts all the weight on the steering. For my main commute I use the rear mount anyway, but it would still be nice to have the Brompton frame mount on the front for my local grocery shopping trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimon View Post


    PS my Brompton luggage mount fit is on hold whilst I think about the design a little longer. For now I am using the Klickfix adapter which works but puts all the weight on the steering. For my main commute I use the rear mount anyway, but it would still be nice to have the Brompton frame mount on the front for my local grocery shopping trips.

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    Here is a Clickfix option: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7265463@N08/2835378585/ Brompton-like bagframe with clickfix fittings.

    I am thinking about the same myself. Once again I am back to using a Brompton luggageblock instead of the lugagetruss/clickfix options.

    Problem is the aluminium of course, and that the small metal bracket that has to be copyed is so small so I am not willing to trust epoxy to hold it in place. I am thinking about drilling trough the headtube and inserting T-nuts from the innside of the headtube. I would epoxy them in place and make sure the flange on the T-nuts have the same curve as the headtube. Also playing with the idea of using 6mm screws like Dahon for strength. Thoughts? (May not be the right thread for such discussions).
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    Here is a Clickfix option: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7265463@N08/2835378585/ Brompton-like bagframe with clickfix fittings.

    I am thinking about the same myself. Once again I am back to using a Brompton luggageblock instead of the lugagetruss/clickfix options.

    Problem is the aluminium of course, and that the small metal bracket that has to be copyed is so small so I am not willing to trust epoxy to hold it in place. I am thinking about drilling trough the headtube and inserting T-nuts from the innside of the headtube. I would epoxy them in place and make sure the flange on the T-nuts have the same curve as the headtube. Also playing with the idea of using 6mm screws like Dahon for strength. Thoughts? (May not be the right thread for such discussions).
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    Its not so much I want to use Brompton luggage with Klickfix fittings, more that I want to put the fitting on the head tube rather than all the weight on the steering. As per your other thread badmother, I guess I could get the Brompton lug welded onto the Swift head tube though its aluminum.

    This was my previous posts about trying to do it.

    I have kinda cracked it using a U bolt, though it means drilling and fixing one self tapping screw into the head tube to stop it turning which I couldn't bring myself to do to my lovely new frame lol

    PS that Spanish folder looks interesting, not come across it before ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimon View Post
    Its not so much I want to use Brompton luggage with Klickfix fittings, more that I want to put the fitting on the head tube rather than all the weight on the steering. As per your other thread badmother, I guess I could get the Brompton lug welded onto the Swift head tube though its aluminum.

    This was my previous posts about trying to do it.

    I have kinda cracked it using a U bolt, though it means drilling and fixing one self tapping screw into the head tube to stop it turning which I couldn't bring myself to do to my lovely new frame lol

    PS that Spanish folder looks interesting, not come across it before ?

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    As you may know already luggage and luggage solutions is something I like to play with. I`ll post a reply and some questions to you in that other post of mine (that you linked to) later today. Best not to polute this thread with too much luggage. I recived a clickfix basket last night and have plans to post pix today.
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    Thanks Badmother. Again I posted a pic of my Klickfix basket that I use with this bike in this post.

    It works, though as I said sits on and effects the steering. I much prefer mounts on the frame like the Brompton/Dahon solution.

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    Just noticed that the Swift thread had dropped to the third page of this forum! This post should bring it back to where it belongs.

    Earlier posts have discussed the problems of fitting a water bottle to the Swift. I have offered several solutions and now have another. I finally managed to obtain a Twofish bottle cage from Evans Cycles here in the UK. The Twofish has been available in the USA for some time but postage rates have made it far too expensive to ship over the Atlantic. Well done Evans for importing them!

    The cage is held in place by a strong Velcro type strap and has a flexible rubber cushion to prevent it slipping down the frame. The strap is long enough to wrap around huge diameter pipes! The cage is easy to position on the seat post or stem riser and the strap is long enough to enable the cage to lie horizontally along the main frame tube. I'm not sure how secure the bottle or its contents would be in that position but it gives another option. Removing the bottle cage takes only seconds so will not interfere with the fold of the bike.

    I don't have any photo's yet but will take some on my next ride.

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    Further to my posting about a bottle cage for the Swift. I have been able to take a couple of photo's of the Twofish bottle cage in place on the bike.

    As you can see from the shot of the cage on the seat tube the Twofish (in the UK Evans market it as the BLogic Q/R Bottle Cage) comes with a long length of Velcro strap - probably long enough for a catwalk model to wear around her waist! This length does also mean the cage can be mounted along the Swift's main frame tube. As I said in my last post, I'm not sure how secure the bottle would be - or its contents - in that position. I'm sure we've all had leaky bottle caps with the bottles upright!

    I have not had the chance to use it in anger yet but it does feel very secure in either position so may be the perfect solution to mounting drinks on a folder.
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    I have that Twofish velcro cage, and find that I can't get it as secure as I'd like. Mounted on the top tube or the front of the seatpost, there's enough give that the bottle both rotates around the tube and twists side-to-side (i.e., doesn't stay parallel to the tube), such that it gets in the way of my legs. Mounted behind the seatpost works okay, though, and that's been my go-to solution so far for carrying two bottles (along with a cage mounted to the holes in the steering riser).

    I have one of these on order from Amazon: http://www.minourausa.com/english/ac.../bh100m-e.html. It's a quick-release clamp for 28-35mm tubes.

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    Can any of you Xootr folks make an educated guess as to whether a front child seat, such as an Ibert, might work on a Swift? I would think that the steerer tube could maybe handle the weight, but I don't have a Swift yet so don't really know. Would such a seat be likely to get in the way of your knees more on this bike than any other? I know a trailer is an option, but am still thinking of a front seat. Thanks!

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    waxnomadic: I don't think it will work - your legs won't have enough room. The Swift is a size medium. 55cm top tube.

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    I managed to get out for a short ride today with the Twofish bottle cage attached to the seat tube. All worked well - the cage (and bottle) stayed secure. I do have a quick release rear mudguard (Topeak) fitted and the rear of the bottle cage was resting on the Q/R so that may have provided extra security on the seat post.

    The bottle did not interfere with my pedaling (my lack of fitness did!) and the whole system worked well. I don't drink while on the move and always stop to take a sip of liquid so do not know if it would be easy to access the bottle while in the saddle. I tucked the long strap of Velcro behind the bottle but may cut it shorter once I'm sure where I want the cage to sit.
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    I re-fitted my rack and AGU rack top bag to my Swift today and swung the Twofish bottle cage round to the rear of the seatpost. It fits in the gap very well and the frame "lugs" that take the top Q/R provide an anti-twist platform to stop the cage moving. I may use a strong elastic band or spare Velcro strap to hold the bottle in the cage and prevent it from bouncing out on the UK's pot holed roads. I like the open frame of the Swift and moving the bottle cage behind the seat gives an uncluttered appearance. The rack top bag shelters the bottle from road grime thrown up by the rear wheel.
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    I tried this out yesterday with no problems. Went for a 4 mile trial ride and it worked better than several other bikes I have used. I had very slight knee interference but it was better than most bikes. I could have raised the seat a little to eliminate it, but my son is just about to outgrow the Ibert and is too tall to raise it much more. As a data point I am 6'1 and my swift is set up as a single speed with drop bars. I will try to get a picture up later.

    Quote Originally Posted by waxnomadic View Post
    Can any of you Xootr folks make an educated guess as to whether a front child seat, such as an Ibert, might work on a Swift? I would think that the steerer tube could maybe handle the weight, but I don't have a Swift yet so don't really know. Would such a seat be likely to get in the way of your knees more on this bike than any other? I know a trailer is an option, but am still thinking of a front seat. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgsbikes View Post
    I tried this out yesterday with no problems. Went for a 4 mile trial ride and it worked better than several other bikes I have used. I had very slight knee interference but it was better than most bikes. I could have raised the seat a little to eliminate it, but my son is just about to outgrow the Ibert and is too tall to raise it much more. As a data point I am 6'1 and my swift is set up as a single speed with drop bars. I will try to get a picture up later.
    I would appreciate some pictures! I had just about written off the Xootr for this application but now may reconsider. I'm looking for a more family-oriented option to my current road bike and would like to go with a folder, if possible. We actually have a Downtube Nova, too, but the wife usually rides it and I don't think I'd trust the steerer tube on that one with such precious cargo.

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    Drop the bars!

    I fitted my Swift with drop bars some time ago and have been reasonably pleased with the result. It did mean having to relocate the twistgrip shifter as drop bars have a bigger outside diameter than do flat bars. If you trawl back through this forum you will see that I used a 'T' bar which bolted to the stem riser just below the handlebars to house the gear selector. This has worked but it did mean having to move my right hand away from the 'bars to change gear. This was not a big problem but I wanted something simpler.

    A few years ago you could buy 'bar ends that converted flat bars into drops. Sadly the firm that produced them went out of business. However they are back! SJS Cycles in the UK stock them so I took the plunge and bought a pair. Please excuse the photo's as they were taken in my back yard as I was fitting the 'bar ends and there is a bit of a cluttered background.

    I used a pair of flat bars that I had previously fitted to the Swift. One thing to note is that although the flat bars will allow the twistgrip to slide on, the bars do have a bulge in the middle to give them a snug fit into a stem. This bulge gradually tapers towards the centre of the bars so the twistgrip will only slide so far towards the stem.

    I attached the bar ends to the bars and positioned them so that they were the right width and angle for my style of riding. Only then did I cut the bars to length.

    I used a pair of Tektro brake levers - designed to work with 'V' brakes - and positioned them on the bends. Note that the bar ends are the same diameter as the drops so the brake hoods are not a flush fit.

    Once things were in place I attached the cables and 'bar tape.

    I think the assembly looks good and gets rid of excess ironware to house the twistgrip. As I mentioned, the drops are a smaller diameter than standard drop 'bars so the brake hoods do not sit flush with the tape. I will see how things go and may put another layer of tape on to add a bit of padding.

    I haven't had the chance to try the new arrangement out yet but I hope to get out for a ride later this week and shall report back!
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    Bottle in a bag!

    If you are trying to find somewhere to house a water bottle and carry your jacket etc on your Swift you may like the seat bag by Axiom. It's not the biggest bag but it will hold much of what you will need for a day ride - including a bottle.

    The bag sits neatly behind the seat (using Velcro straps) and suits the Swift as it hugs the long seat tube. I use a 750ml bottle which is held securely in the mesh pocket. There is a tab from which to hang a rear light but it is not really usable with the bottle in place! A standard 500ml bottle should work OK.

    The main compartment holds my waterproof jacket and lightweight cycle lock and the side pockets are stuffed with two inner tubes, puncture outfit, tyre levers and multi tool. There is not much room for anything else. It looks neat and solves the bottle carrying issue of the Swift.
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    Drop the bars pt 2!

    Took a nice ride in the sunshine today to try out the new drop bar ends. In the main I was pleased with them. Any problems were caused by the straight bars and my choice of 'bar tape. I think the 'bar ends look good and certainly provide a variety of hand positions. Their shape is ergonomic and their shallow drop is not too much of a shock when "getting down". I do think that placing the Allen bolt on the top of the 'bar ends is a little odd. Putting the bolt underneath would look better and prevent rain water from sitting in there and causing rust.

    The 17 mile ride went well but there were some issues to confront. As I mentioned in part one, the centre bulge in the 'bars intrudes some way either side of the stem area and this does restrict just where you can place the twistgrip. I just had room for my right hand but I found that half of my palm was on the 'bar and half on the twistgrip. The difference in the diameter of the two surfaces made for a slightly uncomfortable feel. My choice of 'bar tape was not a good one. I think it looked good but it provided very little padding and was quite slippy to hold. I found my hands sliding about and my grip was not secure. Even wearing padded cycling mitts I could feel the bake cables through the tape and the smaller diameter 'bars made things worse.

    Back home I installed another layer of tape (Specialized Phatt) over the one already fitted and this has really improved comfort and grip. There are actually three layers of tape next to the twistgrip (which has cured the height difference) and I ran a piece of tape (under the final wrap) along the length of brake cable under the left side of the bars to cushion that side of things.

    I think all should be well now. I am keeping an eye open for some straight bars that have a shorter stretch of bulge in them so I can move the twistgrip closer to the stem. This is something worth keeping in mind if you are planning to try these 'bar ends on your Swift. All in all I like them and I think the bike looks better with them in place.

    UPDATE

    I found a set of flat bars with a shorter length of bulge in them at SJS Cycles in the UK. They are made to allow a gripshift, 'bar grips, brakes and 'bar ends to be fitted without causing cramped conditions for the hands. They work really well as I have been able to move the gear shift very close to the stem and can now place my right hand comfortably on the bars without touching the gripshift.

    The 'bars are [B]Thorn AL7075 Narrow Flat MkII handlebars - 25.4 mm Clamp[B]. I'll give more details and photos in a future post.
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